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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Wikipedia is forever poo poo for trying to memory hole the original dedication at the end of Rambo III

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gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Elderbean posted:

I mentioned it already but its eerie how little there is on The Franklin Scandal outside of the books and that one documentary that didn't air. The wiki entry is comically short and it just says that everything was proven to be a hoax so that's all there is folks!

larry king occupies such an epstein type role there too

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


There isn't even a wiki on King himself as far as I know, you have to go to other sites to learn more.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


The kings larry

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Danger posted:

yea I started reading the Franklin book by nick Bryant because of this thread. then have started absorbing everting I can find kind fox island and my brain is pinged out of whack. seriously having to check my perspective

Fox Island? *googles* Oh yeah, i remember that from my deep dive into true crime podcasts before getting a major depression and dropping it all a few years back.

I never did finish the book on London, Ontario: serial killer capital of the world.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

MonsieurChoc posted:

Fox Island? *googles* Oh yeah, i remember that from my deep dive into true crime podcasts before getting a major depression and dropping it all a few years back.

business insider link but woah:

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-north-fox-island-francis-shelden-2019-8

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/feralgrass/status/1277819590790258688?s=19

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Literally raping children to farm babies.

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


That's the worst part about this rabbit hole, you keep finding more scandals. I grew up in Northern Ohio, had family in Detroit, vacationed in the Great Lakes, and I never heard anything about a child porno ring in the folklore.

When you do look into these scandals, there's barely any info outside of independent journalists writing books. What's on the internet is sparpse and increasingly getting memory holed.

Danger
Jan 4, 2004

all desire - the thirst for oil, war, religious salvation - needs to be understood according to what he calls 'the demonogrammatical decoding of the Earth's body'

Elderbean posted:

That's the worst part about this rabbit hole, you keep finding more scandals. I grew up in Northern Ohio, had family in Detroit, vacationed in the Great Lakes, and I never heard anything about a child porno ring in the folklore.

When you do look into these scandals, there's barely any info outside of independent journalists writing books. What's on the internet is sparpse and increasingly getting memory holed.

in looking it up I found a photo blog post of a bunch of twenty somethings having a camping trip on north fox island and joking about the creepy old Boy Scout camp they found on north fox island. they had no clue.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
https://twitter.com/OpDeathEaters/status/1277758781284184064?s=19

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Perry Mason Jar posted:

https://twitter.com/mgafni/status/1277647449251704833?s=20

DeAngelo offered up a confession of sorts after his arrest that cryptically referred to an inner personality named "Jerry" that had apparently forced him to commit the wave of crimes that ended abruptly in 1986. According to Sacramento County prosecutor Thien Ho, DeAngelo said to himself while alone in a police interrogation room after his arrest in April 2018: "I didn’t have the strength to push him out. He made me. He went with me. It was like in my head, I mean, he's a part of me. I didn't want to do those things. I pushed Jerry out and had a happy life. I did all those things. I destroyed all their lives. So now I've got to pay the price."

2nd edit: A relative reported that when DeAngelo was 9 or 10 years old he witnessed his 7-year-old sister being raped by two airmen in a warehouse in West Germany, where the family was stationed at the time.

Okay so Programmed to Kill is mandatory reading now

I need to someone to crack ping about this with me.

Google Butt posted:

Explain thanks

Never did get to a keyboard last night, sorry!

Randonautica is an app from the rather young randonauting community (it goes back no more than two years as far as I can tell). The app is doing what the community had been doing via chat bots for some time before it (the people who launched the app and created the chat bots are the same) - generating points on a map using a computer that measures quantum fluctuations and then visiting those points. The reason quantum fluctuations are used - it utilizes a computer over in Australia that's tasked with measuring fluctuations of a vacuum (the only thing that can disturb the vacuum's field, because it's uh a vacuum, are virtual particles appearing and disappearing within it) - is for a truly random set of coordinates. It should be trivial to find a computer nerd to explain to you how computers can't actually generate truly random numbers. The RNG computers can typically produce, those not aided by quantum randomness, are referred to as pseudo-RNG. This is a neat demonstration:

https://clips.twitch.tv/HonestColorfulAlbatrossRlyTho

Okay so you have your true randomness QRNG machine all set. Now the idea is to feed the bot a map, the bot asks the Australian computer to fetch q-random numbers, and then the bot overlays those q-generated numbers as points on the map (you set the radius). Now you could simply visit a point generated in that fashion, some people like to do that and 'results', as it were, are okay. But what is typically done instead is the bot is asked to generate a few hundred or thousand points and then to return to you not one of those points but a point generated based on the distribution of those points. That leaves you two options: areas where the density of points is greater than average or areas where the density of points is lower than average. The community has termed these attractors and voids, respectively.

