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Raenir Salazar posted:I checked this link and still no mention of fissile materials or transfer of knowhow regarding making nuclear weapons. Which is an altogether much more serious allegation then as to whether Korea was simply able to continue doing whatever accounting it needed to do to bootstrap its nuclear weapons program or develop its delivery systems as China is a signatory to the NPT. Export controls on nuclear fissile materials is basically the one thing the world has done a largely decently good job at controlling, so this is a much bigger deal than if North Korea was able to buy a scientific calculator and shouldn't by idly mentioned together. So you aren't disputing the presence of a massive network of Chinese front companies intended to evade sanctions that North Korea uses to smuggle everything from ballistic missile equipment to luxury items, you're just assuming that no fissile material ever went through it on the basis of "China would never allow that, they even signed a treaty?"
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Koramei posted:It's one sentence that betrays a significant lack of understanding of how modern Koreans see their history with China, and it's like the third or fourth time I've called you out on it in these forums. Sorry for jumping down your throat but I was a lot kinder the last times as I recall. Thanks! There is a conversation I'd like to have, but maybe not here. Maybe later this week I'll pm you my questions. Fojar38 posted:So you aren't disputing the presence of a massive network of Chinese front companies intended to evade sanctions that North Korea uses to smuggle everything from ballistic missile equipment to luxury items, you're just assuming that no fissile material ever went through it on the basis of "China would never allow that, they even signed a treaty?" I never disputed that North Korea got some materials tangentially useful somehow from China; North Korea got a lot of stuff useful from a lot of countries I am disputing that China gave North Korea something along the lines of yellowcake (Since you did insist on fissile materials). You do not appear to have the facts on your side there. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:I never disputed that North Korea got some materials tangentially useful somehow from China; North Korea got a lot of stuff useful from a lot of countries I am disputing that China gave North Korea something along the lines of yellowcake (Since you did insist on fissile materials). You do not appear to have the facts on your side there. Considering the sheer scale of Chinese smuggling into North Korea, and the sheer variety of what is smuggled, and the lack of viable alternative routes into North Korea for illicit trade that violates international sanctions, it's a virtual certainty that they've been getting what they needed for their nuclear program via China, especially in the 21st century. Maybe not originating from China, but from China nonetheless. I never said that Beijing is willfully doing this directly as an official policy, I said that Beijing is well aware of these smuggling networks and does virtually nothing to stop it, and when they do it's entirely on the basis of their own geopolitical interests (ie whether or not they think that nuclear sabre-rattling from North Korea is of benefit to them) This is what plausible deniability is.
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Fojar38 posted:Considering the sheer scale of Chinese smuggling into North Korea, and the sheer variety of what is smuggled, and the lack of viable alternative routes into North Korea for illicit trade that violates international sanctions, it's a virtual certainty that they've been getting what they needed for their nuclear program via China, especially in the 21st century. Maybe not originating from China, but from China nonetheless. This isn't how it works. The knowhow for constructing centrifuges, for acquiring enriched uranium and so on, all of this all they needed to get of this, they got during the cold war, from sources other than China. They would've had zero need for any of this from China in the modern day. The cold war airpower thread can answer this better.
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It keeps happening. https://twitter.com/emilyrauhala/status/1277571321862504449
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quote:new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz. Wikipedia posted:Adrian Zenz is a German anthropologist known for his studies on Xinjiang re-education camps. He is a lecturer in social research methodology at the European School of Culture and Theology and a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. In his book "Worthy to Escape", he predicts the fall of capitalism (identified as "Babylon") and consequent rise to power of the Antichrist. Zenz links other aspects of modern society, such as homosexuality and non-violent parenting, to "power behind the Antichrist". Right. Okay.
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You know that there is a lot of evidence in that article apart from just that right? Including first hand accounts from interviewed survivors? Maybe you shouldn't cherrypick stuff so you can make easy ad hominems for the purpose of denying genocide.
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also really cool that "being Christian" is enough reason to deny anything anyone says
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 Unless Zenz some kind of supervillain who has infiltrated the National Bureau of Statistics it’s hard to imagine this isn’t at least mostly real.
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Kassad posted:Right. Okay. Because apparently ad-hominem stops being a logical fallacy when a tankie uses it.
