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Apraxin posted:yeah fair enough, i usually try not to, but the collective loving glee of these ghouls drove me over the edge a bit I appreciate that a lot, genuinely, thank you.
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Shinny posted:Any suggestions for places to send the money I freed up by cancelling my Labour membership? your local food bank
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is there anywhere on the planet that actually has a competent leftist government? genuinely contemplating moving to somewhere less poo poo, even if it's only marginally so I hear good things about New Zealand
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Yeah we can go back to the old status quo: The Conservative party exists to make sure the country gets worse. The Labour party exists to make sure the country can't get any better. Maybe that is just what it is all along, a tool to ensure all positive left-wing youth energy gets directed into the void... but hey I was ever hopeful, and I tried, and I do not regret supporting Jam Granddad.
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Me neither. It was worth a go and Corbyn will always be in my estimations But now it's time to burn it all down
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so when's the next leadership election? the one hope I have is that this will make people mad enough to vote this time (and a good firebrand candidate who's ready for a fight would be good, RLB's great but it wasn't a high energy campaign, especially coming off the back of the GE)
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weird that this is the first thing he's actually managed to make a decision on
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Shinny posted:Any suggestions for places to send the money I freed up by cancelling my Labour membership? drugs or booze?
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baka kaba posted:so when's the next leadership election? the one hope I have is that this will make people mad enough to vote this time (and a good firebrand candidate who's ready for a fight would be good, RLB's great but it wasn't a high energy campaign, especially coming off the back of the GE) probably after the next GE in 2024, and lol if you think people will still remember this then
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Julio Cruz posted:is there anywhere on the planet that actually has a competent leftist government? Nope
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baka kaba posted:so when's the next leadership election? the one hope I have is that this will make people mad enough to vote this time (and a good firebrand candidate who's ready for a fight would be good, RLB's great but it wasn't a high energy campaign, especially coming off the back of the GE) Why would there be another leadership election when the leader isn't left wing?
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OwlFancier posted:I appreciate that a lot, genuinely, thank you. the tory guy lives in the north-east now, went door to door last year organizing against laura pidcock. when the election results came in, his posts were like 'oh my god we actually did it, i can't believe it, i'm so happy!'. meanwhile the labour guys were (more or less literally) 'hoorah, we're free of that rancid little poo poo pidcock, thank god, now a push to finish them off and we can start moving the party back in the right direction'. can't express how much i hate the CLP, they've done more to strangle electorally viable leftism in the UK than Boris can dream of
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It's worth remembering that, apart from the global pandemic, it has been this bad before. It can get better. What is unlikely now is things getting better before we're OAP's. So yeah, on a purely selfish level this is total poo poo. But everything is still to fight for. What I will say is, jealous as I am, if you can get out of this shithole, go. Seriously, go. edit: Depending on how much they raise the age of retirement we might still be working when things turn for the better, yay!
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forkboy84 posted:This is the first thing in Britpol to make me properly mad in months. Like even the covid mishandling all just been a detached sense of oh well, of course they are trying to kill the poor & old, drains on the economy that they are. Of course Dominic Cummings is getting away scot-free with this bollocks that's basically lead to people saying "gently caress it" about the lockdown. Same here, saw the headline and said 'What' out loud then just been muttering 'gently caress off' as I read tweets ITT cheering the decision. Absolute loving cretins. Only silver lining is that they shat the bed early enough that there's still enough time to look for alternatives and cajole them along. Barry Foster posted:Yeah People love rioting when its hot. I also heard some pretty thick coughs at my local supermarket and our area has had a relatively low rate of covid infection so far, meaning most people have yet to catch it. It's been a running joke each year since 2016 that 'things couldn't get any worse, looking forward to 2017/8/9!' but this year feels a lot more rapid in terms of spectacle, disaster and transformation. And we're only halfway through! I'd put 10p on that things are going to get weirder yet.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's worth remembering that, apart from the global pandemic, it has been this bad before. It can get better. What is unlikely now is things getting better before we're OAP's. So yeah, on a purely selfish level this is total poo poo. But everything is still to fight for. By the time we're OAPs (lol like there'll be a pension) the world will be literally burning and global civilisation will have literally collapsed, and I've never been more serious in my life than I am saying that.
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Guess I'll go back to voting Plaid. They're not the best but they do stand up for Wales and while i don't want to come across as a massive nationalist I do hate Welsh Labour. It's a pity Labour are poo poo but I know from this thread there are a lot of people doing grassroots work to try and turn the thinking of the British public away from such a conservative one and hopefully, in the long run, this will work. I do plan to try and join up with one of these groups and help out in any way I can. Also I know he works for the BBC but Huw Edwards is a good lad quote:BBC broadcaster Huw Edwards has hit back against Rhondda MP Chris Bryant after the latter bemoaned his “opining” on the subject of protecting Wales’ place names. I don't know what the gently caress English people do with their place names sometimes. I've been working in Southampton this week and saw a road called "Test Lane" it's as if the person just used the example from their "place name generator" tutorial.
