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Jose posted:johnson accepting whatever deal the EU ultimately offers works for him because it avoids just how hosed things are going to get with no deal, he's implemented brexit and we can all move on from it. I'm not saying he's going to do it and think no deal is happening but its really not embarrassing for him except with the true loonies to take a deal You say "EU ultimately offers", isn't the deadline for that in, like, literally a week? As in, to get anything at all done by end of year, it would have to be presented to all EU countries in the next big EU summit in July, or something like that? See - I used to be on top of all this poo poo, but now none of the media has been talking about any of it since December and I've been too lazy to search for better info... it's not even the coronavirus, it's that media is all dumb cowardly cunts that suck and they never tell you about important things
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jaete posted:You say "EU ultimately offers", isn't the deadline for that in, like, literally a week? 3 days to request any extension, trade deal agreed by November 26.
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That weird aimless, hollow feeling that comes with having to do war crimes in a private capacity
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peanut- posted:That weird aimless, hollow feeling that comes with having to do war crimes in a private capacity That's just sad. He's basically just a professional opinion-haver now, isn't he? What does he actually do?
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Jose posted:can definitely see Haircut dealing with this You'd think that "under your own standards you literally wouldn't be here in the first place, let alone PM, so who the gently caress are you to dictate immigration policy" would be an easy line against Patel, but I'm sure that Captain Spreadsheets would ignore that or literally any personal attack lines whatsoever in favour of making endless grovelling apologies for Labour's conduct instead.
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peanut- posted:That weird aimless, hollow feeling that comes with having to do war crimes in a private capacity am distressed by that unbuttoned shirt.
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jaete posted:You say "EU ultimately offers", isn't the deadline for that in, like, literally a week? namesake posted:3 days to request any extension, trade deal agreed by November 26.
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They've got until the end of the month to negotiate an extension, which they will fail to do, then July will be a period of 'extensive negotiations', which may take the form of every industry in the country calling Johnson an idiot pugfucker until he folds.Jose posted:can definitely see Haircut dealing with this
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I've come to the realisation than Keir Starmer's head is too big for his face. Too much head on him. Not enough face.
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Guavanaut posted:They've got until the end of the month to negotiate an extension, which they will fail to do, then July will be a period of 'extensive negotiations', which may take the form of every industry in the country calling Johnson an idiot pugfucker until he folds. My point is though, what does "he folds" mean? By then it will be far too late to do literally anything about anything - regardless of any folding or anything else by anyone
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My understanding is that the last chance to extend the dropping out period is the end of this month. He won't do that and will continue barreling towards no deal, but negotiations continue as to what Britain exits on. Johnson keeps going on about exiting on an 'Australia deal', i.e. no formal trade agreement, but either way it looks like the decade is going to be full of rejoin movements.
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jaete posted:My point is though, what does "he folds" mean? Well the EU would still like to have uninterrupted trade with the UK just so they don't have to have even more of a trade shock right now but won't want to sacrifice their position of total advantage in being able to offer the UK nothing in return. Forcing the UK to be a rule taker to maintain trade flow is pretty likely, maybe with some sort of framework for sectoral divergence (with final EU approval) or around things that have to have new requirements created like fishing to give the pretence that the UK can set it's own policies to make trade agreements with other countries. The ERG will vote against it but chances are they're powerless in this parliament.
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Yeah he'll probably take whatever's given while singing Australiaaaaa the whole way, UK will be a rule taker on a worse deal, BXP will scream about 'BRINO' but nobody will care, EU SuperGirl will get a Christmas number 1 with a video of her wiping her arse on the International Slavery Museum, and nothing is ever done about addressing actual wealth inequality.
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The rejoin campaigns are going to be Twitter people wanting to make it be 2012 (when politics didn't matter to anyone and it was the best everything ever was ever ever ever!!!) again, aren't they
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I worry it's going to draw young people who would be better served by economic leftism.
