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enjeti is very fash and like tucker carlson if he makes a "good point" you can easily just find someone else who's not a fascist making the same point
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Juul-Whip posted:enjeti is very fash and like tucker carlson if he makes a "good point" you can easily just find someone else who's not a fascist making the same point Thanks for pointing out these other sources for all of us to learn from.
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Wasabi the J posted:Thanks for pointing out these other sources for all of us to learn from.
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i believe i was the one back in august who mentioned the 9/11 put options and chicago exchange itt
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In fact, Ehud Barak’s relationship was probably the reason Epstein got nabbed in NY. He was going into the Israeli elections against the beleaguered, corrupt-as-all-gently caress Netanyahu, who had a lot of relations to the SDNY. After Epstein got nabbed, Israeli media (the vast majority of which is friendly to Netanyahu) went ham on the Barak-Epstein relationship. This is also notable because Israeli media was largely the only media to do so. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...eaner-1.7489402
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Sagaar is fashy? I only ever see him during Krystal's isolated segments on YouTube and he seems to usually be agreeing with her. What's his deal then?
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I’m still waiting on some examples of Sagaar being a fascist.
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Saagar used to work for Tucker Carlson and is trying to become a Carlson Jr. He is quite fashy. "The Hill Rising" is a new version of "Crossfire" run by "The Hill" which is largely a neo-niberal rag. Krystal often makes good points on their youtube show, in fact it's extremely refreshing to see someone behind a news desk expound her points of view. But since they seem to agree all the time, the central thrust of the show seems to be "Hey, the anti-corporate left and the anti-corporate right need to hold hands in coalition, because that's worked real well in the past." I didn't criticize the goon who posted the video, nor are the points made in the video wrong, nor do you have to discount the points made on the show because Saagar is a poo poo-head. But it's a good idea to be wary of right-wingers when they "I agree with you, Epstein didn't kill himself." They aren't interested in solutions that involve dismantling the power structures that require people like Epstein to continue functioning. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/06/isnt-right-wing-populism-just-fascism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA-cdz_CYqw
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/06/isnt-right-wing-populism-just-fascism I stand corrected, thanks. 
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A4R8 posted:I stand corrected, thanks. You're quite welcome. If anyone wants better sources, Whitney Webb is always invaluable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGtDj8drWvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kItJSpQeyCg
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gh0stpinballa posted:i believe i was the one back in august who mentioned the 9/11 put options and chicago exchange itt You honestly might have been the one who discussed the Chicago connections, but the podcast I'm thinking of is this one: https://quoththeraven.podbean.com/e/quoth-the-raven-146-whitney-webb-blows-the-lid-off-epsteinclinton-orwellian-gun-control-and-911/ Turns out she's been on that show a few times, that was just the one I had listened to. https://quoththeraven.podbean.com/?s=whitney+webb The Atomic Man-Boy posted:You're quite welcome. Thanks for this, I missed the second part after they took a month to post it.
