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ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

NEC PR may happen as there is cross-factional support for it - the left is concerned that it may soon be returned to the Blair-era status quo of being almost completely extirpated from the party apparatus, whilst the right is concerned its return to relevance may be equally short-lived

The problem with slates is also that slates have proven not to provide sufficient discipline anyway. Between A/S and Brexit, even the straight-Corbyn slates failed to hew to the leadership line on command

It does effectively mean the trade unions and the leadership will between them dominate the NEC entirely. The CLP seats effectively swing from being worth 9 to being worth 3 or 2, give or take, in the contentious votes that matter

# ? Jun 27, 2020 15:21

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# ? May 28, 2024 18:18

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Jippa posted:

What is "eulerdiagrams.org" and why does it keep annoying my anti virus when I come in this thread?

I was on my phone and hotlinked an image, fixed with an imgur link instead now.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 15:24

radmonger: Jun 6, 2011

DickEmery posted:

Does anyone know of a serious counterpoint to Graeber's argument?
it rings so true and conforms to my own ideas to such an extent I'd like to see the alternative.

It started well, but it loses the plot at the point it stops repeating the obviously true things that everyone (here) knows. The stuff from what I assume is his new book about the caring classes may well be true in general, but has very little to do with who won the last two UK elections.

it wasn�t nurses, teachers and careers who abandoned Labour; the Labour vote amongst nurses was >90% in the one poll that asked that question.

Lost Labour voters were:

- ex-working class pensioners annoyed by their lovely (because underfunded) Labour local councils; This is where Graeber�s point about bureaucracy should come in. If you have ever met an old person, you will know what they feel about bins.

- those middle class people who preferred the Lib Dem EU policy.

In short, it was not the carers, but the cared-for, that lost both 2017 and 2019. And it was the EU policy that was the difference in the size of those defeats;

I remain mystified by those people. like Graeber, who genuinely think Corbyn could have won in 2019 by being sufficiently Leave. You can�t out-leave Boris Johnson.

Before the switch (to a fudged compromise, rather than an actual good policy) Labour were polling at _19%_. Continue in that direction and, well, it is true that you won�t come _second_.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 15:57

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

radmonger posted:

It started well, but it loses the plot at the point it stops repeating the obviously true things that everyone (here) knows. The stuff from what I assume is his new book about the caring classes may well be true in general, but has very little to do with who won the last two UK elections.

it wasn�t nurses, teachers and careers who abandoned Labour; the Labour vote amongst nurses was >90% in the one poll that asked that question.

Lost Labour voters were:

- ex-working class pensioners annoyed by their lovely (because underfunded) Labour local councils; This is where Graeber�s point about bureaucracy should come in. If you have ever met an old person, you will know what they feel about bins.

- those middle class people who preferred the Lib Dem EU policy.

In short, it was not the carers, but the cared-for, that lost both 2017 and 2019. And it was the EU policy that was the difference in the size of those defeats;

I remain mystified by those people. like Graeber, who genuinely think Corbyn could have won in 2019 by being sufficiently Leave. You can�t out-leave Boris Johnson.

Before the switch (to a fudged compromise, rather than an actual good policy) Labour were polling at _19%_. Continue in that direction and, well, it is true that you won�t come _second_.

Ah so they got Camrath involved.

How good and accurate is the Morning Star as a news source?

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:03

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Doesn't like gay people or trans people, probably sort of alright on bosses being poo poo.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:09

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

thespaceinvader posted:

Did... I read an edited copy or something? I don't remember either of those passages...

Yes it's there:

quote:

They grinned. Then Ender said, �Better
invite Bernard.�
Alai cocked an eyebrow. �Oh?�
�And Shen.�
�That little slanty-eyed butt-wiggler?�
Ender decided that Alai was joking.
�Hey, we can�t all be niggers.�
Alai grinned. �My grandpa would�ve
killed you for that.�
�My great great grandpa would have
sold him first.�
�Let�s go get Bernard and Shen and
freeze these bugger-lovers.�

Also 'bugger' here refers to the big ant things as in bugs, not a homophobic reference. The race of creatures' name in the film is Formics (I'm not sure if that's in the book or not).
Book was written in 1985 (after a short story from 1977 which is when I read it).

I must admit the concept of the "Speaker for the Dead" (Ed: 2nd* - book in the series) is very appealing to me. Also the planting a tree in a dead body thing (that caused HUGE misunderstandings between the humans and the Pequeninos.)

