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Len posted:I watched Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter for the first time in over a decade and man did a lot of the humor in that not age well It's been about fifteen years since I watched it. I remember it as the title being the best part of the movie, so I can believe that it has aged poorly.
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I haven't watched that in over a decade and will not be revisting it but the end credits song got a big laugh out of me.
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Jun 26, 2020 18:42
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It's been mentioned before I'm sure, but Bill and Ted randomly saying FAAAG to one another catches me off guard every single time. It doesn't break the movie, but I somehow forget that line after each viewing.
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Jun 26, 2020 18:43
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Four-Eyes posted:It's been mentioned before I'm sure, but Bill and Ted randomly saying FAAAG to one another catches me off guard every single time. It doesn't break the movie, but I somehow forget that line after each viewing. They're just so loving positive otherwise.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:06
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purple death ray posted:They're just so loving positive otherwise. Yeah, ha. Scott Pilgrim threw me off for a similar reason. One of the characters randomly calls Scott a retard, and it stands out like a sore thumb. The character is otherwise presented as simply grumpy.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:11
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Flying Zamboni posted:I haven't watched that in over a decade and will not be revisting it but the end credits song got a big laugh out of me. Some of the biggest things that just didn't work for me: The character who exists just to get groped. She literally says no words and just gets groped. I forgot it was a running thing and only remembered when Jesus did it at the end There's an incredibly racist salt or pepper shakers at one point I forgot completely about the really awkward drag queen(?) scene and I don't really know what the goal was supposed to be there? And unrelated to the above problems I thought a luchador showing up to fight vampires was hilarious but didn't find out until well after that movie that luchadors fighting monsters is just a thing so it wasn't unique and also they used a Santo mask and had a guy be Santo.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:16
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Four-Eyes posted:Yeah, ha. I think that might be just about the time everyone started to lean back from using the R-word. Bit of inside baseball, I used to be involved in the same art community as Bryan Lee O'Malley before and around when Scott Pilgrim got published as a comic. Another artist who I won't name (not for any important reason, it's just a weird detail that isn't relevant to her current career) was working as a caretaker for people with trisomy 21 at the time, and would quietly call people out whenever they'd drop "retarded" as an insult. I know that was when most of us started checking ourselves and thinking, "You know...that actually isn't cool, and we should stop."
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Jun 26, 2020 19:16
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Four-Eyes posted:Yeah, ha. Scott Pilgrim was problematic back when it came out, it can only be worse now
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Jun 26, 2020 19:19
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Iron Crowned posted:Scott Pilgrim was problematic back when it came out, it can only be worse now Every single relationship in it reads like a really toxic and likely abusive situation.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:23
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I haven't read Scott Pilgrim in forever but Scott was a bad person who should have been sat down by his friends and given a come to Jesus talk. And had that not worked cut from the band and their lives
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Jun 26, 2020 19:25
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There is so much wrong with Scott Pilgrim the character (but not Scott Pilgrim the movie).
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Jun 26, 2020 19:31
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pentyne posted:Every single relationship in it reads like a really toxic and likely abusive situation. Yes, that was the point.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:37
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Wasn't there an alternate version where he just walks away after making peace with the two girls, or was that a fever dream?
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Jun 26, 2020 19:38
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Four-Eyes posted:It's been mentioned before I'm sure, but Bill and Ted randomly saying FAAAG to one another catches me off guard every single time. It doesn't break the movie, but I somehow forget that line after each viewing. That's definitely realistic for the time and characters though.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:40
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Four-Eyes posted:Wasn't there an alternate version where he just walks away after making peace with the two girls, or was that a fever dream? The movie ends a little differently from the comic since they were made simultaneously, but I don't remember exactly what the difference is
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Jun 26, 2020 19:41
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purple death ray posted:The movie ends a little differently from the comic since they were made simultaneously, but I don't remember exactly what the difference is Summary of the last volume of Scott Pilgrim posted:Scott awakens in a desert, where he encounters Ramona. They reconcile and return to the club, where Scott confronts Gideon inside Ramona's subspace and encourages Ramona to overcome Gideon's influence. When Scott witnesses Gideon berate Envy, he realizes he has been no better than Gideon in his past relationships, causing him to gain the Power of Understanding. Scott and Ramona unite, defeat Gideon together, and decide to give their relationship another chance. In an epilogue, Scott works as a co-chef with Stephen, who reveals he is gay and dating Joseph. Scott and Kim start a new band, and Knives leaves to attend university. Scott and Ramona affirm their desire to face the challenges of a relationship together, and walk hand-in-hand into a subspace door.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:45
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Four-Eyes posted:Wasn't there an alternate version where he just walks away after making peace with the two girls, or was that a fever dream? In the movie, there's an alternate ending where he gets back with the 17-year old instead of Ramona.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:45
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Scott was a cowardly, narcissistic mental and emotional abuser dating an underage high school girl who cheated on her with Ramona who he also cheated on. However he also liked video games. In the end, was he really any different from us?