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gh0stpinballa posted:i believe i was the one back in august who mentioned the 9/11 put options i love how these plus all that DoD money going missing happened the day before lol
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:In fact, Ehud Barak’s relationship was probably the reason Epstein got nabbed in NY. He was going into the Israeli elections against the beleaguered, corrupt-as-all-gently caress Netanyahu, who had a lot of relations to the SDNY. If Ghislaine was a Mossad asset, what made Israel suddenly decide to throw a huge part of the pedo ring under the bus by drawing attention to it?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:If Ghislaine was a Mossad asset, what made Israel suddenly decide to throw a huge part of the pedo ring under the bus by drawing attention to it? Multiple posters have been saying this all is some kind of internecine conflict between different factions of the ruling class. I mean poo poo it's in the post you quoted - bibi won't have a problem throwing his opponent under the bus if it means he gets to keep power. If you think they 1) care about collateral damage all of a sudden or 2) actually believe that ok, yeah, this is the one and only instance ever where we will actually face repercussions for our actions, idk what else to tell you. The only people who even went down over this are expendable cutouts like epstein - wexner's still the richest man in ohio, ghislaine is still walking free, even that bastard randy bowie who wexner kept around apparently just to intimidate and murder children is will smith's bodyguard right now. I guess my question is what negative effects do you think drawing attention to this has had/will have on this operation?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:If Ghislaine was a Mossad asset, what made Israel suddenly decide to throw a huge part of the pedo ring under the bus by drawing attention to it? That makes the assumption that Isreal and the Mossad are somehow cohesive organizations with common goals. This was posted a few pages up, but there was a good summation of Historian Carol Quigley's arguments in The Yankee and Cowboy War: "The arguments for a conspiracy theory are indeed often dismissed on the grounds that no one conspiracy could possibly control everything. But that is not what this theory sets out to show. Quigley is not saying that modern history is the invention of an esoteric cabal designing events omnipotently to suit its ends. The implicit claim, on the contrary, is that a multitude of conspiracies contend in the night. Clandestinism is not the usage of a handful of rogues, it is a formalized practice of an entire class in which a thousand hands spontaneously join. Conspiracy is the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means." Broadly, politicians, intelligence services, financiers and corporations consist of petty actors with petty squabbles and have different interests and will often go after each other to stay on top, even against members of the same class or organization. The only consistent belief amongst them is that they deserve power, money and influence and you don't. An investor in manufacturing might bribe a politician for weaker environmental regulations, so they can dump sludge anywhere, while a real-estate investor might bribe a politician for tougher regulations, so he can rent condos to tenants who desire sludge-free living, but both would lobby the government for upper-class tax breaks and a lower minimum wage. Netanyahu, Barak and the Mossad might agree that Palestinians are sub-human, but one faced losing office and potentially going to prison. It's not much of a stretch that he would throw the others under the bus to stay prime minister.
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Gonna be a lame nerd for bringing up anime but Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex touches on this. There are competing government organizations and companies with illicit goals waging wars with eachother and cooperating when necessary. Normal people are the collateral damage. I want more fiction that portrays power structures as being seperate tribes of psychopaths who share a common hatred of us all.
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Regulus74 posted:You honestly might have been the one who discussed the Chicago connections, but the podcast I'm thinking of is this one: gonna have a listen to these
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Elderbean posted:Gonna be a lame nerd for bringing up anime but Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex touches on this. There are competing government organizations and companies with illicit goals waging wars with eachother and cooperating when necessary. Normal people are the collateral damage. That's why SAC was a masterpiece and the other series were trash.
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There's a lot of poo poo in SAC that's relevant today. Particularly the obfuscation of the truth through the sheer vastness of the internet, and communities fragmenting and radicalizing because of it.
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Elderbean posted:There's a lot of poo poo in SAC that's relevant today. Particularly the obfuscation of the truth through the sheer vastness of the internet, and communities fragmenting and radicalizing because of it. Yeah the future is bleak. Don't even have a cyber brain for my troubles. Remember America split into 3 in SAC
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Elderbean posted:I want more fiction that portrays power structures as being seperate tribes of psychopaths who share a common hatred of us all. Early Game of Thrones
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Early Game of Thrones Yeah, totally, then it went to hell.
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Are the books worth reading? Good opinion havers responses only please
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Are the books worth reading? Good opinion havers responses only please I stopped at one point because I was just swamped with work and I've been mixed about revisiting them. They felt fresh at the time, but given the cultural juggernaut the show ended up being and how it ended up influencing other shows (arguably for the worse) I don't know if they would be worth the time now, but I think that's from being put off by the shows decline. The books generally do a better job of enforcing their themes than the show and they're still ongoing, so GRRM doesn't have to commit to that poo poo ending. Elderbean has issued a correction as of 06:04 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Are the books worth reading? Good opinion havers responses only please Of course! The books were so good they were the reason the world was excited to see where the story was headed. Nearly all the good parts of the show were taken from the books verbatim. The problem is the books just abruptly stop, leaving all the mysteries of why things are happening unrevealed. A hundred different plot threads flying loose in the breeze. Hundreds of characters you've carefully learned that never find their purpose. Of course the show tried to cash in by continuing past the books with different writers. Then the rich sexpest producers said gently caress it and started making all the decision themselves and did worse at everything than seems possible. Every decision made about the whole S8 production was indefensible. Amateur hour on a billion dollar budget. It's not one of those shows where you can still enjoy the early parts, because every character's arc depends on the resolution of mysteries that we now know totally suck. Watching late GOT retroactively ruins all the early characters, as it will ruin the books for you if you've already read them. Like, ruined so bad that the biggest media cultural phenomenon I can remember just stopped being a conversation topic instantly. The world just preferred to totally forget it. Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 05:56 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Are the books worth reading? Good opinion havers responses only please In my opinion, yes, I love the books, including the spin-offs. They're not perfect, but there's enough that even the weakest (Dance with Dragons) kept me engaged throughout. And they're way better at portraying complex politics and human characters than the show.
