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Makes sense. It closes the loop on the guys that knocked on my door a couple years ago saying my neighbourhood has fiber now, but with suspiciously low speeds
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mediaphage posted:regular bells been pulling that poo poo forever. Hey now, Fibe doesn't mean Fiber. What would ever make you think that? Honestly I'd be happy with symmetric upload in the 300-600 megabit range. DOCSIS 3.1 should be capable of that but I have no idea where Shaw is on their roadmap for that since I left. Their new "Fibre+" plans are just their older FTTN plans with boosted downstream to get people to finish their downloads and get off the shared network ASAP. They're probably benefiting from increased downstream DOCSIS channels with newer hardware to advertise those speeds, but you'd think they'd have at least broken the 50Mbps barrier for upload by now. 1Gbps down and 25Mbps up is just sad at this point.
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Government: Upgrade everyone in these areas to fiber and we will give you money. Carrier: Okay. *redefines fiber to just be copper. Okay done. Government: Great, good job.
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Shaw has started the same marketing bullshit as Bell, calling their cable service Fibre+ even though nothing has changed, it's still DOCSIS.
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Yeah, my parents will have better cheaper and actually symmetrical fibre service in the bumfuck zones cause Valley Fibre is apparently genuine. Meanwhile here i am and the best upload i can get is 20 
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It sucks the availability of plans is so localized, in port coquitlam they have the telus fibre stuff but in actual coquitlam there isn't.. ~tricities rivalry intensifies~ Also what the hell shaw 1Gbps down and 25Mbps up? That's just weak.
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It's unreal to me how generally good our internet services are on the east coast. We pay through the nose, but that we can get parallel speeds up to a gigabit in old St John's is stupid. Even way out in the sticks we can get gigabit but still only 10mbps up.
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The average citizen doesn’t know what an upload is, they just know bigger= better.
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So it sounds like SpaceX/Starlink has officially filed for a license to provide internet services in Canada. https://mobilesyrup.com/2020/06/18/elon-musk-spacex-canada-telecom-licence-internet-rural-areas/
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I hope at least 50% of the bits they plan on sending are Canadian!
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/spacex-high-speed-internet-1.5618918CBC posted:Elon Musk's SpaceX has applied to offer high-speed internet to Canadians living in remote areas by beaming it to them via satellites. Oh man I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics that the big three are going to spout to try and convince us that this is a bad idea.
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:Oh man I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics that the big three are going to spout to try and convince us that this is a bad idea. The nice thing is they don't have much power to block satellite internet because it doesn't rely on lines in ground, the bad thing is that satellite internet really sucks for latency
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/spacex-high-speed-internet-1.5618918 Rough luck for big 3, but they do have some pretty rough implications for big observatory telescopes to my knowledge
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mewse posted:The nice thing is they don't have much power to block satellite internet because it doesn't rely on lines in ground, the bad thing is that satellite internet really sucks for latency Starlink is committed to sub 100ms latency, and they should be able to do it given the number of satellites and the low altitude they orbit at. It's not going to compete with fibre or terrestrial point to point wireless, but it should be very good vs LTE or dialup, and that's a big market.
