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Fashionable Jorts posted:That's just about every plot-heavy videogame. The "best" videogame stories to have ever been written would be 7/10 books or good-but-forgotten movies. Starting to think they should cut 90% of the story from Metal Gear Solid games and just put that poo poo into a novel for people who care about that poo poo (me)
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PinheadSlim posted:Starting to think they should cut 90% of the story from Metal Gear Solid games and just put that poo poo into a novel for people who care about that poo poo (me) Hideo Kojima really should figure out that he can just make a movie instead of mildly interactive cutscenes. I would actually love a MGS miniseries.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:35
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Mgs2 is one of the few games to tell a story that can only be told as a game. All of the S3 stuff (Solid Snake Simulation, not the actual S3 which was way less interesting) was absolutely brilliant and wouldn't work as a movie or a book, and I think as a narrative construct is maybe the peak of video game writing so far. Someone will likely surpass it within the next 10 years but I can't imagine a AAA title doing something that creative or risky. I'm also super glad we have post mgs2 games in the series but none of them ever reached those heights again in terms of how they comment on the series as a whole. Like I'll replay 3, 5, and Peace Walker more times than I'll revisit 2, but 2 is an absolute masterpiece and if the series had ended there it would be remembered as each game being a huge leap forward in terms of the stories you can tell in a game. SoR Blaze fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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Jun 24, 2020 04:45
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there's great stories that fit the medium (NieR Automata, Spec Ops, MGS, apparently Death Stranding and The Witcher) but anything that's positioned as "CINEMATIC" is dubious.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:47
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Adding story to video games is cool and good when done well, which rarely ever happens but when it does it's great. I don't mind there being a million bad games so long as there are a few good ones getting made
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Jun 24, 2020 04:50
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well why not posted:there's great stories that fit the medium (NieR Automata, Spec Ops, MGS, apparently Death Stranding and The Witcher) but anything that's positioned as "CINEMATIC" is dubious. Having replayed MGS1 a year and a half ago, what really stands out is the camera angles. Comparing how each moment of that game looks compared to Spyro the Dragon or Ocarina of Time really shows that it outshone its contemporaries in what you could do with camera angles alone. But yeah cinematic as a buzzword has really been poison for the medium since around 2003 or whenever it started being applied frequently
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Jun 24, 2020 04:51
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Ruffian Price posted:
doomrpg looked suspiciously like the rpg i wrote in ti-basic on a ti-85 while not paying attention in calc class in high school - it filled literally the entire free area of any given ti-85.
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Jun 24, 2020 05:23
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FF7 had a great story when I was 11
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Shibawanko posted:i think zeropunctuation is pretty annoying but he did have one very good point that i always remembered: the original demons in doom have very distinct facial expressions that tell you something about them on sight (the baron of hell is arrogant, the cacodemon is gluttonous, the imp is pissed etc) which were replaced with generic evil horn faces in the later game, that's how a videogame story should work, just little visual or unconscious cues that don't interrupt the gameplay. Duke 3d has exactly the correct amount of story. you see a spaceship blow up, duke says "drat those aliens are going to PAY for busting up my ride!" and he loads a gun. a moment later you are making some aliens pay for busting up your ride.
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Jun 24, 2020 05:57
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I lived the level design in Duke 3d a lot.
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Jun 24, 2020 05:59
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vaginite posted:This isn't an opinion on it either but it's kind of funny in a jarring way to me how TLOU is this story about loss and suffering, and people doing morally grey things in an amoral world where survival is number 1 and all of the damage it causes, and cycles of violence and people trying to break that cycle, and all of these other high brow themes where the characters have to bear the weight of the violence they commit. Then in the game parts you just indiscriminately murder 100s of nameless people. I feel like this was about half of games in the 00s to early 10s
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I feel like this was about half of games in the 00s to early 10s and why can't you just revive aeris
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Jun 24, 2020 07:24
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I do like in Metal Gear Rising that the antagonists try to pull that on Raiden and it works for a little bit but then he eventually responds by going 'It's time for Jack... to let 'er RIP!'  And that unlocks sicko mode for the rest of the game
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Jun 24, 2020 07:30
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I never played FFVIII and I started playing it recently and got like twenty minutes in and turned it off. I'm not gonna learn that stupid rear end battle system, foh.
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Jun 24, 2020 07:34
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I'd just like to say before it's all over that the Witcher 3 is really a bad, bad video game
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Jun 24, 2020 07:40
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:I'd just like to say before it's all over that the Witcher 3 is really a bad, bad video game Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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Jun 24, 2020 07:41
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:I'd just like to say before it's all over that the Witcher 3 is really a bad, bad video game Right?
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:I'd just like to say before it's all over that the Witcher 3 is really a bad, bad video game is it worse than Elder Scrolls, though
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Jun 24, 2020 07:44
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Yes, it is.
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Jun 24, 2020 07:48
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Call of duty should sell the single player campaigns for cheap separately. I've never played call of duty online, but I used to like the single player campaigns. Cod 2 had a great one outside of the brigade box and the top of the hill bunker mission, mw is a classic, mw2 was fun. Ghosts kind of sucked but I got it for free and traded it in for store credit immediately after I finished it. I think I played blops and it was ok. I'm disappointed that world at war is still so expensive.
