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Untrustable
Mar 17, 2009





canyoneer posted:

"Fella, I might be eating you if this pond wasn't so gross looking. If someone weirder than me comes along, you might not be so lucky next time"

Usually it's just, "stop biting the tails off my bass bait, you bluegill motherfucker." I have a pole rigged up just for catching annoying bluegill.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

FlamingLiberal posted:

-States have also reopened too fast without really listening to health officials. A lot of public health officials have either resigned in protest or been fired because they were not saying the 'right' things about the spread of the virus

Not to mention “resigned because they got death threats”.

Mumbling
Feb 7, 2015

A few months ago I was so happy to live in a blue state, but I’ve since come to realize that in the US all that means is that slightly more people wear masks. We’re in our phase 3 of re-opening so :shrug:

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The Onion is reposting this every week.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1275091049019473923

Nitr0
Aug 17, 2005

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

Mumbling posted:

A few months ago I was so happy to live in a blue state, but I’ve since come to realize that in the US all that means is that slightly more people wear masks. We’re in our phase 3 of re-opening so :shrug:

Unite America bro.

I don’t think the us has been this weird for a long time. I feel like it’s the anti science mantra for some people and they can’t escape. What else explains it?

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

News just in: world is a gently caress



Spazzle posted:

It is not nearly 5%

It's complicated so I'll walk you through the math:

(500,000/10,000,000)*100 = 5%

e: lemme know if you need more steps

DickParasite fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Jun 28, 2020

Untrustable
Mar 17, 2009





I've accepted my fate and now am just dedicating as much time as possible to appreciating my wife, calling my folks, and going fishing. There is a nice little pond on the back half of my grandpa's property that has good-sized bass in it. I like to sit on the bank and just throw a line. No people. No cars. No casinos. Just me and the pond. I'm tired y'all. I won't be back in this thread. Too depressing. I'll be at the pond.

Toucan Sam
Sep 2, 2000

Untrustable posted:

I've accepted my fate and now am just dedicating as much time as possible to appreciating my wife, calling my folks, and going fishing. There is a nice little pond on the back half of my grandpa's property that has good-sized bass in it. I like to sit on the bank and just throw a line. No people. No cars. No casinos. Just me and the pond. I'm tired y'all. I won't be back in this thread. Too depressing. I'll be at the pond.

Good luck with everything, take care.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Gone ponding

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I'd like to take a good ponding sometimes too

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

DickParasite posted:

It's complicated so I'll walk you through the math:

(500,000/10,000,000)*100 = 5%

e: lemme know if you need more steps

He's saying we have very good statistical evidence that the 10,000,000 infected number is a vast under-estimate, we know for a fact from serology that it is common to have had the virus and not be included in the infected statistics. deaths are also likely to be under reported, but because "death" is a more severe situation than "a bit o a sniffle" or "completely fine thanks", people dead from pneumonia are more likely to be tested than the never-symptomatic infected we know to exist in large numbers.

We don't know the exact magnitude of this difference so the ACTUAL death rate is indeed impossible to accurately determine, but it is less than 5%


Edit: it is also much MUCH more deadly in the elderly and those with certain pre-existing conditions, so "population death rate" and "chance of a specific poster dying if they are infected" are also not the same thing.

Fatkraken fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Jun 28, 2020

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

As the dead pile up around us.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Fatkraken posted:

people dead from pneumonia are more likely to be tested

not in trump's america lmao

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Fatkraken posted:

He's saying we have very good statistical evidence that the 10,000,000 infected number is a vast under-estimate, we know for a fact from serology that it is common to have had the virus and not be included in the infected statistics. deaths are also likely to be under reported, but because "death" is a more severe situation than "a bit o a sniffle" or "completely fine thanks", people dead from pneumonia are more likely to be tested than the never-symptomatic infected we know to exist in large numbers.