*corrected by Failed Imagineer below. I wrote 3rd.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 27, 2020

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:11

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Yes it's there:

Also 'bugger' here refers to the big ant things as in bugs, not a homophobic reference. The race of creatures' name in the film is Formics (I'm not sure if that's in the book or not).
Book was written in 1985 (after a short story from 1977 which is when I read it).

I must admit the concept of the "Speaker for the Dead" (3rd book in the series) is very appealing to me. Also the planting a tree in a dead body thing (that caused HUGE misunderstandings between the humans and the Pequeninos.)

Speaker for the Dead is the 2nd book. It's great tho, I don't remember it being especially influenced by his weird Mormon bigotry

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jun 27, 2020

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:12

sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

Full disclosure I loved Ender's Game when I was like 12 because fucken zero-G laser tag pew pew yeah. Read the four Ender books and the four Shadow books too. Even as a dumb white middle class kid some of the more obvious stuff seemed off but looking back as an adult there's a LOT that's pretty terrible. Charity shopped my copies of all the books years back now. Would certainly be ashamed to have it on display behind me on the BBC's flagship political panel show.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:28

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

OwlFancier posted:

Doesn't like gay people or trans people, probably sort of alright on bosses being poo poo.

So a bit poo poo then, I wonder because Maxine Peake tweeted this

https://twitter.com/MPeakeOfficial/status/1276200507154010113

And some people have used a Morningstar report as evidence that she is correct.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:40

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

bessantj posted:

So a bit poo poo then, I wonder because Maxine Peake tweeted this

https://twitter.com/MPeakeOfficial/status/1276200507154010113

And some people have used a Morningstar report as evidence that she is correct.

All the secondary sources like the Morning Star reference the Amnesty International report which does show that the forces trained together but not that they taught to knee on peoples necks so it's not a mark against the whole argument, only that they're the sort of person to trust the Morning Star over AI directly or AJE for example.

It's basically a side issue though - is she and the Independent anti-semitic for saying and publishing that comment then, or was it a mistake with no deeper meaning? That's the key regarding the actions against RLB.

As far as global injustices go though the collaborations between state police forces is bad but far from the worst injustices to drop into a conversation.

namesake fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jun 27, 2020

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:46

Shogi: Nov 23, 2004; distant Pohjola

radmonger posted:

It started well, but it loses the plot at the point it stops repeating the obviously true things that everyone (here) knows...

Agree with this as well, the first half of the article is a good summary of political dynamics since 2015, but a lot of the carer-administrator divide stuff comes across as a bit confused imo. Graeber posits (I think?) that right wing populism has been boosted by �carers� getting frustrated with tiresome bureaucrat types, but in my experience that�s not really true. I know a shitload of nurses - some of whom arent keen on red tape - and almost all of them were some of Corbyn�s strongest supporters round here. HCAs weren�t too far behind, with doctors a lot more 50/50. More clerical/non-patient-facing type staff on the other hand were quite often vehemently opposed to Corbyn and are the same people repeating �all lives matter� talking points now. If anything I�d think the �administrators� have bought into right wing narratives more, even sometimes in weirdly oblivious ways - harping on about EUreaucrats while doing a classic pen-pusher job themselves etc

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:48

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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The specifics are almost irrelevant to the point Peake was making; even if the Israeli police didn't literally tap a blackboard with a diagram of a neck on it to a rapt audience of US cops, they absolutely train together and form a direct conduit for tactics learned suppressing Palestinians to be used against US civilians. The link is the point, not the idea that the Israelis have a secret neck-stepping tactic they have to teach individually.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:49

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Wouldn't the more logical divide be between people who interact intimately with the public and people who don't? With income and prestige being a factor as well.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 16:56

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Another new political party:

https://harmonyparty.org.uk/

quote:

About Us
Who Are Harmony?

Currently, we�re technically not anyone � at least until we formally launch on July 1st. (There�s also a Latvian political party with the same name � no relation.)

There�s the founder, who is for now running the Twitter account (as identified on a List on the Twitter account itself), and who wrote this temporary/evolving website, who sorted the Moot, and who is working on a first draft of the Constitution, but there are no Members yet because of the process involved in creating the Party and the specific route being taken on that.

There are a number of �Interested Parties� who may become Members � if their trust is earned.

But we want to share that journey every step of the way, openly and honestly.

What is the intention of Harmony?