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No, rumours and poo poo over the last 2 years on Twitter ranging from a gig to 100Mb, no mention on pricing, data caps, user terminals, spectrum costs per user, etc. The government should focus on fixing our archaic licensing fees and allocating more spectrum for smaller isps that work within the communities. There is no reason all this can’t be done on earth, with 100Mb/s connections to everyone, other than the government saying no and allocating more unused spectrum blocks to the big 3. I literally have all the infrastructure in place right now to give any of our rural customers 100Mb/s uncapped symmetrical wireless. If the government allowed it. I don’t want some USA billionaire to come in with any sort of unfettered internet access to the entire planet. That sounds like a dystopian nightmare. Isn’t that the same old story though, people give away all their rights in exchange for porn and Netflix. It amazes me that all the comments on the CRTC page saying oh please help me allow in starlink it’s good for covid blah blah blah. Advocate for your spectrum to be used and any small isp worth a drat can put up a tower and get you amazing internet in the boonies. Unfortunately all people see is Elon and sats and they think this is the second coming of Christ. Technology has been here for years people, your governments are the ones restricting it. Not to mention, this really doesn’t impact the big 3 at all. It impacts all the smaller ISP who have been advocating in your smaller communities for 10+ years, playing within the government rules, only to have it taken away because rocket man wants to go to Mars. Stop being brainwashed and focus on the technology, radio-waves aren’t some magical technology, advocate open and sharing frequency, just like community fiber networks. There are systems out there now that will communicate with a central database, determine where you are located, what spectrum is available, then let you broadcast, open up 1000MHz of low band spectrum and watch your internet problems disappear. At the very least none of this is going to go into effect until the government gives SpaceX the spectrum they’re using in space, and changes licensing fees. Right now your spectrum use cost is determined based on how much speed you are using, with each sat doing 20Gb/s rumoured, you’d literally be paying the Canadian government billions of dollars per year in licensing for sats that have been launched already. There’s no way SpaceX pays for that. I’ve been fighting the government and spectrum use since 2008. If they allow this in, it undermines the entire Industry Canada mantra going back decades. Nitr0 fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jun 20, 2020 |
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/spacex-high-speed-internet-1.5618918 Last I heard Musk's plan was to just poo poo up the atmosphere with a ton of cheap satellites to make this internet plan work. So there are legit reasons to be opposed to this plan.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Last I heard Musk's plan was to just poo poo up the atmosphere with a ton of cheap satellites to make this internet plan work. cheap satellites are a good thing. that's kinda the whole reason why SpaceX has succeeded - they can do the job cheaper and better than entrenched corporate interests. I see no reason why the same won't be true for Canadian ISPs. twenty years down the line we'll all be bitching about them ripping off customers too and there will be some new disruptor to shake up the market. As it stands, gently caress Canadian ISPs, competition is good.
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priznat posted:Don’t those mini satellites gently caress up astronomy and have the potential to add a ton of space junk? sure, but the same thing is true of anything you put in space. that doesn't mean we shouldn't put things in space, it just means we need to either manage that lifecycle or have a plan to dispose of them when they're no longer of use.
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It just seemed like a whole constellation of small sats pose more of an issue for decommissioning/deorbiting them all safely. There’s going to be a significant percentage that die off and are not recoverable. Will the orbit decay quickly enough on its own? I should do more reading on this tbh.
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The orbit they're in is predicted to decay within 5 years. The issue with the constellation as-is, is it literally cannot do what they've claimed the service does. Like, it's physically impossible, because the sats they've launched to date don't have the hardware to communicate with each other. So there's no fantastical orbital mesh network*. If there's no fantastical orbital mesh network, what you have are a bunch of bent pipes in very fast orbits. The "pizza box sized phased array antenna" they claim would be used by customers to connect to multiple transponders, so that the connection doesn't drop every minute or so as they fly over the horizon, doesn't exist. And were it to exist at some point, it's very unlikely to be the suggested price of $1000 for quite some time. *The mesh network concept itself is certainly not going to be low latency, by virtue of being a mesh, but it's also moot because it doesn't exist. So right now there are a bunch of sats in orbit that don't do any of what's claimed or being sold, but do gently caress up ground astronomy.
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priznat posted:There’s going to be a significant percentage that die off and are not recoverable. Will the orbit decay quickly enough on its own? I should do more reading on this tbh. If they are still alive and can't contact the ground for an extended period of time, they de-orbit themselves. If they aren't able to de-orbit themselves, I don't know how long it takes to naturally decay, but probably on the timescale of 1-2 years, not decades... infernal machines posted:The orbit they're in is predicted to decay within 5 years. Does it though? They have a service life of 5 years, that's with boosting.
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Starlink is a bunch of bullshit that only exists to create work for SpaceX. More Musk grift.
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Chris Knight posted:Starlink is a bunch of bullshit that only exists to create work for SpaceX. More Musk grift. Don't brush off the secondary benefit of getting him invited to Brocasts.