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OwlFancier posted:I worry it's going to draw young people who would be better served by economic leftism. just need to make eu supergirl front and centre
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lmao on so many levels https://twitter.com/KlezmerRouge/status/1276855727349473281?s=20
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namesake posted:Well the EU would still like to have uninterrupted trade with the UK just so they don't have to have even more of a trade shock right now but won't want to sacrifice their position of total advantage in being able to offer the UK nothing in return. Forcing the UK to be a rule taker to maintain trade flow is pretty likely, maybe with some sort of framework for sectoral divergence (with final EU approval) or around things that have to have new requirements created like fishing to give the pretence that the UK can set it's own policies to make trade agreements with other countries. The ERG will vote against it but chances are they're powerless in this parliament. The details of this deal would all have to be ratified by each EU country, through their parliaments, right? That's where the end of June (or whatever) deadline comes from - there is simply very little time left to get anything agreed before end of year I hope you're right and the worst of the stupidity of no deal is averted, but you're basically saying that the EU will offer the UK this deal sometime within the next I dunno, three days, which, uh... I remain skeptical
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Bangy and “clashical” you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPTCq3LiZSE Comes from an expansion about a venusian slave labour force rebelling against the corporate masters who have literally been amputating parts of their bodies if they don't work hard enough. This other one is also great and gave me a full on identity crisis during this bit of the game. It turns out you were secretly an anime princess the whole time, and after saying 'this is who you are' it drops into a character creator about 50-100 hours into the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEiTgU-hM5k The main drawback is that the composer is called Keith Power  GazChap posted:But who is this Scott Atlas chap? And Dr Lee for that matter. Are they actually respected science bods, or are they (as I suspect) bought and paid for, as it would appear is the case for Karol Sikora?
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Harking back to the Yugoslavia question for a moment, anything that Catherine Baker has written on either ex-YU or Europe is worth reading but Race and the Yugoslav Region: Post -Socialist, post-conflict, postcolonial? is especially relevant. Her blog is also very good, if you are short on money or time. Hariz Halilovich's Places of Pain is more about the experience of Europe and abroad from the viewpoint of refugees from the Srebrenica and the rest of the Podrinje, and the way in which they recreate their communities through collective remembrance of an emotional homeland. Hijacked Justice by Jelena Subotić focuses on the relationship between the post-Yugoslav states and the EU and International Community, and their attempts to use war crimes investigation and prosecution to display themselves as proper candidates for EU membership, rather than bring justice to the victims. There's a good collection, Welcome to the Desert of Post-Socialism by Srećko Horvat and Igor Štiks about dealing with the fallout of the war and the disastrous imposition of neoliberal capitalism and crony capitalism. It's more optimistic about the future than I am tbh. Sabrina P. Ramet and Vesna Goldsworthy are two very different writers with very different approaches, but both worth checking out. And Cees Wiebes' Intelligence and the War in Bosnia 1992-1995 is extremely interesting about weirdness behind the scenes, which may be why it seems impossible to find these days. Although Amazon claim to have a copy for £3,765.99 plus postage and packing. And finally please enjoy Sateliti, who are still going and are maybe the slickest and most professional band around in this style of music (Bosanska izvorna, playing in Srebrenica shortly after it was declared a 'safe area'. Neither bangy nor clashical I'm afraid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZGzB5UFMcM
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:That's just sad. He's basically just a professional opinion-haver now, isn't he? What does he actually do? He just runs around taking photos with the worst cunts in the world and laundering rulling class opinion as centrist takes through his institute. Oh and he has a massive buy to let empire.
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OwlFancier posted:I worry it's going to draw young people who would be better served by economic leftism. It's an ideal bit of inter-elite conflict to try and manipulate Zoomer vigor for bourgeois ends.
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ronya posted:there's often very little literature in postcolonial countries that is set in the interregnum between the initial national awakening and dash to independence (with the exception of India). It can be before, or after, but that period in between... someone in secondhand time says 'we all live in different countries, even though they're all russia.' milanovic complains that in inter alia svetlana alexievich's work he cant find accounts of 'long dinners discussing politics, women and nations, long Summer vacations, foreign travel, languid sunsets, whole-night concerts, epic soccer games, girls in mini-skirts, the smell of the new apartment in which my family moved, excitement of new books and of buying my favorite weekly on the evening before the day when it would hit the stands'. from memory, it's true you'd be hard pressed to find much in the accounts of the soviet afghan conflict or chernobyl*. but in secondhand time there's plenty of nostalgia about the pre- shocktherapy times and it's the opposite of victors writing the history; it's history from below (much like this thread). *anyone know if the director of chernobyl ever publicly mentioned his debt to alexievich?
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jaete posted:The details of this deal would all have to be ratified by each EU country, through their parliaments, right? That's where the end of June (or whatever) deadline comes from - there is simply very little time left to get anything agreed before end of year No the deadline for the end of the month is about extending negotiations - on July 1st we're leaving on 1st Jan with or without a deal. The deal can still be negotiated until November where they then have to go to the parliaments for approval or there's definitely no deal.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, there's definitely going to be a concerted effort to make rejoining the eu the hip new thing to care about rather than affordable housing or welfare. Personally, I don’t see really how it is likely to be possible to have affordable housing and welfare without some kind of viable economic relationship with the rest of the world. It’s all very well to demand the impossible, but that only works when there is something similar it _is_ possible to get.
