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ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015
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Uncle Ulty posted:

Man I remember doing those 3XL weapon missions too. That was a nightmare, and I'm so thankful that I was in college at the time so I had friends nearby to be 2P so I could actually complete those goals. I remember doing one (Dian Wei?) where I came around a corner to dozens of crossbowmen who just unloaded on me and brought me to death from full health in the blink of an eye.

And I might be misremembering, but I thought you could see the locations of the sub-officers by clicking into the individual officer on the pause menu? But that might have been DW4?

Yeah that was DW4 which introduced that. Eventually they just canned the idea of sub-officers altogether, which was good because now you don't have to keep pausing to check for them, but bad because having a string of sub-officers all retreat after you'd slapped a big man around is genuinely amusing (and in 3XL's case can really give you some room to breathe on Very Hard, especially if your Commander is at risk).

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Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

abuse culture. posted:

You can’t control poo poo in XIV. The entire game is basically assigning guys to areas, telling everyone who isn’t doing anything to search and smashing the next turn button.

As opposed to XI, that's micromanagement hell.

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.
If you can snag hyrule warriors, definitely spring for the one that includes all the dlcs, cause they're surprisingly good too.

Also I've not been impressed by any ROTK game after X. It's kind of sad.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





Drakenel posted:

If you can snag hyrule warriors, definitely spring for the one that includes all the dlcs, cause they're surprisingly good too.

Also I've not been impressed by any ROTK game after X. It's kind of sad.

Did any of Hyrule Warriors' later releases add another story campaign?

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Arbite posted:

Did any of Hyrule Warriors' later releases add another story campaign?
Legends added a post-game plot involving the Wind Waker characters. It's included in Definitive.

abuse culture.
Sep 8, 2004

Drakenel posted:

If you can snag hyrule warriors, definitely spring for the one that includes all the dlcs, cause they're surprisingly good too.

Also I've not been impressed by any ROTK game after X. It's kind of sad.

X was good poo poo

kissekatt
Apr 20, 2005

I have tasted the fruit.

abuse culture. posted:

You can’t control poo poo in XIV. The entire game is basically assigning guys to areas, telling everyone who isn’t doing anything to search and smashing the next turn button.
Not sure how long you've been playing, but it does get a bit better once you get used to it and have progressed. Like, you can control troop movements and such in a roundabout way to make sure that they actually attack the enemy - possibly even from behind! Still not good though, because you can't control poo poo.

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.

Arbite posted:

Did any of Hyrule Warriors' later releases add another story campaign?

Commander Keene mentioned the windwaker one, but others include both the villains side missions and Linkle's adventure in going nowhere, but still being helpful.

Also like 8 other adventure maps that'll keep you busy till the heat death of the universe.

ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Most of my Sunday was taken up by grinding Diao Chan and Zhang Jiao in DW3XL, then gaining their 4th and 5th weapons, along with a couple of special items (both of these items were/are crap, we're just after 100% on that count).

Even in co-op (no loving way am I doing this solo) with plenty of booze to keep the poo poo-talking and banter flowing, it was absolutely exhausting. I never want to go through anything like Zhang Jiao's requirements for a 5th Weapon ever again. Sure it was worth the reward (Christ is his 5th monstrous) but holy loving poo poo the entire battle was effectively a glorified escort mission for a quartet of dumb loving idiot moron Peasant units.

Jesus god no. Please. Never again. Any allied DW3 AI is too loving dumb to live.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Drakenel posted:

Commander Keene mentioned the windwaker one, but others include both the villains side missions and Linkle's adventure in going nowhere, but still being helpful.