A simple way to think about this: if you threw a thousand darts at a dartboard you would expect to find areas where there's more darts and areas where's the less darts than the average spread of darts.

But the theory is extended a bit beyond this. According to the randonaut model it wouldn't be sufficient to, say, have a person throw a thousand darts at a map and generate a point that way. Well, why not? The idea is that your arm's movement, the activity of your brain, etc is also bound in the same way that computers are bound. This is the principle that's further extended into "probability tunnels" - the principle is extended to say that you largely have little influence over decisions and actions you make. Based on this conception your ability to escape your physically determined future (timeline, probability tunnel) is limited by how often you behave against your most probable decisions. In metaphysics this is called weak determinism.

The idea is that by traveling to QRNG generated points you are doing something that is highly improbable for you to do. And in that way you escape your pre-set "probability tunnel". Now that in itself has yielded some interesting anecdotal finds in terms of lower-probability events occurring while randonauting (using the bot and visiting points) as well as lower-probability events transpiring in that person's life after randonauting. But beyond that the points themselves are often not-nothing. That is, you would expect a random point to take you to something not very interesting at all but it's very much not uncommon for what is found at the points to be highly interesting in itself. And even further than that people anecdotally report influence over the point, or what's discovered there, by way of intent. Successfully achieved intent may be explained away like this:

quote:

Take the teens who found that suitcase with the body parts in it, for instance. I have no idea what their "intent" was, or if they even set one. But think of all the "intents" that finding that suitcase would count as a "hit" for. "I want to discover a secret". "I want to see something I've never seen before." "I want to find something I will never forget." "I want to find something that will help someone." "I want to find something my TikTok followers will find interesting." "I want to be the first one to find something."
(from Reddit)
(their intent was "Travel" by the way)

Perfectly valid explanation. Nonetheless, there are some very interesting phenomena associated with randonauting. My personal experiences with the bot and app have yielded a huge number of improbabilities, coincidences, and synchronicities. In most cases I forego setting an intent altogether, for what it's worth, but I've still gotten lots of "results". I definitely recommend everyone try it out for themselves and see what happens. I strongly recommend doing a "chain" as it's the most "successful" method for most users: set your location, generate attractor/void, go there, set your location to where the attractor/void point was generated (this is automatic on the app, just stand on the point), generate attractor/void, go there, repeat as often as you like.

https://www.reddit.com/r/randonauts/
https://twitter.com/Ready_Randonaut
https://twitter.com/search?q=randonaut&src=typed_query

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 13:16 on Jun 30, 2020

nut
Jul 30, 2019

i remember totally buying that the McMartin preschool trials were kids exaggerating and making things up about being flushed down the toilet (I think there was a documentary I saw when I was younger that heavily leaned into this thesis). It was so long ago that I haven't thought about it in forever and, after lots of cracks lots of pings, now it is pretty brutal to know how skated over that was

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I need to someone to crack ping about this with me.
:words: randonauting :words:
:psyboom:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I need to someone to crack ping about this with me.

I neglected to quote the bit about his father being a US Army Sgt. Serial killers being born to higher-rank military personnel is something McGowan noticed and detailed in Programmed to Kill. As for the significance of West Germany:





Using Ctrl+F for German on Programmed to Kill yields a lot of stuff worth checking out. I'd be remiss not to mention to the decades long (30 years at least) German policy of housing orphans with known pedophiles that was discovered this month - pretty sure it was posted in this thread.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 14:17 on Jun 30, 2020

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I need to someone to crack ping about this with me.


Never did get to a keyboard last night, sorry!

Randonautica is an app from the rather young randonauting community (it goes back no more than two years as far as I can tell). The app is doing what the community had been doing via chat bots for some time before it (the people who launched the app and created the chat bots are the same) - generating points on a map using a computer that measures quantum fluctuations and then visiting those points. The reason quantum fluctuations are used - it utilizes a computer over in Australia that's tasked with measuring fluctuations of a vacuum (the only thing that can disturb the vacuum's field, because it's uh a vacuum, are virtual particles appearing and disappearing within it) - is for a truly random set of coordinates. It should be trivial to find a computer nerd to explain to you how computers can't actually generate truly random numbers. The RNG computers can typically produce, those not aided by quantum randomness, are referred to as pseudo-RNG. This is a neat demonstration:

https://clips.twitch.tv/HonestColorfulAlbatrossRlyTho

Okay so you have your true randomness QRNG machine all set. Now the idea is to feed the bot a map, the bot asks the Australian computer to fetch q-random numbers, and then the bot overlays those q-generated numbers as points on the map (you set the radius). Now you could simply visit a point generated in that fashion, some people like to do that and 'results', as it were, are okay. But what is typically done instead is the bot is asked to generate a few hundred or thousand points and then to return to you not one of those points but a point generated based on the distribution of those points. That leaves you two options: areas where the density of points is greater than average or areas where the density of points is lower than average. The community has termed these attractors and voids, respectively.