We are, want to be, or will be:

Democratic � we believe in people, not personal ambition
Inclusive � we celebrate difference of all kinds, including of opinion
Socialist � we believe that inequalities ultimately harm us all
Committed � to compassion, not �pragmatism� and �realpolitik�; we believe those are excuses, not strategy
Open � and transparent
We are committed to openness and transparency. For now, as we have no effective membership, participation is open to everyone who wants to come and have a say.

If you want to specifically state your interest in future membership, you can come declare yourself an interested party in membership on the Party Moot. We�ll mail you when Membership opens!

Later, we plan to implement a �pay as you want� subscription scheme, with members allowed to choose both subscription frequency (the default will be monthly, with steps ranging up to yearly) and value, with a fixed minimum that is yet to be determined � but which will be kept as low as possible to ensure maximum inclusion.

We plan to organise the creation of independent parties to contest elections in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland with the same ethical core & constitution.

The minimum will be dependent on the cost of taking the subscription fee in the first place, so if we find a lower cost way to do that, the subscription floor will fall too.

You can also find us on Twitter and on Facebook.

If you like what we�re trying to do, we would deeply appreciate support in the form of Retweets, Follows, and Likes, and Replies too � we love discussion!

About our funding

We don�t have any yet. We currently expect to be fully funded by the Membership and by small donations, but this is subject to the democratic will of the Membership. Consensus will decide.

About our founder

The founder of the Party is John Urquhart � an absolute �nobody� under-educated underclass disabled person from working class roots (raised �on the Millmead� � an estate in Margate, in Kent � and born in London, in 1984) who had previously been a Labour Party member and voter.

He left the Labour Party twice: first, in 2017, during frustration over rows about antisemitism in the Labour Party that left him dubious that he would be allowed to retain membership, given his views on Israel, apartheid, and a simultaneous desire to actually avoid hurting Jewish people in the crossfire. Rather than be ejected, and angry at the failure of the PLP to stand up for the membership, he cancelled his own.

He however rejoined the the Labour Party as the 2019 election loomed, determined to help out as best he could. The defeat naturally was a deep sting, and, frustrated, he rejected the ballot box route entirely for a while, resolving to become a community organiser, and build from the bottom up instead of from the top down.

This lead to the creation of an �activist consensus�, the Cymbal Society, which held its inaugural meeting on March 6th, but which had already carried out an operation to take �#SoupToStrikers� at the UCU strikes over the previous month � bringing about 50 meals in total to the strikers, with support from local individuals and local businesses alike, plus cakes & music to a very rainy picket line.

In the course of doing this, he met many interesting people � the most interesting perhaps being Jeremy Corbyn, who visited a rally at the picket, causing a great deal of excitement amongst Cardiff�s academic and student population. He missed the speech thanks to widespread chronic pain forcing him home early that day � but managed to talk to the man himself briefly, and thank him for his efforts for the Left, by sheer chance as he was leaving.

During discussions with people about what Cymbal was, and what it wanted to achieve, he was repeatedly told that Cymbal ought to be more political. He disagreed, but not with the underlying concept.

Then, in the aftermath of the election, he finally realised he could no longer support the Labour Party � and in fact had some regrets about putting up with some of the issues of the party for so long without properly speaking up. All of this was confirmed by the Labour Leaks report: the racism he knew was a deep-rooted, institutional problem; the anti-Left sentiment running through the party itself. A the march to the Right seemed as inevitable as it was unacceptable.

We came into being (our first presence was on Twitter, on April 13th 2020) because of the realisation John had that the Labour Party was no longer representative of people like him; it was no longer representative of anything but its donors. The only way, he thought, to solve this problem, was to create something new: something answerable only to its Members.

Us.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:00

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

I mean there are literally precincts of the NYPD who pay their officers to go to Krav Maga classes, which is not an appropriate form to be teaching to what is supposed to be a peacekeeping force.

The problem is that KM is taught to the IDF, and Israeli citizens have national service in the IDF (IIRC). Teaching martial arts classes can be a lucrative sideline. This isn't like saying you learned it from russian or chinese special forces, more like taking a self defence class from an ex army dude at the civic hall.

The trick in making it sound like an antisemitic conspiracy is (at least linguistically) in the conflation of security service (which the IDF is) and secret service (which the IDF isn't, outside of conspiracy theories). A secret service teaching cops sounds like foreign influence, and I get the impression that the people trying to bend this into antisemitism know exactly how the difference will be percieved by the average reader.