Also like 8 other adventure maps that'll keep you busy till the heat death of the universe.
Yeah, I forgot about Linkle's story, but the villain storyline was added as free DLC to the Wii U version.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

Even in co-op (no loving way am I doing this solo) with plenty of booze to keep the poo poo-talking and banter flowing, it was absolutely exhausting. I never want to go through anything like Zhang Jiao's requirements for a 5th Weapon ever again. Sure it was worth the reward (Christ is his 5th monstrous) but holy loving poo poo the entire battle was effectively a glorified escort mission for a quartet of dumb loving idiot moron Peasant units.

i think the hardest hidden weapon to get is demonslayer from samurai warriors 1, where you have to prevent any takeda unit from dying in the battle of nagashino chapter where your allies are scripted to constantly take huge damage when they aren't on screen. as if that wasn't bad enough, then you also have to cut off an enemy general that moves as fast as the matsukaze/red hare equivalent and spawns on the opposite side of the map lol

i guess nobunaga oda is also hard to do because you can try to cheese it with goemon breaking walls, but the enemy general AIs aren't smart enough to use the shortcuts you created and just hang out in honnoji as it burns

ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015
Probation
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The White Dragon posted:

i think the hardest hidden weapon to get is demonslayer from samurai warriors 1, where you have to prevent any takeda unit from dying in the battle of nagashino chapter where your allies are scripted to constantly take huge damage when they aren't on screen. as if that wasn't bad enough, then you also have to cut off an enemy general that moves as fast as the matsukaze/red hare equivalent and spawns on the opposite side of the map lol

i guess nobunaga oda is also hard to do because you can try to cheese it with goemon breaking walls, but the enemy general AIs aren't smart enough to use the shortcuts you created and just hang out in honnoji as it burns

I honestly don't remember this Nagashino requirement from SW1. Which character had to go through that anti-fun loving hellfire?! Masamune Date in XL had some ridiculous bullshit on Nagashino for his 6th (which my old co-op buddy and I just gave up on after a couple of shots because the allied AI is irredeemably dumb and we mained Keiji and Nobunaga anyway so gently caress all that), but I don't recall having to keep the Takeda cavalry alive for anything.

We did get all of Nobunaga's gear though in SW1/XL, back in the day at least (I certainly ain't doing that again for now). Co-op helped (helps) so much, especially with Keiji just tearing poo poo up to ease the pressure. As fun as it was I guess a maxed-out Keiji was pretty OP in that game though? :shrug:

Man on reflection it's staggering. I mean, Jesus Christ old Musou games really were something else when it came to obtaining ultimate weapons (at least before DW5 made it a real babby event). Makes me appreciate every refinement in the DW series up to DW8XL all the more, because with some 70+ characters I'd probably put my loving foot through the screen if the weapon/item skill unlocks in that were anything like DW3XL. Now they're tricky, potentially troublesome without ever being absurd, time-consuming bullshit.

UNLIKE THAT loving DIVINE GAUNTLET IN DW3XL. STAND AROUND DOING NOTHING FOR SIX MINUTES UNTIL FAN CHOU DIES. loving literally. Else he gains morale and puts up a fight preventing Guan Yu from arriving as enemy reinforcements, and you need to kill Guan Yu (among others) to get the item. What the absolute everloving utter gently caress Koei?!

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

I honestly don't remember this Nagashino requirement from SW1. Which character had to go through that anti-fun loving hellfire?!

custom swordsman lol. iirc the flag was "all takeda officers must retreat to the evacuation gates without being defeated"

otoh you had stuff like shingen takeda and kenshin uesugi's requirements being, "yea just ko 1000 dudes in the final stage nbd" which was pretty fun. cathartic

Fur20 fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jun 29, 2020

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Wasn't there an insane objective for Tadakatsu Honda in one of the first SW games where no enemies were allowed to pass through any of three gates on the field?

Magil of Shadow
Dec 28, 2009

Proposal: Form a friendly relationship immediately.

"You have GOT to be kidding me"

The White Dragon posted:

i think the hardest hidden weapon to get is demonslayer from samurai warriors 1, where you have to prevent any takeda unit from dying in the battle of nagashino chapter where your allies are scripted to constantly take huge damage when they aren't on screen. as if that wasn't bad enough, then you also have to cut off an enemy general that moves as fast as the matsukaze/red hare equivalent and spawns on the opposite side of the map lol

This was the bane of me and my musou loving cousin's existance during our time going though SW1. Had EVERYONE ELSE we wanted with their final weapons, but couldn't get this for the life of us.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