We don't know the exact magnitude of this difference so the ACTUAL death rate is indeed impossible to accurately determine, but it is less than 5%


Edit: it is also much MUCH more deadly in the elderly and those with certain pre-existing conditions, so "population death rate" and "chance of a specific poster dying if they are infected" are also not the same thing.

we also don't know if it can reoccur and if so how soon after or if reoccurrence will be worse then the initial. This has a tendency to give you a pre-existing condition even if it doesn't kill you.

Really though a nation with a lower CFR tends to be one ahead in testing so the at risk don't get it. Guess what we don't do?

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I would like to see the petri dish test with the guy wearing the mask over his mouth but not his nose.

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

The CFR of Iceland, which did pretty extensive testing and had a low case count, is 0,5%. So that's a nice estimate of a best case scenario.

France has a CFR just below 20%, but they've tested 21K / million, which is pretty low.
Denmark has a pretty high test coverage of 172K / million, and a CFR of 5%.
Sweden has 8% CFR and 40 K / million tests.
UK has a 14% CFR and 133K / million tests.

With CFR all over the place, we don't really have a good idea yet. Countries are counting deaths differently. But nothing indicates a massive fall in CFR from high test coverage. *Anyone* can get a test in Denmark for free, and we're still at 5% CFR.

The US is at a 5% CFR now. Nothing we've seen in other countries indicate that this goes down as case counts go up. It goes down once the number of new cases is low. Every prior experience with the epidemic from other countries indicate that we're seeing thousands of future deaths being added to the US "backlog" deaths every single day. I really hope new case counts start going down soon, because out-of-control Covid-19 in the US, apart from the tragedy of unnecessary human life by itself, heralds troubled times for the rest of the world as well.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

How do the “covid is a dem hoax” chuds reconcile this with trump canceling campaign rallies due to covid

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




bird with big dick posted:

How do the “covid is a dem hoax” chuds reconcile this with trump canceling campaign rallies due to covid

deep state

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The answer is “doublethink”.

The average person doesn’t have trouble holding beliefs that contradict each other.

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

bird with big dick posted:

How do the “covid is a dem hoax” chuds reconcile this with trump canceling campaign rallies due to covid

They have 2 brains like the dinosaurs. The thoughts never actually touch so it isn't gay cognitive dissonance.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


bird with big dick posted:

How do the “covid is a dem hoax” chuds reconcile this with trump canceling campaign rallies due to covid

The need to further arm themselves and be at the ready to suppress the Antifa-ruled Dems that are preventing the President from doing his job.

neamp
Jun 24, 2003
I think CFR is strongly influenced by the amount of testing you do during the peak of the outbreak when most infections occur. In most European countries testing was insufficient early on so most non severe cases were missed. Then testing was ramped up but now most tests are negative so they contribute few new cases while inflating the number of total tests per million.
In Russia the outbreak was delayed and when it took off they had enough testing capacity to track it, so they currently show a CFR of like 1.4%, a tenth of the UK with the about the same number of tests per million inhabitants.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

neamp posted:

I think CFR is strongly influenced by the amount of testing you do during the peak of the outbreak when most infections occur. In most European countries testing was insufficient early on so most non severe cases were missed. Then testing was ramped up but now most tests are negative so they contribute few new cases while inflating the number of total tests per million.
In Russia the outbreak was delayed and when it took off they had enough testing capacity to track it, so they currently show a CFR of like 1.4%, a tenth of the UK with the about the same number of tests per million inhabitants.

Also to manage the pandemic numbers they were throwing doctors out of 3rd floor windows

I mean they were throwing themselves out, after disappointing Mother Russia

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Aw found it:


Mine doesn't have a filter either, what do I need to google ? It's an SGE 150 and apparently takes abek (?) filters.

I'll never have the balls to wear that thing in public but I'd rather have it just in case.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.


If you don’t see it, it can’t hurt you

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:


If you don’t see it, it can’t hurt you

I assume its something like this lol
https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Joo_Janta_200_Super-Chromatic_Peril_Sensitive_Sunglasses

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:


If you don’t see it, it can’t hurt you

I mean, I literally wear one of those every night, it's easier than hanging blackout curtains (apartment lyfe :sigh:)?