Plus everyone treading on eggshells around any mention of Israeli state apparatus.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:05

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

ham on my party dot org.

Or alternatively, hamon party dot org for the lazy jojo reference.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:05

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Our principles are DISCO

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:13

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

thespaceinvader posted:

ham on my party dot org.

Or alternatively, hamon party dot org for the lazy jojo reference.

i like their vampire killing policy but i'm not a fan of them being aristos hmmm

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:17

jaete: Jun 21, 2009; Nap Ghost

Good news on Brexit everyone: Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:22

Shogi: Nov 23, 2004; distant Pohjola

It definitely is more of a divide in experience of the human condition than a nice clean set of boxes like �carer-administrator�. My OP had a sentence about how the split is more about socialisation, education and security, but I deleted it cos I couldn�t get it to hang together properly. This, and more generally my spate of shitposting today, may be related to the unpleasant dental procedure I had to perform on my self earlier because water jets are aerosol-generating and the dentists aren�t fit tested for FFP3. Carer, care thyself

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:22

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Graeber is a big-ideas guy and the interesting part starts about in the middle, where he starts really hammering home the administrator:carer thesis.

When Miftan posted it back in January, I remarked then the idea has some substance but the decade he picks is wrong for imposing a left/right frame, and so his political read goes askew.

It's not that it's nonsense. There is a 'proceduralism' in modernity and progressivism, it is a decades-long social phenomenon, and there is much anarchist literature on it (I like James C Scott on the subject; here is one review). There's a "there" there. But Graeber has basic stylized facts wrong (nurses and teachers: certainly that great new Leave wave?), suggests a great revolt against regulations and paperwork as the core anxiety driving Brexit, and has a questionable core thesis buried halfway down the essay: that the main class dialectic of our age is exactly that great social malaise of regulations and paperwork

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:24

sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

Kate Green in as Shadow Education.

Was in Corbyn's first cabinet but quit to be part of Owen Smith's crew.

Ugh

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:35

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

jaete posted:

Good news on Brexit everyone: Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

What this will probably transpire as is the government puts the laziest possible deal last minute to avoid no deal after a bunch of shouting at Whitehall. Then a bunch of reverse UKIP parties spring up around the craziest possible lines to try to tap into this support, like "we're PIKU and we support free market libertarianism, sex with livestock, and rejoining the European Union" then one of them will attract some decent funding, then the Lib Dems will hop on board, then Starmer will have the excuse to say "if elected, we will hold another loving referendum, Rejoin will win, no progress will be made on social or economic justice, we'll be back where we were in 2016 but on slightly worse terms, and the planet will warm another half a degree.

ronya posted:

suggests a great revolt against regulations and paperwork as the core anxiety driving Brexit

He's only 6 years out, a a great revolt against regulations and paperwork was seen as a core anxiety driving anti New Labour sentiment in 2010, giving the Coalition latitude to push a Great Repeal Bill, a bonfire of Blair and Brown's Bad Bills.

There was a public consultation and everything. On the internet!

And then gently caress all actually came of it.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 17:51

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I feel like a more accurate option for the government is they no deal brexit and the papers write a million articles saying "oh well we mustn't be too harsh actually" and starmer says the government was trying to do the right thing and he will support them in the difficult task of deciding which portion of the population gets fed to the others.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:04

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

Guavanaut posted:

What this will probably transpire as is the government puts the laziest possible deal last minute to avoid no deal after a bunch of shouting at Whitehall. Then a bunch of reverse UKIP parties spring up around the craziest possible lines to try to tap into this support, like "we're PIKU and we support free market libertarianism, sex with livestock, and rejoining the European Union" then one of them will attract some decent funding, then the Lib Dems will hop on board, then Starmer will have the excuse to say "if elected, we will hold another loving referendum, Rejoin will win, no progress will be made on social or economic justice, we'll be back where we were in 2016 but on slightly worse terms, and the planet will warm another half a degree.

7/10 remainer fanfiction, no hashtag

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:07

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Guavanaut posted:

He's only 6 years out, a a great revolt against regulations and paperwork was seen as a core anxiety driving anti New Labour sentiment in 2010, giving the Coalition latitude to push a Great Repeal Bill, a bonfire of Blair and Brown's Bad Bills.

There was a public consultation and everything. On the internet!

And then gently caress all actually came of it.