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Pivo posted:Does it though? They have a service life of 5 years, that's with boosting. My mistake
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Chris Knight posted:Starlink is a bunch of bullshit that only exists to create work for SpaceX. More Musk grift. Exactly, more billionaire bullshit on this planet. Musk and the US government can get hosed, cause that’s basically what this is, a US government based network with planetary coverage. Can’t wait for the first of these sats to get hit and cause a chain reaction of collisions in space. Nitr0 fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jun 27, 2020 |
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Hmm, Bell just brought FTTH to my neighbourhood in Ancaster. I'm currently with Cogeco at a somewhat pitiful 120/60 (and even those are optimistic) unlimited plan. I set up an install date for a 1gb/800m unlimited. Hopefully it lives up to expectations. Lack of gigabit was really the only downside of moving out to the boonies from my downtown Toronto condo so it'll be nice to have that back. mewse posted:Bell MTS is saying they have fiber to my neighbourhood when they've redefined it as "fiber to the node" with a max speed of 100 mbit I was worried about this too. I saw trucks running fibre last month but I just always assumed the worst for me until I got the flyer in the mail about gigabit today 
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Nitr0 posted:Can’t wait for the first of these sats to get hit and cause a chain reaction of collisions in space. Flipside: Might give Musk reason to pump billions into space cleanup research. I signed up with the Starlink mailing, just to see what they plan on offering for the beta. I have zero intention of leaving my FTTH but I have curiosity to the whole thing.
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Given that these are in low decaying orbits, it seems likely that it would all just fall and burn up, wouldn't it? These things are what, 500lb? We're not talking about a junk cloud that cuts earth off from space for hundreds of years or something. I likewise don't think any collisions can take out more than a small number of satellites at any one point.
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For all the effort they went in to put in a fancy DMZ type of thing so people wouldn’t want to put their lovely modem into bridge mode, Bell’s Advanced DMZ sure didn’t play well with my Edgerouter. I just did a PPPoE bridge anyway and it works fine so ugh.
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Martytoof posted:For all the effort they went in to put in a fancy DMZ type of thing so people wouldn’t want to put their lovely modem into bridge mode, Bell’s Advanced DMZ sure didn’t play well with my Edgerouter. I just did a PPPoE bridge anyway and it works fine so ugh. The HH3000 DMZ feature has been broken for years. For FTTH, consider using the Edgerouter SFP port with the Bell SFP ONT. https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31118482-Yes-you-CAN-bypass-the-HomeHub-3000
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Absolutely would but we’re also using the FibeTV features that require the HH3K I gather (or at least some VLAN hacking I’m not terribly interested in right now) The PPPoE thing seems to be working for now but we’ll see — my interest in hacking a solution could change very quickly  some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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It's a separate VLAN for the Fibe TV PPPoE session and I believe a completely separate set of credentials. Setting up the VLANs isn't terribly difficult, but getting the Fibe TV credentials might be harder. Before the HH3K you could dump the router config and decode them from that, but I don't know if that's still possible.
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infernal machines posted:It's a separate VLAN for the Fibe TV PPPoE session and I believe a completely separate set of credentials. Setting up the VLANs isn't terribly difficult, but getting the Fibe TV credentials might be harder. Before the HH3K you could dump the router config and decode them from that, but I don't know if that's still possible. Separate VLAN and a router that supports IGMP snooping. The Edgerouter is well documented, as it is one of the few devices with 2.5GB SFP support. The thread I linked has everything needed to set it up, but up to Martytoof if they want to or not. There are no separate credentials needed, the TV devices don’t work that way. Note that phone service requires the HH3000, no workaround for that.
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My mistake, I guess FibeTV doesn't use PPPoE at all for WAN with the GPON service (I'm pretty sure it did back in the VDSL days, because there was a separate set of PPPoE creds if you had FibeTV on the old Sagem modems).
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My Shaw 2 year plan is up and looking at options.. In my area (west coquitlam, BC) I have: -Shaw up to 1Gbps/20Mbs (lol) -Telus up to 75Mbps -Teksavvy up to 150/15 cable or 75 dsl So.. shaw again I guess  Wishing we got the telus fibre in this area.
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In this day and age gigabit parallel should be available everywhere but who are we to rise up against the Bell party who are running this country
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