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vaginite posted:This isn't an opinion on it either but it's kind of funny in a jarring way to me how TLOU is this story about loss and suffering, and people doing morally grey things in an amoral world where survival is number 1 and all of the damage it causes, and cycles of violence and people trying to break that cycle, and all of these other high brow themes where the characters have to bear the weight of the violence they commit. Then in the game parts you just indiscriminately murder 100s of nameless people. This is kind of why I forgot about the "shocking part that will question your thoughts about war" of Modern Warfare where you play as a child who has to fight their way in a warzone. It was just goofier than I imagine they intended because it was an FPS where the camera was at knee level and I couldn't get over that one detail. I felt like a murderous dwarf.. Games that try to be all morally ambiguous miss the mark like bad drama movies tend to do. What I'm trying to say is that I liked Call of Duty when you did over-the-top cinematic poo poo like drive pick-up trucks through the London Underground like a bad 24 episode.
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games are inherently comical and don't do drama very well, the only way to address a serious issue in a game is through black humor
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I think Magic online is better than Magic arena, and I'd much rather watch twitch streams of Magic online than of Magic Arena.
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Majorian posted:I never played FFVIII and I started playing it recently and got like twenty minutes in and turned it off. I'm not gonna learn that stupid rear end battle system, foh. oh you don't actually have to learn anything at all. press circle to cancel the menu until you get limit break, then press X. later, when you get rinoa, only teach angelo invincible moon and none of her other limit breaks. congrats, you are literally invincible and can beat any boss in the game.
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Justin Godscock posted:This is kind of why I forgot about the "shocking part that will question your thoughts about war" of Modern Warfare where you play as a child who has to fight their way in a warzone. It was just goofier than I imagine they intended because it was an FPS where the camera was at knee level and I couldn't get over that one detail. I felt like a murderous dwarf.. Games that try to be all morally ambiguous miss the mark like bad drama movies tend to do. I loved being a kid just wrecking grown men.
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!Klams posted:I think Magic online is better than Magic arena, and I'd much rather watch twitch streams of Magic online than of Magic Arena. MtG Forge is better than both of those combined. its free, the cards are free, online play, Shandalar mode. its got it all https://www.slightlymagic.net/wiki/Forge
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Rutibex posted:MtG Forge is better than both of those combined. its free, the cards are free, online play, Shandalar mode. its got it all Can I do cube drafts? Oh my, I can, ok, yep. !Klams fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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!Klams posted:Can I do cube drafts? you sure can! the drafting AI will also use some kind of sorcery to make decks using your custom cube
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Jun 24, 2020 14:14
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The best Blizzard game is Hearthstone, and Hearthstone sucks poo poo through a straw.
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Rutibex posted:you sure can! the drafting AI will also use some kind of sorcery to make decks using your custom cube Downloading high quality card images now! Ok, yeah, this is a massive game changer, thanks!  !
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QuarkJets posted:The best Blizzard game is Hearthstone, and Hearthstone sucks poo poo through a straw. I will never understand how people keep mistaking this for the game opinion bandwagon thread.
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Mass Effect 3's ending was okay.
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I can't really understand how people have fetishes for Super Mario Bro's characters and everyone wants to gently caress Sonic the Hedgehog, especially now there's a new movie about him just released, when the best side scroller at the time was Turrican 2 by a country mile. Why is no one trying to gently caress a chibi star-made-of-blades-that-rolls-around-dropping-bombs? Or drawing a weirdly infantalised shadow-giant-whos-hand-you-can-stand-on? Where's all the cyber-piranha porn wait don't actually answer that one I bet there's loads. Anyway the point isn't the porn, just that Turrican 2 was better than those shite games but no one ever talks about it and it seems like everyone loves those other games so much they literally want to gently caress them. It's probably more comparable to Metroid, I guess. WHICH IT ALSO SHITS ON.
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:oh you don't actually have to learn anything at all. press circle to cancel the menu until you get limit break, then press X. later, when you get rinoa, only teach angelo invincible moon and none of her other limit breaks. congrats, you are literally invincible and can beat any boss in the game. Thank you, I might actually do this. Oh, another unpopular game opinion: FFX-2, while a terrible game on many levels, had a really good jobs system, just with a bad name.
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Majorian posted:Thank you, I might actually do this. It is spelled Dresssphere not Dressphere, loving fight me about it.
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jokes posted:It is spelled Dresssphere not Dressphere, loving fight me about it. Dressspspsssspheresss. You're only saying it right if you cover the person you're talking to in spit. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, per se, but - as much as I greatly, GREATLY enjoyed "Hollow Knight," I don't feel the need to actually beat it. It doesn't help that I'm apparently just simply not good enough to beat Radiance, but I kind of feel like I've gotten all the enjoyment out of it that I can. Also I spoiled the ending for myself on youtube and yeah, pretty simple, brief ending, as expected. Yes, I managed to beat the Colosseum of Fools, no, I didn't manage to beat Nightmare King Grimm.
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Well if this forums hosed ill miss this thread the most. Its far more cathartic reading negative game opinions than hearing someone say they played Dragon quest for 147 hours
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jokes posted:It is spelled Dresssphere not Dressphere, loving fight me about it. Drethsphere
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Majorian posted:I never played FFVIII and I started playing it recently and got like twenty minutes in and turned it off. I'm not gonna learn that stupid rear end battle system, foh. the battle system is pretty basic but the menu system is... Basically you Equip Spells instead of armor, weapons, and accessories. The waifus you have equipped determine which stats you're permitted to equip spells to, and you usually have to manually select abilities called Str-J or Spd-J to learn and master in order to unlock the equipment slots. It's literally that simple. the game is extremely incapable of explaining this to you.
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