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Homora Gaykemi posted:I was playing some Mania yesterday and i think that game's Lava Reef Act 2 might be my favorite stage in the series from an aesthetic perspective. the cooler colour palette combined with the music is so good i adore lava reef in s&k and im so glad mania did it so much justice. just fantastic all around
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Sonic CD (2011) and Mania are tied for best in my book. There was a time when I'd insist 3 was untouchable but the CD port is just my perfect game when I wanna go fast for half an hour (yes I've memorized pretty much every zone in the present and past at least) plus it has a flawless soundtrack and Mania has like 3 weak acts total while 3 has a big chunk that I don't ever really want to play again at this point. Not to mention blue sphere I still have the smallest hope that we're gonna get a game with all new zones in the same style as Mania but even if we don't Mania made me extremely happy. The first time I beat Lava Reef and noticed Little Planet in the background while the zone transitioned to Metallic Madness was just something else.
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Jun 27, 2020 11:17
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Pants Donkey posted:Titanic Monarch is where the level design kinda falls to its worse impulses regarding stage length. I have never died from time in a Sonic game until that stage. I'm pretty sure I did as a kid in Marble Garden and Carnival Night. Pants Donkey posted:Mania would be better than 3&K if it wasn’t 2/3 retreads of older zones. Yeah probably. Also a bummer that Mirage Saloon is really only half a new zone. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jun 27, 2020 |
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Jun 27, 2020 12:07
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Also since Mirage Saloon is essentially the cut Dust Hill Zone from Sonic 2 fully realized I’m kind of disappointed they didn’t bring back the crocodile badnik shown in that one promo image.
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Jun 27, 2020 12:33
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I died from time in Carnival Night 2. Never did in Marble Garden but I could see it happening.
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Jun 27, 2020 12:54
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Dabir posted:I died from time in Carnival Night 2. Never did in Marble Garden but I could see it happening. Couldn't figure out that barrel, huh?
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Jun 27, 2020 13:10
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Larryb posted:Also since Mirage Saloon is essentially the cut Dust Hill Zone from Sonic 2 fully realized I’m kind of disappointed they didn’t bring back the crocodile badnik shown in that one promo image. Um sir excuse me sir it was actually called Sand Shower, not Dust Hill as we previously thought, sir. Also agreed
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Jun 27, 2020 13:12
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Um sir excuse me sir it was actually called Sand Shower, not Dust Hill as we previously thought, sir. Also agreed Actually I never heard of that, when was that revealed?
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Jun 27, 2020 13:22
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Larryb posted:Actually I never heard of that, when was that revealed? Oh really? A couple years ago Hirokazu Yasuhara did a presentation about game design and he posted some early documents from S2’s development, including maps from 3 different time periods. The desert area is labeled “Sand Shower Zone,” and there’s a bunch of others that never made it into any version of the game. Dust Hill is on the map but it’s in the same area as Green Hill on the bad future map. It’s hard to tell if it’s actually supposed to be Mystic Cave Sone (which isn’t on any of the maps) or not. I’ll see if I can find some pics Edit: Found this article on google that has the images
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Jun 27, 2020 13:39
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Dabir posted:I died from time in Carnival Night 2. Never did in Marble Garden but I could see it happening. I don't know what make me take so long though, I'm pretty sure I figured out the barrel pretty early on, and I remember this being like a theme of playing Sonic 3 when I was younger, so it wasn't just once.
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Jun 27, 2020 13:43
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Oh really? A couple years ago Hirokazu Yasuhara did a presentation about game design and he posted some early documents from S2’s development, including maps from 3 different time periods. The desert area is labeled “Sand Shower Zone,” and there’s a bunch of others that never made it into any version of the game. Dust Hill is on the map but it’s in the same area as Green Hill on the bad future map. It’s hard to tell if it’s actually supposed to be Mystic Cave Sone (which isn’t on any of the maps) or not. I believe selecting Dust Hill on the level select for Sonic 2 Beta just takes you to Mystic Cave so you’re probably right about that.
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Jun 27, 2020 13:48
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Mania isn't perfect but it has much better level design than 3&K imo. Theres so many stages in 3&K that hugely outstay their welcome for me. I still say if you could swap Sandopolis for Hydrocity then S&K on its own would be my favorite Sonic game hands down. I don't have any nostalgia for Sonic 3 tbh as I played it years after S&K. I think Launch Base was the last classic sonic Zone I learned about because I never saw screenshots of it anywhere. Thats probably because its the ugliest Zone.
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Jun 27, 2020 13:55
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Sandopolis alone kind of drops S3K down a point for me (especially Act 2 which is one of the few 2D Sonic levels where I actually was in danger of running out of time). Whenever I replay it now I just use Debug Mode and fly through the level until I find the boss arena.
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Jun 27, 2020 13:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:Yeah probably. Also a bummer that Mirage Saloon is really only half a new zone. Well, Knux or encore mode fixes that.
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Jun 27, 2020 14:02
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Sandopolis is one of the few zones I legit cannot remember where any of the special stage rings are. I've looked up guides numerous times and I still cannot find those loving things.
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Jun 27, 2020 14:11
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Sonic 2 is better than Sonic Mania send tweet
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Jun 27, 2020 14:36
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I want another Sonic Advance, or at least a rerelease or something.