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Jun 26, 2020 19:47
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Four-Eyes posted:Wasn't there an alternate version where he just walks away after making peace with the two girls, or was that a fever dream? There was an alternate ending where Scott ended up with Knives. Which is really not a good idea. Scott ending up with Ramona isn't awful, the one thing I will say is that the comic does it better in that Scott actually realizes what a dick he's been and does try to make amends to the people who he's still close to.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:48
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purple death ray posted:The movie ends a little differently from the comic since they were made simultaneously, but I don't remember exactly what the difference is In the movie Scott has to fight Nega-Scott, and they become friends and no lessons were learned.
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oldpainless posted:Scott was a cowardly, narcissistic mental and emotional abuser dating an underage high school girl who cheated on her with Ramona who he also cheated on. However he also liked video games. In the end, was he really any different from us? Scott knows how to fight. So yes, he's very different from all of us.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:52
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Iron Crowned posted:In the movie Scott has to fight Nega-Scott, and they become friends and no lessons were learned. you're right up until that last part, because while the movie doesn't directly spell it out for you, that whole situation is Scott learning a lesson. the whole point of him befriending Nega-Scott is him realizing that not every situation can be resolved with "be a toxic violent rear end in a top hat until the problem goes away." fighting Nega-Scott would just be the same poo poo he always does that always ends badly for everyone. instead, he doesn't do that and talks the situation out and ends up friends with Nega-Scott... and it's the first step on the path to him being a no-caveats decent person.
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I could never get over the fact that Scott's relationship with Knives is basically completely ignored 99% of the time and coming from a place where there was an endless supply of late-20's dudes grooming teenagers (not to mention the whole "my teen asian girlfriend" thing that rolled around in so many overlapping circles within nerd fandoms), the fact that nobody ever really confronts him, and they just all sort of roll their eyes (to the point where, as mentioned above, they even shot a scene for the movie where that relationship "wins") was always the grossest thing and completely ruined the entire work for me.
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The casting for that movie was spot-on, except for the two main characters. Michael Cera's soft spoken dork routine makes Scott seem much more manipulative than he is in the comics. Comics Scott is enthusiastic but completely clueless, which means that he's often selfish and takes advantage of people without realizing it. Movie Scott is dorky and introverted and whines when he doesn't get his way, which makes him a much less appealing character. In the comics, he realizes that you can't sweep the bad things you've done under the rug by pretending they never happened, and even though he thought he was nice, he did a lot of cruel things. In the movie, he gets a spine and stands up for himself. It's a very different character arc. Comics Ramona has the opposite problem as Scott -- she constantly fucks stuff up and then runs away. She eventually gets the guts to stay and work on her relationship with Scott, and the comics end with them both working through their problems rather than ignoring them. Movie Ramona has no personality and exists to react to the men in her life. I don't know if Edgar Wright just sucks at directing female characters or what, since Baby Driver has the same problem.
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Toshimo posted:I could never get over the fact that Scott's relationship with Knives is basically completely ignored 99% of the time and coming from a place where there was an endless supply of late-20's dudes grooming teenagers (not to mention the whole "my teen asian girlfriend" thing that rolled around in so many overlapping circles within nerd fandoms), the fact that nobody ever really confronts him, and they just all sort of roll their eyes (to the point where, as mentioned above, they even shot a scene for the movie where that relationship "wins") was always the grossest thing and completely ruined the entire work for me. Everyone is constantly ripping on him for dating a 17 year old, and for cheating. I haven't read it in a while but don't most of the characters call him a garbage person the whole way through?
