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fridge corn posted:I would have let them kill ellie if I was given the choice
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sure glad ellie could survive so that she could murder a bunch of people and end up miserable. what an engaging and entertaining story
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Jun 24, 2020 04:14
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JBP posted:It sounds like the state of some things change depending on what you do while playing. Nothing really impactful of course but stuff like the body bags. I'd be interested to see if there were more things like that, but it's kind of the only situation that springs to mind. and i really like stuff like that, wish they had done more with it. the story in this is just so loving bleak and not in a good way (imo). like, theres a version of this that could have allowed for stealthing every encounter and not killing any humans and perhaps getting different people to interact with or something like that. hell, keep the revenge tale the same i don't care. its not how naughty dog makes games and thats fine. i just really didnt like how they wrote the story and the gameplay was, to me, debilitating as gently caress and the last ten hours or so i only wanted it to wrap things up.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:14
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Onmi posted:The issue with the venn diagram is it always comes with the also overlapping circle of "And it only looks this good because of Naughty Dogs horrific culture that chews up and spits out developers like meat to the slaughter house." amen we need way more games press people focusing on this instead of sucking off every dev they get in a room with.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:15
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Regardless of the number who disagree, this game will have more people consider it among the best games ever released than anything else that comes out this year other than maybe Cyberpunk the demons souls remake might come out this year
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Jun 24, 2020 04:17
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Isn't the body bag scene way too early for Ellie's murder rampage anyway?
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Jun 24, 2020 04:23
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Could've been Tommy's pre-rampage, and/or seraphite victims setting the stage for Isaac's attack
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Jun 24, 2020 04:48
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Tlou2 is the only video game that has managed to make me empathise with a character who is essentially an IDF soldier, by having her defect to save refugees so that sure is something
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Jun 24, 2020 05:02
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Tlou2 is the only video game that has managed to make me empathise with a character who is essentially an IDF soldier, by having her defect to save refugees so that sure is something And Tetris is the only game that made me question the materialist dialetics of our western capitalist paradigm, but I think that says more about me than the game.
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Jun 24, 2020 05:19
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Sir Tonk posted:amen Let's not bring that up again
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Jun 24, 2020 05:40
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It’s starting to drive me nuts that whenever there’s a tweet about trans stuff in this game, whatever the context, at least 2-3 people are piping up to say “actually Abby isn’t trans she’s just a masculine-looking woman” Stop trying to enter the discourse when you have no idea what happens in the loving game lmao
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Jun 24, 2020 05:42
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Escobarbarian posted:It’s starting to drive me nuts that whenever there’s a tweet about trans stuff in this game, whatever the context, at least 2-3 people are piping up to say “actually Abby isn’t trans she’s just a masculine-looking woman” I don't think I've ever seen so many people commenting on or critiquing a game when they don't have a basic understanding of who the characters are or what happens in it.
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Jun 24, 2020 06:05
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JBP posted:I don't think I've ever seen so many people commenting on or critiquing a game when they don't have a basic understanding of who the characters are or what happens in it. I have never seen more hot takes on piece of popular art from people who haven't experienced it than this game
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Jun 24, 2020 06:09
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JBP posted:I don't think I've ever seen so many people commenting on or critiquing a game when they don't have a basic understanding of who the characters are or what happens in it. It says a lot about people's perception of gender when they think Abby must be the trans character everyone is talking about. The funniest thing about the whole situation is that frankly the game isn't really very good (I didn't finish it) but some people take a criticism of the game as a criticism of the "social justice agenda" or whatever the chuds are on about. Sometimes a thing is just bad!
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Jun 24, 2020 06:15
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Peachfart posted:sure glad ellie could survive so that she could murder a bunch of people and end up miserable. what an engaging and entertaining story This, but earnestly.
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Jun 24, 2020 06:55
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I honestly love how pointless the story turns out to be overall. Really fits the themes perfectly for it to all be so loving futile.
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Jun 24, 2020 07:11
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Escobarbarian posted:I honestly love how pointless the story turns out to be overall. Really fits the themes perfectly for it to all be so loving futile. Lack of closure + "winning" =/= pointless The real treasure is the friends we lost along the way
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Jun 24, 2020 07:14
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When I saw Sicario there was an old, white couple shuffling out of the screening after me and I heard the husband turn to the wife and say, 'Well, that wasn't very nice'.
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Jun 24, 2020 07:32
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The virgin Ellie and the Chad Abby
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Jun 24, 2020 08:36
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I didn't pay attention to Abby's scenes too closely, did the game ever explained why Abby bulk up? Being a soldier for an awful military organization doesn't seem enough reason. Manny is chill.
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Jun 24, 2020 09:14
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What's with the Space Needle being on an island?
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Jun 24, 2020 09:22
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Lack of closure + "winning" =/= pointless It would've been 10x better if you get to choose to kill/release Abby at that moment but aside from some minor interactions literally nothing else about the ending changed. That would've done way more to push the idea they kept talking about with watching the lynching and wanting to inflict pain on people because then the player actually got to choose, like all those other times they murdered people throughout the game.
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Jun 24, 2020 09:22
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stephenthinkpad posted:I didn't pay attention to Abby's scenes too closely, did the game ever explained why Abby bulk up? Being a soldier for an awful military organization doesn't seem enough reason. Manny is chill. Presumably because her dad got killed by a psychotic road warrior.