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lol, the Graun's summary concludes it's a good decision by Starmer because 'The move will also allow him to appoint a new shadow education secretary, at a time when more or less the only line of attack the Conservatives have been able to run against Labour is the claim that the party has sided with the unions against parents wanting to see their children return to school soon. It wasn’t wholly true, but Long-Bailey is likely to be replaced by someone more attuned to the consumer interest than the producer interest in education.'
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justcola posted:It's been a running joke each year since 2016 that 'things couldn't get any worse, looking forward to 2017/8/9!' but this year feels a lot more rapid in terms of spectacle, disaster and transformation. And we're only halfway through! I'd put 10p on that things are going to get weirder yet. You think 2020 was bad, just wait till you see global mass extinction!
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baka kaba posted:so when's the next leadership election? the one hope I have is that this will make people mad enough to vote this time I am afraid too many quitters have quit for that to be viable now. The next test would have been conference but we don't know when that will be, because of COVID.
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Apart from everything else wrong with that quote treating education as if it has 'consumers' and 'producers' loving revolts me to the core Edit this @apraxin
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Barry Foster posted:Why would there be another leadership election when the leader isn't left wing? does the left genuinely not have the numbers to force one? I don't know what the calculus is now, but we'd need 20% of MPs to challenge, right?
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Julio Cruz posted:I hear good things about New Zealand It's a great place that I am looking forward to hopefully moving to but far from paradise They are being led by a centrist party with a popular and centre-left leader, though she isn't guaranteed an electoral win against their version of the Tories in September. Both parties have zigzagged eachother for decades accomplishing little and driving a million of their population to live abroad. There is a massive housing shortage and a stalled economy. There are some strong left policies coming out but those are because NZ Labour are in coalition with the greens, who seem generally good but get about 5% of the overall vote (in a proportional system at least), they are also in a coalition with the equivalent of ukip. If labour do win a majority they will likely ditch the coalition's and continue to fail to improve anything there And my visa is in limbo because of covid19
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There's only one place left to go where there isn't a totally poo poo government: SPACE! On the moon we can make our own poo poo government. I'm not a fan of all these new private space companies but I am a fan of going to space to escape this dead earth so guess I'll just wait for that.
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Gravity assisted injuries cost are NHS billions each week Vote leave #earthxit
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Going to shamelessly post the tweet thread from my socialist group both as a means to inform and recruit! https://twitter.com/revsoc21/status/1276184798730616833?s=20
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Jose posted:I intend to stand such that the nuke hits me in the balls Powerful Ms Adequate energies. Also lol gently caress Neo New Labour, but it's truly incredible that the one occasion Labour has done any kind of bolshie sacking and purging, along with straight up ignoring anyone saying "hang on a tick", in years, has been Starmer getting rid of the last of the left. Wish Jezza had been more like that, we could have done with some proper purging of the right. Instead we get them being overjoyed because the dastardly (moderate, gentle, compromising) left has finally been defeated.
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I wonder if this has actually had much of an impact on labour member numbers. Is there any way to find out?
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Barry Foster posted:Does your group interact in any way other than twitter? Because I'm not going on twitter l Facebook, email, telephone and Zoom if you've signed up as a member.
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baka kaba posted:does the left genuinely not have the numbers to force one? I don't know what the calculus is now, but we'd need 20% of MPs to challenge, right? If they don't they should just split the party at this point and take momentum with them. The Tories have such a huge majority that it's not like it even matters in a parliamentary sense anyway.
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If anyone else, like me, was daunted by 3000 new posts in the lowtax situation Here is a good update Obeah posted:Update for posters w/ lives just joining in. I'm sad because this community is great, besides lowtax and complicit mods/admins, I want it to continue without him anywhere near it which is possible because he has done gently caress here all for 15 years, but it is likely he'll continue on I hate discord so perhaps it's time to read books in spare time instead of awful app
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Julio Cruz posted:is there anywhere on the planet that actually has a competent leftist government? genuinely contemplating moving to somewhere less poo poo, even if it's only marginally so People on the left have been saying nice things about Kerala of late but I confess I'm not really much up on Indian politics.
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Ratjaculation posted:If anyone else, like me, was daunted by 3000 new posts in the lowtax situation Burt Sexual seems like a real piece of poo poo
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A challenger for the Labour leadership would need 20% of MPs to support a bid - since there are 202 Labour MPs and 10 Labour MEPs, this translates to 43 sponsors. It is likely that a leadership challenger from the left could find sufficient sponsors - the SCG is already 35 MPs - but there would need to be a sharper trigger for a challenge and a figure to rally around. Burgon is too contentious.
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forkboy84 posted:Nope kerala the number then goes up from there depeding on how comfortable you are with undemocratic uses of power and violence (the cuba - > estonia model)
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ronya posted:A challenger for the Labour leadership would need 20% of MPs to support a bid - since there are 202 Labour MPs and 10 Labour MEPs, this translates to 43 sponsors. It is likely that a leadership challenger from the left could find sufficient sponsors - the SCG is already 35 MPs - but there would need to be a sharper trigger for a challenge and a figure to rally around. Burgon is too contentious. On the other hand they need just 35 MPs to walk & form a new party (an independent Labour Party you could almost say) to ensure Keir Starmer doesn't get to ever be PM.
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