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forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

gh0stpinballa posted:

please stop giving your money and time to this party

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:19

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# ? May 27, 2024 15:30

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

proposing a party motion that we start building hundreds of pillboxes around the CLP hq

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:19

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

OwlFancier posted:

It is an absolutely incredible game, there's a thread for it in games, it's hard to describe honestly how good it is, it updates about once a year and it's not on steam but every edition is super stable and adds some awesome new features. And there are so many mods for it.

Wholeheartedly recommend it if you like anything about the look of it. It's got a whole campaign mode with a strategic layer like mount and blade too.

Sorry, I would take this to PMs if you had them, but just wanted to say thanks for recommending this!

It's sucked up the last few days and I now have my own little colony

It's like a more fleshed out version of https://endless-sky.github.io/ (which is open source and also on Steam for free) which I also enjoyed.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:21

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Prince John posted:

Sorry, I would take this to PMs if you had them, but just wanted to say thanks for recommending this!

It's sucked up the last few days and I now have my own little colony It's like a more fleshed out version of https://endless-sky.github.io/ (which is open source and also on Steam for free) which I also enjoyed.

I am very glad you are enjoying it! Glad to feel like I did something good in the past week.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:22

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Ratjaculation posted:

If anyone else, like me, was daunted by 3000 new posts in the lowtax situation

Here is a good update

literally a bird is too good for this world

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:23

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Ratjaculation posted:

If anyone else, like me, was daunted by 3000 new posts in the lowtax situation

Here is a good update

I'm sad because this community is great, besides lowtax and complicit mods/admins, I want it to continue without him anywhere near it which is possible because he has done gently caress here all for 15 years, but it is likely he'll continue on

I hate discord so perhaps it's time to read books in spare time instead of awful app

Lowtax is a huge poo poo stain and should look into getting help he clearly needs it. I'm glad his victims are away from him and hopefully are getting the help they need.

Changing topic somewhat I've read people saying that Corbyn was too slow in properly dealing with Ken Livingstone. I don't remember the whole issue beyond Livingstone saying something antisemitic. Was Corbyn too slow?

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:24

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Spangly A posted:

kerala

the number then goes up from there depeding on how comfortable you are with undemocratic uses of power and violence (the cuba - > estonia model)

Kerala is only left-wing if closing one's eyes whilst sending about 20% of the entire country's labour force to work in much richer petrostates counts as left-wing... the Keralese economy receives more in remittances than it does in govt revenue, for a sense of scale. Functionally this is what is paying for its comparatively better HDIs. There is some similarity to Cold War Cuba here, where Cuba received even more generous subsidies in return for ideological alignment in a strategic location.

in terms of contributing to the Keralese model, the best thing to do would to be work in a relatively much richer country (cough the UK cough) and remit most of your salary to someone else in Kerala

ronya fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jun 25, 2020

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:26

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

bessantj posted:

I don't know what the gently caress English people do with their place names sometimes. I've been working in Southampton this week and saw a road called "Test Lane" it's as if the person just used the example from their "place name generator" tutorial.

The River Test is one of the three rivers that makes up Southampton Water and allows the big lads to dock up. It's also one of the Southampton Constituencies with Southampton Itchen

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:27

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

bessantj posted:

Lowtax is a huge poo poo stain and should look into getting help he clearly needs it. I'm glad his victims are away from him and hopefully are getting the help they need.

Changing topic somewhat I've read people saying that Corbyn was too slow in properly dealing with Ken Livingstone. I don't remember the whole issue beyond Livingstone saying something antisemitic. Was Corbyn too slow?

corbyn was too slow, he should have made the racists in the old disciplinary team stop being racist saboteurs forging 90% of complaints to leak Big Number to the press much faster than he did so ken could be dealt with on time, which everyone involved definitely wanted to happen and they are not at all on record as having deliberately broken the system to make the left look bad

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:28

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

bessantj posted:

I don't remember the whole issue beyond Livingstone saying something antisemitic. Was Corbyn too slow?

One of the allegations in the leaked report was that the staff deliberately slowed action on Livingstone down to hurt Corbyn.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:28

Deketh: Feb 26, 2006; That's a nice fucking fish

Crikey I had no idea about all that with Lowtax, sounds absolutely batshit

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:29

Nothingtoseehere: Nov 11, 2010

bessantj posted:

Lowtax is a huge poo poo stain and should look into getting help he clearly needs it. I'm glad his victims are away from him and hopefully are getting the help they need.