This was announced a couple days ago at Tencent's E3-style conference but Koei Tecmo has re-revealed their Dynasty Warriors game for mobile.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1277744882598195200?s=20
This game effectively replaces Nexon's Dynasty Warriors: Unleashed, which was removed from mobile stores everywhere but Japan back in March. This new one was in closed beta a few months back and I can't find any footage other than the tutorial which is around 15 minutes of a Yellow Turbans stage but if you wanna watch that then here. The new trailer seems to show off Warriors Orochi style team-ups so I'm interested in seeing where that goes. I think it looks alright, given that mobile phones are way more powerful now than they were in the era of 3DS and Vita they can handle hundreds of units on screen at once so it feels more like a real Warriors game.

Just in case you don't get confused, this is not the same Chinese mobile game as the one Nexon is making which is an MMO-style adaptation of DW9 for phones. That's still happening. No I don't know why Korea thinks it's a good idea to turn DW9 into a phone MMO. Fun fact I learned in researching these games: the Chinese apparently call the Musou genre "mowing games!"

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Zhou Tai best character in DW8XL

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Played SW2 XL and SW2E tonight. Still the best.

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.

Policenaut posted:

This was announced a couple days ago at Tencent's E3-style conference but Koei Tecmo has re-revealed their Dynasty Warriors game for mobile.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1277744882598195200?s=20
This game effectively replaces Nexon's Dynasty Warriors: Unleashed, which was removed from mobile stores everywhere but Japan back in March. This new one was in closed beta a few months back and I can't find any footage other than the tutorial which is around 15 minutes of a Yellow Turbans stage but if you wanna watch that then here. The new trailer seems to show off Warriors Orochi style team-ups so I'm interested in seeing where that goes. I think it looks alright, given that mobile phones are way more powerful now than they were in the era of 3DS and Vita they can handle hundreds of units on screen at once so it feels more like a real Warriors game.

Just in case you don't get confused, this is not the same Chinese mobile game as the one Nexon is making which is an MMO-style adaptation of DW9 for phones. That's still happening. No I don't know why Korea thinks it's a good idea to turn DW9 into a phone MMO. Fun fact I learned in researching these games: the Chinese apparently call the Musou genre "mowing games!"

I am... not thrilled, but not surprised to hear tencent's involvement. That's not a great sign for the series.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
You pretty much have to have Tencent involved to get into the Chinese market now which is huge for mobile games.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Have no idea who Tencent even is.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Jupiter Jazz posted:

Have no idea who Tencent even is.

the biggest company in the entire world

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo

Takoluka posted:

the biggest company in the entire world

Oh right, they own Riot.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Jupiter Jazz posted:

Oh right, they own Riot.

Among its known investments, as of May 2020, include:

Full ownership of Riot Games, the American developers of League of Legends[152]
Full ownership of Norwegian publisher Funcom.[153][154]
Full ownership of Swedish developer Sharkmob, founded in 2017 by ex-Ubisoft developers and fully acquired by Tencent in 2019.[155]
80% ownership in the New Zealand company Grinding Gear Games, the developers of the game Path of Exile.[156][157][158]
Approximately 84% ownership in Finnish mobile game developer Supercell, makers of Clash of Clans and Clash Royale[159]
40% ownership of American developers Epic Games, the developer of popular online game Fortnite[160]
20% ownership of Japanese publisher and developer Marvelous.[161]
17.66% ownership of South Korean mobile developer Netmarble.[162]
Approximately 15% ownership of American mobile game developer Glu Mobile[163]
13.54% ownership of South Korean company Kakao, the parent company of South Korean publisher Kakao Games.[164][165]
9% ownership in UK developer Frontier Developments[166]
5% ownership of American holding company Activision Blizzard, the parent company of Activision, Blizzard and King[163]
5% ownership of Swedish publisher Paradox Interactive[163]
5% ownership in France's Ubisoft, purchased from Vivendi following Vivendi's failed attempt to buy out Ubisoft in March 2018[167][168]
1.5% ownership of South Korean company Bluehole, the publisher of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds.
Majority ownership in Switzerland-based mobile game developer Miniclip[169]
Capital Investment in Japanese developer PlatinumGames[170]
Minority share in German developer Yager Development[171]