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Jun 27, 2020 14:55
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Oxyclean posted:As a kid that would often happen to me. I remember I would occasionally purposefully wait out the clock so I could get a time reset so I wouldn't be trying beat the boss with like 30 seconds. Yeah it wasn't the barrel for me, I think it was the water section at the start and the bit where you have to climb the anti gravity platforms.
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Jun 27, 2020 15:18
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Takoluka posted:Sonic 2 is better than Sonic Mania send tweet Sonic 2 is the best one so yeah.
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Jun 27, 2020 15:37
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Idk, Sonic 2 is a big step up from Sonic 1, but Tails not being able to fly, special stages that you can only really beat through memorization, and a lack of save/level select are weaknesses.
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Jun 27, 2020 16:07
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The game takes maybe half an hour to beat. The special stage complaint is valid.
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Jun 27, 2020 16:10
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Oxyclean posted:Idk, Sonic 2 is a big step up from Sonic 1, but Tails not being able to fly, special stages that you can only really beat through memorization, and a lack of save/level select are weaknesses. Sonic 2 does have a level select but it requires entering a code on the sound test. However, the Sonic Classic Collection version on the DS does let you save your progress in Sonic 1, 2, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 2 & Knuckles. The save remembers what act you’re on (except S&K for some reason which sticks you back at the start of the current zone instead), how many lives you had and how many emeralds you’ve collected.
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Jun 27, 2020 16:20
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Sonic 2 has the worst special stage of all of the 2D games and will never be the best game because of it.
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Jun 27, 2020 16:42
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I've always seen the special stages as "bonus" so never took them into consideration when I rank the games but that's just me.
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Jun 27, 2020 16:50
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Groovelord Neato posted:The game takes maybe half an hour to beat. The special stage complaint is valid. Larryb posted:Sonic 2 does have a level select but it requires entering a code on the sound test. I do wish we could get proper "definitive editions" of the classic 2D Sonics on modern platforms, rather then just a million re-releases of what is essentially just the roms. Like it's so weird of the Retro Engine polish jobs, only Sonic CD got to be on PC & console.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:03
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S3&K special stages ultimately come down to memorization too. You can just kind of bumble around a lot of them and succeed but there are those last few that are pretty much on rails and require perfect execution. I'd put the Sonic 2 and S3&K stages about even and they're both way better than the ones in Sonic 1 and CD.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:06
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Oxyclean posted:special stages that you can only really beat through memorization Use the pause button.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:11
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I feel like S3&K's special stages are still just more playable, there is some lame gotchas, but once you know the basic rules you can figure out a lot of them easily without needing to fail and try again. "Perfect execution" is still a lot more of a reasonable ask then dealing with the way S2 stages play, but that's me. Like I don't think I've pulled off getting all the emeralds legitimately in Sonic 2. But to be fair, I've played less of it, and unlike S3&K, emeralds & super sonic are more of a bonus, rather then something that gates the final boss.
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Kaethela posted:Sonic 2 has the worst special stage of all of the 2D games and will never be the best game because of it. That’s why the Christian Whitehead version needs to be ported everywhere cause it fixes them by making them actual 3D so you can see what’s coming up.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:13
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if i never have to play a half pipe or another loving blue sphere stage in my life ill be eternally blessed holy balls do those suck
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Jun 27, 2020 17:24
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im getting pissed about how bad blue spheres is all over again jesus christ
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Jun 27, 2020 17:24
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Blue Sphere actually owns a lot. E: the best special stages are the nights special stages in SRB2 though
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Jun 27, 2020 17:33
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I can’t wrap my head around any of the blue sphere extra stages in Mania that add more spheres.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:45
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The only good special stages are CD and Mania tbh with you fam.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:52
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The Sonic Rush special stages are much better than Sonic 2, because the stylus controls are a hundred times easier to navigate with and the music kicks rear end.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:53
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Yeah the Rush special stages are the only really fun tube ones. And I liked Blue Spheres but it’s gets tiresome after a while, and entirely too hard. Mania has the best special stages.
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Jun 27, 2020 17:58
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I remember 3D Blast's special stages being pretty straightforward. I think it's the first game I got all the emeralds in actually. Of course it's not a True Sonic Game. I'm also a weirdo and consider Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles totally separate games (I actually never owned 3 but rented it a bunch).
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Jun 27, 2020 18:07
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The memorization thing never made any sense to me Sonic 2 is designed to be played multiple times why is it a problem that you have to learn the special stages to get the emeralds. Like the biggest flaw in Sonic 2 imo is that the final bosses don't give you a chance to learn their patterns because there's no rings. You get hit once then have to try again. Pure memorization. At least the halfpipes don't kick you out the instant you hit a bomb with no leeway.
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Jun 27, 2020 18:21
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Yeah the Rush special stages are the only really fun tube ones. And I liked Blue Spheres but it’s gets tiresome after a while, and entirely too hard. Mania has the best special stages. The ones in Heroes weren’t that bad once you figure out the trick (Power characters use less boost energy than the others so just switch to them and hold down the button). I would also say that the Special Stages in the Saturn (and to a much lesser extent, PC) version of 3D Blast were arguably better than the game itself.
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I really liked the special stages in Advance 2 and 3 as well. Advance 1 would have been fine if the rings didn't have miniscule hitboxes and if there was any way of telling where they were in relation to you.
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