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
In that case you should probably buy an actual sleep mask rather than trying to repurpose a surgical mask, they're way more comfortable.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

Schadenboner posted:

I mean, I literally wear one of those every night, it's easier than hanging blackout curtains (apartment lyfe :sigh:)?

I used an actual sleep mask until I put up blackout curtains.

Also wear a loving mask in crowded places.

EDIT: OVER YOUR NOSE AND MOUTH. Jesus....

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
It doesn't look big enough to be an actual mask though?

E: Although most of the sleep masks I've seen have a nose groove cut out, maybe the masky part is super scrunched-up?

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
It's scrunched up. It's a face mask.

Setset
Apr 14, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Schadenboner posted:

I mean, I literally wear one of those every night, it's easier than hanging blackout curtains (apartment lyfe :sigh:)?

Blackout curtains are a one-time upfront timesink though? Wearing that sleeping mask is like paying an effort toll every night

Molten Llama
Sep 20, 2006

Platystemon posted:

The answer is “doublethink”.

The average person doesn’t have trouble holding beliefs that contradict each other.

To that point, remember that immediately before "covid is a dem hoax," the prevailing, presidentially-endorsed chud take was "covid is an escaped chinese bioterror weapon meant to destroy the west."

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



My wife reported 3 Etsy accounts today for selling mesh masks that said "You don't control me" or some other bullshit

snake and bake
Feb 23, 2005

:theroni:

Setset posted:

Blackout curtains are a one-time upfront timesink though? Wearing that sleeping mask is like paying an effort toll every night

A lot of landlords/apartment managers won't allow tenants to put up curtain rods.

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

greazeball posted:

My wife reported 3 Etsy accounts today for selling mesh masks that said "You don't control me" or some other bullshit

i don't think there's a big enough facepalm for this

that's so much effort to tell the world you're a piece of poo poo.

"so i'm going to design a 'mask', make said mask, market mask on a website, sell mask to other idiots, ship mask"

like just loving be one of those assholes that needs to be thrown out of a store or something it makes the same point and you get internet fame you obviously crave

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006


This is a good demonstration of the value of masks. Early in December I was thinking about what to buy to prepare for this thing and somebody posted a good study saying exactly this and it made me reconsider the usefulness of masks. From past experience I already knew the masks wouldn't actually keep me from getting airborne poo poo - they filter some but not remotely all of the air you breathe due to the unavoidable gaps between your face and the mask so they're not really great for protecting yourself.

But it turns out they catch almost all of the poo poo coming out of your mouth really well - so it's still worth wearing a mask to protect everyone else from whatever I might have.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic

Molten Llama posted:

To that point, remember that immediately before "covid is a dem hoax," the prevailing, presidentially-endorsed chud take was "covid is an escaped chinese bioterror weapon meant to destroy the west."

My elderly neighbor with no immune system (who to her credit seems to be taking this fairly seriously) told me early on that COVID was released by the Chinese as part of their plan to embarrass President Trump.

Tipps
Apr 18, 2006


party in the front

business in the back

zer0spunk posted:

i don't think there's a big enough facepalm for this

that's so much effort to tell the world you're a piece of poo poo.

"so i'm going to design a 'mask', make said mask, market mask on a website, sell mask to other idiots, ship mask"

like just loving be one of those assholes that needs to be thrown out of a store or something it makes the same point and you get internet fame you obviously crave

Don't discount the possibility that the makers of the masks are just out to make money, and that the marketing around their product, made specifically to capitalize on the current societal breakdown, is pure American-brand profiteering. :911:

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flubber nuts
Oct 5, 2005


Untrustable posted:

I've accepted my fate and now am just dedicating as much time as possible to appreciating my wife, calling my folks, and going fishing. There is a nice little pond on the back half of my grandpa's property that has good-sized bass in it. I like to sit on the bank and just throw a line. No people. No cars. No casinos. Just me and the pond. I'm tired y'all. I won't be back in this thread. Too depressing. I'll be at the pond.

oh man dont give up untrustable. the bass are the key. quit your job and eat the bass. :(

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