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Jun 24, 2020 09:27
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pentyne posted:It would've been 10x better if you get to choose to kill/release Abby at that moment but aside from some minor interactions literally nothing else about the ending changed. That would've done way more to push the idea they kept talking about with watching the lynching and wanting to inflict pain on people because then the player actually got to choose, like all those other times they murdered people throughout the game. I think a big factor in her choice is the presence of Lev there. I don't think Ellie would have been so merciful without Lev. I think she understands that Abby is to Lev what Joel was to her when she was younger. The goodness to her is not perpetuate that loss I.e the mercy is not so much to Abby as it is to Lev "take him"
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Jun 24, 2020 09:28
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stephenthinkpad posted:I didn't pay attention to Abby's scenes too closely, did the game ever explained why Abby bulk up? Being a soldier for an awful military organization doesn't seem enough reason. Manny is chill. -Training for revenge - Training for military - dorm is literally next to the gym - lifting is fun and good - Abby is chad - thematic reason 1 abby comes from a place of order with her surgeon father and growing up in an organisation dedicated to bringing a new order to the post apolaypse first the fireflies and now the WLF and construction of the body is the logical extension of that - thematic reason 2 so they can show her withered away at the end for a visual metaphor of how she's no longer the icon Ellie has in her mind marked for revenge
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Jun 24, 2020 09:31
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I think a big factor in her choice is the presence of Lev there. I don't think Ellie would have been so merciful without Lev. I think she understands that Abby is to Lev what Joel was to her when she was younger. The goodness to her is not perpetuate that loss which, letting the player choose, could have minimal effect on the ending other then how it makes the player feel. it makes the experience personal to the player in a way tv movies and books can't ever match.
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Jun 24, 2020 09:36
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Ellie should have made it even by drowning Lev instead then boating away, setting up TLOU3 where it's the same poo poo again but Abby is ten times bigger and attacks Jackson with an army of infected footsoldiers.
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Jun 24, 2020 09:40
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pentyne posted:the experience personal to the player in a way tv movies and books can't ever match. This describes all video games by definition.
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Jun 24, 2020 09:41
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pentyne posted:which, letting the player choose, could have minimal effect on the ending other then how it makes the player feel. it makes the experience personal to the player in a way tv movies and books can't ever match. I understand your POV but it's the exact same debate people had about the first game. In my mind neither game would have benefited from a choice at the end and having the player execute the actions of a character they might not agree with is a unique and worthwhile experience of the medium as well and is still "interactive" even if not choice based
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Jun 24, 2020 09:43
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I understand your POV but it's the exact same debate people had about the first game. In my mind neither game would have benefited from a choice at the end and having the player execute the actions of a character they might not agree with is a unique and worthwhile experience of the medium as well and is still "interactive" even if not choice based e: To elaborate, a cutscene QTE has you "interactively" participate in a scripted sequence of events that should, by all rights, have gone down exactly the same way whether you did anything or not. Your actual influence on what happens in minimal and mostly you're just made to perform periodic skill checks before you're allowed to see the next part of it. I think it's fair to criticize that, because it's everything that is worst about video games as a storytelling medium. It doesn't really do anything to leverage their strengths at all. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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Jun 24, 2020 09:50
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At a basic core the experience of "being" a character leads to a different relationship and empathy with a character than novels and film. I think this is prima facie true and doesn't need to be proven but if you disagree it is what it is
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Jun 24, 2020 10:05
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:At a basic core the experience of "being" a character leads to a different relationship and empathy with a character than novels and film. I think this is prima facie true and doesn't need to be proven but if you disagree it is what it is 
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Jun 24, 2020 10:08
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Cardiovorax posted:I'd argue that could say the same thing about QTEs, and who really likes those all that much? TLOU 1 still had this issue which others brought up, that the scripted sequences basically had no danger, it's entirely reliant on you being caught up in the excitement of it.
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Jun 24, 2020 10:14
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pentyne posted:which, letting the player choose, could have minimal effect on the ending other then how it makes the player feel. it makes the experience personal to the player in a way tv movies and books can't ever match. I am more upset that the game made me play as Abby in first Abby/Ellie fight.
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Jun 24, 2020 10:45
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stephenthinkpad posted:I am more upset that the game made me play as Abby in first Abby/Ellie fight. I think that did a really good job of conveying how terrifying being an NPC being attacked by a video game player character would be Its interesting how the end fight is effectively the same end non-boss fight as the fight at the end of uncharted 4 only instead of two coolboy badasses (drake and Jake gyllenhall from prisoners) on a burning structure we have two broken sad women fighting on a beach. I wonder if blade runner 2049 was an influence But really, U4 and Tlou2 were just cribbing from the end fight in mgs4
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Jun 24, 2020 13:00
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I was laughing at the end of the game because all I could see was ocelot and snake punching the poo poo out of each other
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Jun 24, 2020 13:06
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Remember in tlou2 that one weird vehicle section where you got infinite ammo? That felt so much like a UC section
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Jun 24, 2020 13:07
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That fight was so good because I didn't want to kill him but I didn't want to let him down either, like Grey Fox and the Boss
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Jun 24, 2020 13:08
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Firstborn posted:Remember in tlou2 that one weird vehicle section where you got infinite ammo? That felt so much like a UC section I loved those bits. I'm going to play NG+ with items turned way up and make that bit the entire game.
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JBP posted:I loved those bits. I'm going to play NG+ with items turned way up and make that bit the entire game. That's my plan too, gonna buy the scope asap this time and snipe everything I can
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