Changing topic somewhat I've read people saying that Corbyn was too slow in properly dealing with Ken Livingstone. I don't remember the whole issue beyond Livingstone saying something antisemitic. Was Corbyn too slow?

The labour gen sec at the time (Ian something or other) intentionally sat on the issue and didn't allow any action to be taken against him, to make corbyn look bad even when told to do so by corbyn. This all came out in one of leaks in... 2018 i think? So yes, as part of internal sabotage to make corbyn look bad.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:29

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

ronya posted:

Kerala is only left-wing if closing one's eyes whilst sending about 20% of the entire country's labour force to work in much richer petrostates counts as left-wing... the Keralese economy receives more in remittances than it does in govt revenue, for a sense of scale

in terms of contributing to the Keralese model, the best thing to do would to be work in a relatively much richer country (cough the UK cough) and remit most of your salary to someone else in Kerala

the left, famously against redistributing wealth in order to create astonishing results in the fields of political involvement, literacy, education and healthcare

did they have their first community transmission of covid19 yet btw? last I checked the answer was no
e;
god if only we had some sort of department for international development to follow through on ronya's plan, I wonder what sort of radical leftist we'd need to create such a ridiculously unelectable communist idea

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jun 25, 2020

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:29

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

bessantj posted:

Lowtax is a huge poo poo stain and should look into getting help he clearly needs it. I'm glad his victims are away from him and hopefully are getting the help they need.

Changing topic somewhat I've read people saying that Corbyn was too slow in properly dealing with Ken Livingstone. I don't remember the whole issue beyond Livingstone saying something antisemitic. Was Corbyn too slow?

The issue with Corbyn is he was a poo poo leader. He was scared of a fight. He had a lot of potential power & a lot of *ahem* momentum & support from the membership & he could've cleaned house right out the gates. Instead he kept trying to compromise with people who made it clear from before he had even been confirmed as leader that they were going to be wreckers. By the time he'd accepted reality a lot of the enthusiasm had wilted away as people got ready to accept they were going to have to waste energy on endless internal battles. I get it's not in his nature but loving hell it was such a wasted opportunity. Probably the best chance of my lifetime and just pissed against the wall.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:32

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Spangly A posted:

the left, famously against redistributing wealth in order to create astonishing results in the fields of political involvement, literacy, education and healthcare

did they have their first community transmission of covid19 yet btw? last I checked the answer was no

the wealth is comparatively easy to redistribute as very little of it is made in Kerala, but instead in dramatically richer countries

(which themselves are rich due to oil)

the fact that the oil is not in Kerala itself discourages a Niger delta resource curse, where oil fuels ethnic conflict instead of relative prosperity (compared to other countries at a similar level of development). But there is still social disruption of sending a huge swathe of the country overseas to work for remittances. Fundamentally it's 1) not very leftie to embrace selling labour on a national scale as a model 2) not very leftie given the conditions Kerala implicitly tolerates for that labour force 3) not perhaps scalable

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:33

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

ronya posted:

the wealth is comparatively easy to redistribute as very little of it is made in Kerala, but instead in dramatically richer countries

(which themselves are rich due to oil)

the fact that the oil is not in Kerala itself discourages a Niger delta resource curse, where oil fuels ethnic conflict instead of relative prosperity (compared to other countries at a similar level of development). But there is still social disruption of sending a huge swathe of the country overseas to work for remittances

Good point, I know what'll solve the social disruption, neoliberalism. :jerkbag:

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:35

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

internal reports say they were looking for a reason to sack RLB becasue she's too close to the unions, which is a big Tory attack line at the moment because of teachers unions somehow being a huge sticking point in the whole "Lets send kids back to schools so they can all catch COVID and give it to the teachers as well" plan that boris is floating.
I mean heaven loving forbid the god drat shadow education secretary have good links with the teachers unions who represent the teachers that she'll be managing. good grief. This party truely is a trash fire.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:36

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

forkboy84 posted:

Good point, I know what'll solve the social disruption, neoliberalism.

certainly there are only two possibilities, neoliberalism and the Kerala model

don't be obtuse

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:37

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

ronya posted:

the wealth is comparatively easy to redistribute as very little of it is made in Kerala, but instead in dramatically richer countries