A simple way to think about this: if you threw a thousand darts at a dartboard you would expect to find areas where there's more darts and areas where's the less darts than the average spread of darts.

But the theory is extended a bit beyond this. According to the randonaut model it wouldn't be sufficient to, say, have a person throw a thousand darts at a map and generate a point that way. Well, why not? The idea is that your arm's movement, the activity of your brain, etc is also bound in the same way that computers are bound. This is the principle that's further extended into "probability tunnels" - the principle is extended to say that you largely have little influence over decisions and actions you make. Based on this conception your ability to escape your physically determined future (timeline, probability tunnel) is limited by how often you behave against your most probable decisions. In metaphysics this is called weak determinism.

The idea is that by traveling to QRNG generated points you are doing something that is highly improbable for you to do. And in that way you escape your pre-set "probability tunnel". Now that in itself has yielded some interesting anecdotal finds in terms of lower-probability events occurring while randonauting (using the bot and visiting points) as well as lower-probability events transpiring in that person's life after randonauting. But beyond that the points themselves are often not-nothing. That is, you would expect a random point to take you to something not very interesting at all but it's very much not uncommon for what is found at the points to be highly interesting in itself. And even further than that people anecdotally report influence over the point, or what's discovered there, by way of intent. Successfully achieved intent may be explained away like this:

(from Reddit)
(their intent was "Travel" by the way)

Perfectly valid explanation. Nonetheless, there are some very interesting phenomena associated with randonauting. My personal experiences with the bot and app have yielded a huge number of improbabilities, coincidences, and synchronicities. In most cases I forego setting an intent altogether, for what it's worth, but I've still gotten lots of "results". I definitely recommend everyone try it out for themselves and see what happens. I strongly recommend doing a "chain" as it's the most "successful" method for most users: set your location, generate attractor/void, go there, set your location to where the attractor/void point was generated (this is automatic on the app, just stand on the point), generate attractor/void, go there, repeat as often as you like.

https://www.reddit.com/r/randonauts/
https://twitter.com/Ready_Randonaut
https://twitter.com/search?q=randonaut&src=typed_query

jesus, just read horoscopes

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

That's the article I found, yeah.

Danger
Jan 4, 2004

all desire - the thirst for oil, war, religious salvation - needs to be understood according to what he calls 'the demonogrammatical decoding of the Earth's body'
I’m still in the initial cracking I think but the Fox Island poo poo is nuts to think about because it’s a tore open scab. It’s maybe one of the few cases of actual beginning documentation of a sophisticated network where you can clearly see a design. Shelden was connected to another kid farm at the same time in Tennessee which operated in the same way and had documentation on how to replicate the program.

compare that with how Franklin is discussed on the surface with “oh this was a hoax” unless you put effort into the actual events and interviews.

Danger has issued a correction as of 15:53 on Jun 30, 2020

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 88 days!

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I need to someone to crack ping about this with me.

So the idea here is that you'll experience some Bob Wilson type poo poo by an app instructing you to wander around behind a 7/11 two miles from your house, where you'll see a graffito that says "CUMLORD '98" and break out of the matrix?

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

croup coughfield posted:

So the idea here is that you'll experience some Bob Wilson type poo poo by an app instructing you to wander around behind a 7/11 two miles from your house, where you'll see a graffito that says "CUMLORD '98" and break out of the matrix?

Well the crack ping about this with me was with respect to Joseph DeAngelo being the the son of a US Army Sgt., having DID, and being stationed and traumatized at a West Germany military base.

Who's Bib Wilson? And yeah it seems like you got the basic gist.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Danger posted:

I’m still in the initial cracking I think but the Fox Island poo poo is nuts to think about because it’s a tore open scab. It’s maybe one of the few cases of actual beginning documentation of a sophisticated network where you can clearly see a design. Shelden was connected to another kid farm at the same time in Tennessee which operated in the same way and had documentation on how to replicate the program.

compare that with how Franklin is discussed on the surface with “oh this was a hoax” unless you put effort into the actual events and interviews.

Tangentially, has the disappearance of Johnny Golsch made it into this thread? Gotta have...

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 88 days!

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Who's Bib Wilson? And yeah it seems like you got the basic gist.



The content is probably closer to his Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy but this is his more famous work.

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020

by Athanatos

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Tangentially, has the disappearance of Johnny Golsch made it into this thread? Gotta have...