But it wasn't the Bad Bills about New Labour's 'ealth and 'afety, or New Labour's embrace of consultations and processes and oversight - that thusly spawn the morass of paperwork encumbering capital-c Carers - but the Bad Bills of New Labour's authoritarian streak, the ones which made civil libertarians nervous

We have to move to more recent events to see Barmy Brussel Bureaucrat's Bendy Bananas Ban actually crystallize into a political moment against regulatory overreach and intrusion

Hard to spin that movement as pro-Carers though

ronya fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 27, 2020

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:07

Shogi: Nov 23, 2004; distant Pohjola

The general idea that there are tensions in British society about whether bureaucracy is a Confucianist reflection of celestial order, a blizzard of red tape constraining honest yeomen or something in between is a good one, I think. Just not sure about some of the conclusions Graeber seems to draw about voting patterns in 2019

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:25

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

But it wasn't the Bad Bills about New Labour's 'ealth and 'afety, or New Labour's embrace of consultations and processes and oversight - that thusly spawn the morass of paperwork encumbering capital-c Carers - but the Bad Bills of New Labour's authoritarian streak, the ones which made civil libertarians nervous

We have to move to more recent events to see Barmy Brussel Bureaucrat's Bendy Bananas Ban actually crystallize into a political moment against regulatory overreach and intrusion

I have the feeling that what Cameron and Clegg wanted to do in 2010 was take both the honest concerns about overstepping re: crime, punishment, terror, and ASBOs by civil libertarians and the dishonest concerns by large amounts of the press (you can't even disturb an egg now Stu, you can't even have a box of cornflakes on your narrowboat without a grain officer, it's mad, you can't even sell a grey squirrel, what next Stu, no cats?) and use that as a vector to scrap H&S laws about worker safety cutting into dynamic and viable profits just because someone might lose a hand.

So perhaps it's good that what they ended up doing was gently caress all, but they certainly capitalized on it at the time.

EU are coming for your vacuum cleaners was a press thing during the referendum, but I'm not sure how much it really shifted the narrative.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:36

Small Strange Bird: Sep 22, 2006; Merci, chaton!

jaete posted:

Good news on Brexit everyone: Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

Bit late now, FFS.

Is there anyone who doesn't think we're going to crash out with no-deal through a combination of both malice and incompetence?

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:37

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Payndz posted:

Bit late now, FFS.

Is there anyone who doesn't think we're going to crash out with no-deal through a combination of both malice and incompetence?

Me. I think it's just malice and possibly some "I'm gonna make a ton of money off this"

# ? Jun 27, 2020 18:46

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

jaete posted:

Good news on Brexit everyone: Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:00

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

If we crash out no deal (which I'm still split on given Johnson's ideological cowardice to decisions that might make people dislike him) then we'll still get a bunch of pisslib rejoiner parties ruining poo poo UKIP style based on this news, the only difference is that they might have a point, which is perhaps worse.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:06

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

Vitamin P posted:

"won't vote against the tories" is a new level of wanker congrats

i don't think doing "vote blue no matter who" but for labour is very useful tbh.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:07

nurmie: Dec 8, 2019

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Another new political party:

https://harmonyparty.org.uk/

Looked around their social media and chatted with the founder on their Moot. First impressions is that they seem much cooler than that other XR-aligned party mentioned upthread. Also, some interesting ideas floated. So I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic and be watchfully waiting, so to speak

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:08

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

gh0stpinballa posted:

i don't think doing "vote blue no matter who" but for labour is very useful tbh.

Alas, you have found Vitamin P's area of expertise, not being very useful

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:38

Cthulwho: Aug 31, 2009

sebzilla posted:

Kate Green in as Shadow Education.

Was in Corbyn's first cabinet but quit to be part of Owen Smith's crew.

Ugh

It's kinda mind-blowing that he thinks he's being sly here.

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:39

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Cthulwho posted:

It's kinda mind-blowing that he thinks he's being sly here.

Who's saying he thinks that or that he's trying to be sly?

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:48

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

is there an easier job in the UK than political pundit?

https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1276432784127602688?s=20

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:51

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

stats for lefties has gone full brainworms and is boosting starmer

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:52

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# ? May 28, 2024 18:18

Shogi: Nov 23, 2004; distant Pohjola

Who actually believes Starmer is a �leftie� lol. He gets a ridiculous amount of credit for nominative determinism being named after Hardie and all, but your parents don�t mean that much in politics - cf. Ralph Miliband

# ? Jun 27, 2020 19:55

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