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

I've spent some time with some of Tencent's mobile offerings like COD and PUBG Mobile so I have confidence that both it'll be a pretty good game and that it'll have fifty different currencies fueled by MTX payments with nine different avenues of drawing for SSR Summer Wang Yuanji. Also it'll have a social mode where you hang out in like Luoyang and you can voice chat with Chinese players and do dance emotes at each other. That's what I've learned about Tencent games.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Policenaut posted:

SSR Summer Wang Yuanji

why would you say this

why would you do this

ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Policenaut posted:

SSR Summer Wang Yuanji

Takoluka posted:

why would you say this

why would you do this
I have no idea what "SSR Summer Wang Yuanji" even means/implies but already have a feeling it's going to be some weird poo poo.

Jupiter Jazz posted:

Played SW2 XL and SW2E tonight. Still the best.
SW2's Sugoroku with four players was more fun than it had any right to be, in no small part due to the absolute loving absurdity of it all.
"I shall destroy you all..."
-feebly rolls a 1-

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

I have no idea what "SSR Summer Wang Yuanji" even means/implies but already have a feeling it's going to be some weird poo poo.



but in a swimsuit

ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Oh just the usual dumb waifu nonsense then. I honestly thought it was going to be so much worse.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Takoluka posted:

Among its known investments, as of May 2020, include:

Full ownership of Riot Games, the American developers of League of Legends[152]
Full ownership of Norwegian publisher Funcom.[153][154]
Full ownership of Swedish developer Sharkmob, founded in 2017 by ex-Ubisoft developers and fully acquired by Tencent in 2019.[155]
80% ownership in the New Zealand company Grinding Gear Games, the developers of the game Path of Exile.[156][157][158]
Approximately 84% ownership in Finnish mobile game developer Supercell, makers of Clash of Clans and Clash Royale[159]
40% ownership of American developers Epic Games, the developer of popular online game Fortnite[160]
20% ownership of Japanese publisher and developer Marvelous.[161]
17.66% ownership of South Korean mobile developer Netmarble.[162]
Approximately 15% ownership of American mobile game developer Glu Mobile[163]
13.54% ownership of South Korean company Kakao, the parent company of South Korean publisher Kakao Games.[164][165]
9% ownership in UK developer Frontier Developments[166]
5% ownership of American holding company Activision Blizzard, the parent company of Activision, Blizzard and King[163]
5% ownership of Swedish publisher Paradox Interactive[163]
5% ownership in France's Ubisoft, purchased from Vivendi following Vivendi's failed attempt to buy out Ubisoft in March 2018[167][168]
1.5% ownership of South Korean company Bluehole, the publisher of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds.
Majority ownership in Switzerland-based mobile game developer Miniclip[169]
Capital Investment in Japanese developer PlatinumGames[170]
Minority share in German developer Yager Development[171]

I actually have a position in Tencent but they make little from their investment abroad most of it is to acquire ips/brands to make domestic products(like they are doing with Koei/Blizzard/Riot) and WeChat which is hard to explain to non Chinese people but think of Amazon/Whatsapp/Gmail/Paypal all bundled in 1 thing. That's their main source of income.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Ulio posted:

I actually have a position in Tencent but they make little from their investment abroad most of it is to acquire ips/brands to make domestic products(like they are doing with Koei/Blizzard/Riot) and WeChat which is hard to explain to non Chinese people but think of Amazon/Whatsapp/Gmail/Paypal all bundled in 1 thing. That's their main source of income.

Oh, this was just in reference to video games. WeChat is definitely Tencent's bread-and-butter. They just also happen to have their hands in a ton of stuff as an investment firm, so their name comes up a lot.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

I have no idea what "SSR Summer Wang Yuanji" even means/implies but already have a feeling it's going to be some weird poo poo.

SW2's Sugoroku with four players was more fun than it had any right to be, in no small part due to the absolute loving absurdity of it all.
"I shall destroy you all..."
-feebly rolls a 1-

I played some of that last night and it's still awesome. Felt like Ieyasu ai was cheating though

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Takoluka posted:



but in a swimsuit

And with a 0.001% draw rate

Largepotato
Jan 18, 2007

Spurd.

kirbysuperstar posted:

And with a 0.001% draw rate

That's only on rateup.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Largepotato posted:

That's only on rateup.