(which themselves are rich due to oil)

the fact that the oil is not in Kerala itself discourages a Niger delta resource curse, where oil fuels ethnic conflict instead of relative prosperity (compared to other countries at a similar level of development). But there is still social disruption of sending a huge swathe of the country overseas to work for remittances. Fundamentally it's 1) not very leftie to embrace selling labour on a national scale as a model 2) not very leftie given the conditions Kerala implicitly tolerates for that labour force 3) not perhaps scalable

the migratory proletariat are a diruptive force to the social order you say? you're sounding like Badiou mate. calm down before mi5 get out the giant bag and start planning your next bath

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:38

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

why wont somebody PLEASE create ethical socialism under capitalism

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:39

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Oh dear me posted:

One of the allegations in the leaked report was that the staff deliberately slowed action on Livingstone down to hurt Corbyn.

Yes. That is in there. Corbyn wanted to move swiftly.

Leaked report p307 of report (309 of PDF)

quote:

When Ken Livingstone repeated his offensive comments immediately after his NCC hearing in April 2017, Jeremy Corbyn publicly said that an investigation should be launched into those new comments, and he spoke to Jeremy Newmark, then Chair of JLM, who said:

When I spoke to Jeremy Corbyn on Wednesday afternoon he told me that new complaints based upon Mr Livingstone�s comments and actions subsequent to 7.45pm on Tuesday evening when the verdict became public would be taken forward by the NEC.

Newmark sought assurances from Iain McNicol that this was in hand. McNicol said �I can assure you that your complaint about Mr Livingstone is being investigated� staff are currently working on compiling the numerous strands of evidence, including a significant number of witness statements�. However, emails reveal this was not true. No investigation was launched until ten months after Ken Livingstone made the comments, despite LOTO repeatedly chasing for updates and asking why the investigation Corbyn called for hadn�t been launched.
Stolliday finally confirmed in early 2018 that no investigation had been launched, saying �I anticipate [Livingstone] will be back in membership in April�, even though he admitted that staff and the General Secretary had the power to launch an investigation and to suspend Ken Livingstone at any time of their choosing.

The reasons GLU cited for the delays on this case do not explain why it took ten months and chasing from LOTO to launch the investigation - which ultimately involved writing two sentences - or why JLM was misinformed about the investigation having been launched earlier. Seumas Milne asked in February 2018: �Emilie, in our discussions about the KL saga I never quite got why the second investigation was never started�.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:41

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

namesake posted:

Going to shamelessly post the tweet thread from my socialist group both as a means to inform and recruit!

https://twitter.com/revsoc21/status/1276184798730616833?s=20

As an anarchist who�s massively critical of the left, can confirm that RS21 are One Of The Good Ones. In London at least. They also take abuse seriously unlike massive swathes of the left.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:41

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Thanks for the answers about the Livingstone issue. Corbyn should have gone with a purge.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

The River Test is one of the three rivers that makes up Southampton Water and allows the big lads to dock up. It's also one of the Southampton Constituencies with Southampton Itchen

Oh wow, don't stretch yourself when you name a river! (Not you personally, I know you had nothing to do with it.)

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:42

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

ronya posted:

don't be obtuse

ronya I love ya buddy but coming from you this is pretty lol

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:43

Maugrim: Feb 16, 2011; I eat your face

Will RS21 rename after 2021 ends?

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:45

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I'd like the ronya take on this piece which seems to make the unusual argument that everyone is liberals pretending to be nationalists (only this time it's the reactionaries doing it), and the more usual argument that there is only global liberalism or thuggish nation-states (but at least concedes both are bad).

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:46

jaete: Jun 21, 2009; Nap Ghost

keep punching joe posted:

You think 2020 was bad, just wait till you see global mass extinction!

what, you mean the one currently ongoing or

the one that's been happening for decades

ronya posted:

A challenger for the Labour leadership would need 20% of MPs to support a bid - since there are 202 Labour MPs and 10 Labour MEPs,

sorry, 10 labour whats?

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:48

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Just heard the news - at least it made it easy to cancel the membership since I was vaguely on board with hanging around to agitate for poo poo

I hope this dead gay comedy forum can continue to exist in spite of Lowtax apparently being a total piece of poo poo, I've had a lot of bad stuff come up in a short space of time and a bit of stability would be nice

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:49

Wolfsbane: Jul 29, 2009; What time is it, Eccles?