Jesus Christ. Just one duck after another, all in a row, that people refuse refuse refuse to see. Jesus Christ

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


People don't want to think that networks of rapists rule the world and that every economic action you take gives more power to them, infecting everyone with culpability. And the media is naturally part of it and has no interest in telling people

A4R8
Feb 28, 2020

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Tangentially, has the disappearance of Johnny Golsch made it into this thread? Gotta have...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Johnny_Gosch

What the gently caress

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

ah some light morning reading to go with my tommy dorsey lp :synthy:

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
There was a Netflix doc on it years ago.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Milwaukee still hasn't received any coverage on MSM.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


We've doomed most life on earth so that pedophiles can have private spaceships, and i for one think that's bad

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!
oh cool theres a franklin ring connection. why not? sure.

Worthleast
Nov 25, 2012

Possibly the only speedboat jumps I've planned

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Milwaukee still hasn't received any coverage on MSM.

https://twitter.com/lilpeeptruther/status/1277964902691254273

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Perry Mason Jar posted:

randonaut stuff

So wait people disproportionately get these "lower-probability" events from this service and just chalk it up to the magic of quantum mechanics instead of being at all suspicious? Are there any alternate sources of QRNG people use for comparison?

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

what vacuum where what quanta are fluctuating and how is the measurement done

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

ah drat it im at my flux capacity gotta buy some QuantCoins

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
IDK if this was already known but I'm still being blown away by this.

https://twitter.com/OpDeathEaters/status/1277758783515529216?s=19

https://twitter.com/tweetingLEB/status/1275603221193449473?s=19

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

sleeptalker posted:

So wait people disproportionately get these "lower-probability" events from this service and just chalk it up to the magic of quantum mechanics instead of being at all suspicious? Are there any alternate sources of QRNG people use for comparison?

The Saucer Hovers posted:

what vacuum where what quanta are fluctuating and how is the measurement done

https://qrng.anu.edu.au/

This website offers true random numbers to anyone on the internet. The random numbers are generated in real-time in our lab by measuring the quantum fluctuations of the vacuum. The vacuum is described very differently in the quantum mechanical context than in the classical context. Traditionally, a vacuum is considered as a space that is empty of matter or photons. Quantum mechanically, however, that same space resembles a sea of virtual particles appearing and disappearing all the time. This result is due to the fact that the vacuum still possesses a zero-point energy. Consequently, the electromagnetic field of the vacuum exhibits random fluctuations in phase and amplitude at all frequencies. By carefully measuring these fluctuations, we are able to generate ultra-high bandwidth random numbers.

Edit: You guys can gently caress around with the bot without downloading the app to your phone here: https://bot.randonauts.com/

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Jun 30, 2020

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Perry Mason Jar posted:

https://qrng.anu.edu.au/

This website offers true random numbers to anyone on the internet. The random numbers are generated in real-time in our lab by measuring the quantum fluctuations of the vacuum. The vacuum is described very differently in the quantum mechanical context than in the classical context. Traditionally, a vacuum is considered as a space that is empty of matter or photons. Quantum mechanically, however, that same space resembles a sea of virtual particles appearing and disappearing all the time. This result is due to the fact that the vacuum still possesses a zero-point energy. Consequently, the electromagnetic field of the vacuum exhibits random fluctuations in phase and amplitude at all frequencies. By carefully measuring these fluctuations, we are able to generate ultra-high bandwidth random numbers.

this is pretty interesting to me from a technical perspective (I have a doctorate in theoretical physics and although I became an Astro/cosmo guy, I always wanted to work in the quantum information sciences.)

thanks!

OutOfPrint
Apr 9, 2009

Fun Shoe
Randonauting is straight up chaos magick, which makes a big deal about delving into random noise to find a meaningful signal. That, and jerking off a lot. Like, A LOT a lot.

What I'm saying is that server in Australia is absolutely slathered in cum.

Speaking of jerking off and horrific segues, the Last Podcast On the Left did episodes on chaos magick and a three parter on the Franklin coverup, the latter of which is harrowing. Apparently Steve King is now a used car salesman, or was at the time of the episodes. If you can stand their schtick and don't mind crawling into a deep mental hole for a while, they're worth a listen.

Impkins Patootie
Apr 20, 2017









https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYjQ5jz32K4&t=541s

Impkins Patootie has issued a correction as of 20:50 on Jun 30, 2020

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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

OutOfPrint posted:

Randonauting is straight up chaos magick, which makes a big deal about delving into random noise to find a meaningful signal. That, and jerking off a lot. Like, A LOT a lot.

What I'm saying is that server in Australia is absolutely slathered in cum.

Speaking of jerking off and horrific segues, the Last Podcast On the Left did episodes on chaos magick and a three parter on the Franklin coverup, the latter of which is harrowing. Apparently Steve King is now a used car salesman, or was at the time of the episodes. If you can stand their schtick and don't mind crawling into a deep mental hole for a while, they're worth a listen.

I lost track of LPotL when they switched over to SoundCloud.

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