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Jun 26, 2020 20:19
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With hindsight I'm now grateful for my apparent inability to remember movies.
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Jun 26, 2020 20:32
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Scott Pilgrim is 23 and Knives has a birthday during all this so at that point they are 5 years apart. Not great, but not 'carry around an age of consent card reference card in your wallet' bad. The record store break-up scene with Knives has some Chinese jokes/comments that have not aged well at all, unless you think Donald Trump is the height of hilarity.
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Jun 26, 2020 20:36
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Or like how the comic had Knives dad follow Scott around trying to get into some samurai duel over the honor of his daughter
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Jun 26, 2020 20:38
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I have seen Scott Pilgrim 4 times. 3 of them were becasue idiots around me really liked it. Every time it was "hey check out this awesome movie I just got," while I made this face  The one willing time I saw it it was at the second run theater because goons gushed about it.
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Jun 26, 2020 20:39
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Krispy Wafer posted:Scott Pilgrim is 23 and Knives has a birthday during all this so at that point they are 5 years apart. Not great, but not 'carry around an age of consent card reference card in your wallet' bad. Never seen/read the movie/comic, but at a glance that's someone at the end of/fresh out of college dating someone in high school, it's pretty gross.
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Big Mad Drongo posted:Never seen/read the movie/comic, but at a glance that's someone at the end of/fresh out of college dating someone in high school, it's pretty gross. The whole point of it in the comics is that Scott isn't really trying to date Knives, he just wants a fangirl to follow him around and Knives is that. It's really lovely and manipulative, because Knives doesn't understand that it isn't a real relationship, but he isn't trying to get into her pants or anything. He does proposition her later, after she's turned 18, but the comic portrays this correctly as creepy and wrong and a personal low point for Scott. Like you aren't wrong, Scott honestly should not have anything to do with Knives, but he isn't really grooming her. He is using her though.
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Jun 26, 2020 21:23
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ilmucche posted:Everyone is constantly ripping on him for dating a 17 year old, and for cheating. I haven't read it in a while but don't most of the characters call him a garbage person the whole way through? I wouldn't say it's aged badly given that pretty much the whole point of the movie is that he's a poo poo person and he needs to realise it.
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Jun 26, 2020 21:36
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If 20+ year olds grooming teenagers becomes denormalized across the board that'll be a good thing.
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sweet geek swag posted:The whole point of it in the comics is that Scott isn't really trying to date Knives, he just wants a fangirl to follow him around and Knives is that. It's really lovely and manipulative, because Knives doesn't understand that it isn't a real relationship, but he isn't trying to get into her pants or anything. He does proposition her later, after she's turned 18, but the comic portrays this correctly as creepy and wrong and a personal low point for Scott. Fair enough, I'm not judging a work I'm not familiar with, just pointing out that "it's just five years" isn't something people should be pointing out to defend this plot point.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:If 20+ year olds grooming teenagers becomes denormalized across the board that'll be a good thing. My point is that it was not normalised in the film and multiple characters call him our for it: quote:STACEY quote:Wallace and Scott stand outside a CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL.
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Jun 26, 2020 22:06
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They stay his friends though
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Jun 26, 2020 22:07
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oldpainless posted:They stay his friends though I will agree to that comment. E: but to clarify: the whole point of the movie is that he is a poo poo with regards to his relationships. Moo the cow has a new favorite as of 22:18 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Jun 26, 2020 22:13
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oldpainless posted:They stay his friends though None of them are particularly good people tbh.
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sweet geek swag posted:None of them are particularly good people tbh. Yeah, his roommate collects boyfriends like pokemon cards.
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oldpainless posted:They stay his friends though I'm not even sure they're really his friends. They leave him to get his rear end murdered by vegan Superman and kick him out of the band to sign with Ramona's evil ex. We might be overthinking morality in Scott Pilgrim's world. An innocent child gets disintegrated during their Battle of the Bands and no one even blinks.
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