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Also, what pieces of fiction, particularly movies or shows, really nail the hosed-up sexual appetites of the elite? You Were Never Really Here Eyes Wide Shut Society Altered Carbon True Detective 8MM Ex Machina (Not the sole focus of the movie, but a rich guy creates sentient robots and fucks them) Kill List Elderbean has issued a correction as of 06:05 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Elderbean posted:You Were Never Really Here
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Oh yeah 8MM. hosed up. Also Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?
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thanks for the opinions. I need a thicc book or two for the next shutdown Elderbean posted:Also, what pieces of fiction, particularly movies or shows, really nail the hosed-up sexual appetites of the elite? Loose-ish fits: The Invitation Would You Rather Cheap Thrills
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Oh yeah, the second Ghost in the Shell movie is entirely about the yakuza putting copies of kids brains into sexdolls.
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Elderbean posted:Oh yeah, the second Ghost in the Shell movie is entirely about the yakuza putting copies of kids brains into sexdolls. So they stretched out one episode of SAC into a movie?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Of course! The books were so good they were the reason the world was excited to see where the story was headed. Nearly all the good parts of the show were taken from the books verbatim. the show phenomena is pretty funny tbh but yeah if you just stick to the books george rr martin is pretty good at writing fantasy (even if he's also pretty bad at finishing it)
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he's helping write the new Fromsoft game which tbh is way more important than a song of ice and fire
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MonsieurChoc posted:They're not perfect, but there's enough that even the weakest (Dance with Dragons) kept me engaged throughout. It was the fourth book, A Feast for Crows, that I found interminable. One thing that works for and against the series is the POV style of narrative. You end up preferring certain characters passages and dreading others. The first three books contain all relevant points of view simultaneously while 4 and 5 split the characters between them so there is no Tyrion in 4, no Arya in 5, etc. but they are happening concurrently. Some things recur so often they become jokes. The endless descriptions of food. Lots of old man horniness. Words are wind. Overall I recommend the books if you can find a way to avoid ever getting into the show. e: in the Epstein thread? I guess I see how we got here Littlefinger is basically the Epstein of GoT. maybe more Ghislaine Maxwell when I think about it, he himself never really seems to gently caress, it’s more the deception, curious rise to prominence, and corrupting further the annals of power that is Epstein esque Harold Stassen has issued a correction as of 12:40 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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maxwell hosed, it's all over the court docs and Maria Farmer's story ASOIAF is good, worth reading if you enjoy fantasy at all and maybe even if you don't. Just find the boiled leather version that combines the last two books so everything is chronological. Elderbean posted:Also, what pieces of fiction, particularly movies or shows, really nail the hosed-up sexual appetites of the elite? The Red Riding mini series EDIT: The Tall Man might count too although it essentially has a pro trafficking message and I think it's from the same guy who did Martyrs which is more about the torture/murder aspect of the cabal. Yasuomi Umetsu's Kite OVA definitely nails the hosed up sexual appetites of elites and cops but it does so by showing everything. Regulus74 has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Feats for Crows is actually my favourite book, just a bleak look at how commoners got hosed by the aristocracy.
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Elderbean posted:Also, what pieces of fiction, particularly movies or shows, really nail the hosed-up sexual appetites of the elite? The Counselor, not in sex but in the relationship ‘normal’ people have to real power
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Wasabi the J posted:So they stretched out one episode of SAC into a movie? the movie is a lot better
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