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radmonger posted:Personally, I don’t see really how it is likely to be possible to have affordable housing and welfare without some kind of viable economic relationship with the rest of the world. Lol if we end up having to take socioeconomic lessons from Cuba. Also, this is magnificent: https://twitter.com/bencsmoke/status/1277164899509194752?s=21
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radmonger posted:Personally, I don’t see really how it is likely to be possible to have affordable housing and welfare without some kind of viable economic relationship with the rest of the world. The rejoin movement won't be about any of the economic benefits or demerits of EU membership (on the surface anyway) it'll all be surface level garbage about remember how we weren't at all racist before we left the EU, which is also very not racist, remember the Olympic opening ceremony (but not the homeless and undesirables we bused out).
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Guavanaut posted:We will have a viable economic relationship with the rest of the world because it'll be through whatever lazy deal Johnson accepts last minute. That's certainly one assumption. The other, possibly more rational, assumption is that if we don't leave with no deal then Boris will regrettably have dined on a polonium salad before 2021 ends.
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Jedit posted:That's certainly one assumption. The other, possibly more rational, assumption is that if we don't leave with no deal then Boris will regrettably have dined on a polonium salad before 2021 ends. Don't tempt me with a good time.
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I think that events can be easily explained by Johnson's pathological laziness and aversion to good governance and actual work without needing any Cigarette Smoking Men in the background. I'm sure that there's boring conspiracies of greed and blackmail going on but there's a bunch of them on the pro-EU side as well as the anti-EU side (assuming "we will be fully hosed if we leave without a deal and will be forced to stop donating to the Tory dinner fund" is a conspiracy).
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i dunno if this is the correct opinion but after the Reading knife attacks i get so loving pissed off seeing politicians and random people with stupid titles like "lord of berkshire" or whatever giving empty speeches about how stabbing people is bad. these wankers can gently caress off and let family talk about loved ones at a memorial
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Jedit posted:That's certainly one assumption. The other, possibly more rational, assumption is that if we don't leave with no deal then Boris will regrettably have dined on a polonium salad before 2021 ends. Nah, there's never been a decent link that Russia has done anything other than opportunistic shitstirring when our internal politics has gone bonkers. They've got some personal links to MPs and things like that but I don't see there being any sort of revenge motive against Johnson for not Brexiting. The EU getting another semi-external relationship with a neighbouring country like Switzerland or Turkey is not solving any problems for the EU either so they won't be unhappy with the outcome anyway.
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Breath Ray posted:someone in secondhand time says 'we all live in different countries, even though they're all russia.' I mean, the issue with people remembering that things were OK for them is that usually for a lot of people they are, and that’s capable of being true under any system and at any time, whatever else is going on. Alongside all the scar literature about the cultural revolution and the lived memories in some places of dealing with famine during the Great Leap Forward, there are also people who remember the same period in positive terms because nothing all that bad happened to them or their families. Doesn’t mean the other stuff didn’t happen. I’m not sure it’s erasure so much as it is that the lurid and horrible stories are a lot more interesting.
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The last few weeks have been pretty intense in the my CLP. We've had numeorus BAME members complain about racism within the local party whilst several (white) members have been talking about how it's all nonsense. This all came to a head when a member sent a tweet about Churchill from our Black Jewish chair person into the local paper leading to a barrage of death threats and her leaving the party. At the same time this was all blowing up the labour candidate tweeted about how great Churchill was. I've also found out recently there's person who is regularly spouting TERF talking points which I've been trying to combat, but I do worry that being the cis-straight-white guy that I am it probably just comes across as mansplaining. Honestly having a hard time engauging with politics now, especially since the election. Not quite ready to jack in my subs just yet, but I honestly am feeling more and more like we've lost our chance to build a better country, for this generation at least. I did manage to get a weird american boardgame designer who I met at a London meetup to delete me from facebook for saying I was antifa, which was nice.
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As far as I understand it, mansplaining is the act of talking over a woman about an area in which she has superior knowledge without invitation or as part of a debate. She has knowledge of her own lived experience as a ciswoman, but that doesn’t mean that you arguing for fundamental human rights for trans people is mansplaining to her.
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You could also raise the rather valid point about how getting the government to ban people who don't look feminine enough from bathrooms is helping women. Same applies to hijab bans IMO, nothing more feminist than the government mandating women show more skin. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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