Postin' in the UKMT at the end of the world. Labour is poo poo, Lowtax is a poo poo, the UK is poo poo. Burn it all down and don't even bother starting again, this country deserves to live in the ashes.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:49

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

ThomasPaine posted:

ronya I love ya buddy but coming from you this is pretty lol

I plead annoyance at upholding Kerala as a model divorced of context

for the post-special-period Cuba types there's a certain degree of obligatory bullet-biting that, yes, okay, the country is really poor but these HDI statistics and happiness surveys are actually more important!!

for Kerala the massive role of remittances in its economy is just silently ignored, it's massive enough that eliding it borders on dishonesty

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:51

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Ratjaculation posted:

If anyone else, like me, was daunted by 3000 new posts in the lowtax situation

Here is a good update

I'm sad because this community is great, besides lowtax and complicit mods/admins, I want it to continue without him anywhere near it which is possible because he has done gently caress here all for 15 years, but it is likely he'll continue on

I hate discord so perhaps it's time to read books in spare time instead of awful app

I always knew LAB was good people :unsmith:

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:52

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Wolfsbane posted:

Postin' in the UKMT at the end of the world. Labour is poo poo, Lowtax is a poo poo, the UK is poo poo. Burn it all down and don't even bother starting again, this country deserves to live in the ashes.

Similar energy. I've also lost my closest and oldest friends recently (they've abandoned me for being too liberal). Everything is burning down around me.

I'm glad to be with you lot, here at the end of all things, regardless.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:52

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Barry Foster posted:

Similar energy. I've also lost my closest and oldest friends recently (they've abandoned me for being too liberal). Everything is burning down around me.

I'm glad to be with you lot, here at the end of all things, regardless.

Sorry to hear that, it's pretty poo poo.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:55

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

ronya posted:

certainly there are only two possibilities, neoliberalism and the Kerala model

don't be obtuse

Mate, when have you ever offered a suggestion that wasn't neoliberalism or meaningless word salad?

Don't get me wrong, I find it funny most of the time, but Keir Starmer has put me in a foul mood today.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:56

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

bessantj posted:

Sorry to hear that, it's pretty poo poo.

It was cause I was worried about Covid - afaict you can't care about that and climate change at the same time

Caring about a virus that kills BAME and the poor disproportionately is apparently betraying the cause

Edit but genuinely, honestly, thank you

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:57

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Barry Foster posted:

Similar energy. I've also lost my closest and oldest friends recently (they've abandoned me for being too liberal). Everything is burning down around me.

I'm glad to be with you lot, here at the end of all things, regardless.

It sucks poo poo and I wish neither of us had to put up with it.

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:57

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

ronya posted:

I plead annoyance at upholding Kerala as a model divorced of context

for the post-special-period Cuba types there's a certain degree of obligatory bullet-biting that, yes, okay, the country is really poor but these HDI statistics and happiness surveys are actually more important!!

for Kerala the massive role of remittances in its economy is just silently ignored, it's massive enough that eliding it borders on dishonesty

FOOL that you are, for you trust the bankers in the world to tell you there is no good

comrades, take our filthy bloodstained pounds and, with our arms, together we shall take the dollar. will you fight? or will you perish like a dog?

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:58

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

OwlFancier posted:

It sucks poo poo and I wish neither of us had to put up with it.

So do I, and so do all who live to see such times

Courage comrade

# ? Jun 25, 2020 18:59

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Ratjaculation posted:

If anyone else, like me, was daunted by 3000 new posts in the lowtax situation

Here is a good update

I'm sad because this community is great, besides lowtax and complicit mods/admins, I want it to continue without him anywhere near it which is possible because he has done gently caress here all for 15 years, but it is likely he'll continue on

I hate discord so perhaps it's time to read books in spare time instead of awful app

thanks for the info, when I looked in :gb2gbs:

everyone was just talking about the cookies

# ? Jun 25, 2020 19:00

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I'm not sure I'm running on courage at this point any more than someone falling out of a plane is courageously proceeding towards the ground. But the sentiment is appreciated :v:

# ? Jun 25, 2020 19:00

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