You're right, I was being generous.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Largepotato posted:

That's only on rateup.

And the rate up only runs for a short window of time, after which that version becomes unavailable forever barring any potential future reruns of the banner.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

The new scam hotness is to lock it behind like a roulette that removes rewards from the wheel as you get them so eventually you have a 1 in 3 chance to get the thing you want and oh the cost to spin goes up each time and oh you got the bad thing you didnt you want better try again it's a 50/50 chance!

ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Another co-op session of DW3XL, another pair of 5th Weapons with requirements on the polar opposites of the difficulty scale, and all because 3XL was definitely not the best-planned (if at all planned) expansion when it came to this sort of thing.

So, Dong Zhuo has to gently caress around on the Wu Zhang Plains -- a six-star difficulty map, meaning even the pleb infantry are meatshields for a while -- and kill Pang Tong ASAP before Shu's catapult attack, all without an impossibly weak Fan Chou eating poo poo in the process; a monster of a task even with a completely maxed-out Lu Bu present, tanking as much enemy aggression as possible to keep Pang Tong isolated and buy Fan Chou enough time to start fighting back. You absolutely need to have Dong Zhuo's base Life/ATK/DEF stats maxed before attempting this. But is the weapon even an upgrade? Sort of; it has the Death element (SSST), so at least mooks can be killed off rapidly, but then it has stat buffs to poo poo like Mounted Defense and starting with more arrows instead of Life. That sort of stuff is literally worthless because extra arrows are practically everywhere & fighting on horseback in DW3 is just a loving clumsy waste of time which lasts about 4 seconds before you get smacked onto the ground.

Yuan Shao on the other hand? He just has to slap Diao Chan on Hu Lao Gate and make Lu Bu angry before Cao Cao or Liu Bei or Sun Jian dies*. Easy stuff; it's a one-star battle so only officers are a threat, but Diao Chan's completely on her own (aside from the usual bodyguard entourage), making her easy to kill. Even within the reasonably tight time limit you're given to sort this out (Liu Bei & co. in particular really don't put up much resistance), Yuan Shao's basic Life/ATK/DEF stats barely need to be 3/4 of the way up to succeed. I swear there are several 4th Weapons that take more effort to obtain than this loving thing (Ma Chao's immediately springs to mind), and to top it off it's a straight upgrade over his lovely 4th Weapon with useful stat buffs. loving incredible.

*Or even Lu Bu himself, but given how he's effectively a wall of instant-death for anyone that gets close to his position (R.I.P. Yuan Shu) this is just a laughable condition.

Jupiter Jazz posted:

I played some of that last night and it's still awesome. Felt like Ieyasu ai was cheating though
No surprise there. The AI probably does cheat; they always get just the roll they need in Sugoroku to avoid paying hefty fees, and during the minigames they nigh-invariably make all the right choices (such as in that 'smash the doors' deal).

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Takoluka posted:

Oh, this was just in reference to video games. WeChat is definitely Tencent's bread-and-butter. They just also happen to have their hands in a ton of stuff as an investment firm, so their name comes up a lot.

Ya they are the epitome of the 21st big tech company although they started as a company that made a messenger app they have basically expanded into everything tech related much like companies like Google, Amazon.

As for the Dynasty Warrior collab with Koei, I am surprised this didn't happen sooner as the ROTK games are pretty popular in China even more than DW. China loves mobile games, f2p and are already use to playing strategy/rts on mobile so it would have been better to have ROTK mobile version.

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kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Ulio posted:

As for the Dynasty Warrior collab with Koei, I am surprised this didn't happen sooner as the ROTK games are pretty popular in China even more than DW. China loves mobile games, f2p and are already use to playing strategy/rts on mobile so it would have been better to have ROTK mobile version.

Oh they did. It's mostly just a city builder with no land expansion or political stuff and well,

https://twitter.com/Kirbysuperstar/status/1067324229568221185

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