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adrian zenz is a massively hosed up human being, but his research is solid
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Tweezer Reprise posted:also really cool that "being Christian" is enough reason to deny anything anyone says You'll have to excuse me for having doubts about somebody I've just heard of only to find out he believes in crazy poo poo like the rapture. therobit posted:Because apparently ad-hominem stops being a logical fallacy when a tankie uses it. Like it does when you call someone a tankie, apparently.
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Kassad posted:You'll have to excuse me for having doubts about somebody I've just heard of only to find out he believes in crazy poo poo like the rapture.
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Kassad posted:You'll have to excuse me for having doubts about somebody I've just heard of only to find out he believes in crazy poo poo like the rapture. Why don't you buy a gun, go home, and make yourself a good communist. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kassad posted:You'll have to excuse me for having doubts about somebody I've just heard of only to find out he believes in crazy poo poo like the rapture. very edgy, not to make this a derail about xianity, but just so you know not all christians profess the exact theology of history channel specials. there are many multitudes of ways to interpret the book of 1 thessalonians e: forgot which book it was Tweezer Reprise fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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I was looking up the history of the White Terror in Taiwan, and found this documentary made in the 90s when the KMT was losing its grip on power. Its about the February 28 incident and the early occupation of Taiwan by the KMT. It has a lot of footage of the atrocities and witness and children of victims recounting extremely graphic accounts of torture so view with caution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOUQU8YasQ Given how bloody and corrupt the KMT was for decades, I'm curious how the shifting alliances between the CCP and the KMT was received in the PRC.
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Baka-nin posted:I was looking up the history of the White Terror in Taiwan, and found this documentary made in the 90s when the KMT was losing its grip on power. Its about the February 28 incident and the early occupation of Taiwan by the KMT. It has a lot of footage of the atrocities and witness and children of victims recounting extremely graphic accounts of torture so view with caution.
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Kassad posted:Right. Okay. lmao if you, at this point, doubt the CCP is doing a literal genocide. At least take the correct Tankie stance, which is: "Hm yes, but these terrorists deserve it for destabilizing the people's republic with their existence".
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KMT has been neutered by the DPP in the last 10 years or so after they took away all the KMT party owned business. They are so pathetic now they want to rename themselves from "Chinese Nationalist Peoples Party" to "Taiwanese Nationalist Peoples Party". Don't expect KMT to mount any credible opposition party resistance to DPP in the future.
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China just made subversion in HK a crime punishable by life in prison. The law punishes crimes of secession, subversion and collusion with foreign forces with up to life in prison in Hong Kong, which was guaranteed freedoms not enjoyed on the mainland under a “one country, two systems” formula at its 1997 handover. Funny that the Chinese tankies will state " see china knows the cia is involved in HK so that's why they made this law to stop the cia and mi5 from taking over china!"
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It's that time of the year again "China Megathread - Thousands in HK gather to celebrate Party's Birthday"
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are the reports of a lot of the opposition to this law resigning right after it passed verified? That seemed very weird to me.
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sexpig by night posted:are the reports of a lot of the opposition to this law resigning right after it passed verified? That seemed very weird to me. being in the opposition in hong kong now is at best futile and at worst gets you a lifetime in a black jail in the mainland
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Jeoh posted:being in the opposition in hong kong now is at best futile and at worst gets you a lifetime in a black jail in the mainland  caberham ate too many chicken burgers
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if you've posted in this thread and r guyovich or pevan stan didn't like your posts, well, under Part 4 Article 38: "This Law shall apply to offences under this Law committed against the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from outside the Region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the Region" in short, you're going to hong kong jail, where all you get is macaroni soup
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All these genocides, ethnonationalistic militaristic expansions, and emergent new rules enforcing strict despotic authoritarianism against practically any form of dissent in held areas will help China in their quest to oppose imperialism
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One country, one system!
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sexpig by night posted:are the reports of a lot of the opposition to this law resigning right after it passed verified? That seemed very weird to me. I read on CNN that Joshua Wong left Demosisto and a lot of other opposition parties disbanded. It's not surprising considering being in those parties is probably a literal death sentence now.
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sexpig by night posted:are the reports of a lot of the opposition to this law resigning right after it passed verified? That seemed very weird to me. The opposition no longer exists. HK's legislative branch is a rubber stamp legislature just like in the mainland.
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What happen to Kill All Cops? Is he still around (physically)?
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Kavros posted:All these genocides, ethnonationalistic militaristic expansions, and emergent new rules enforcing strict despotic authoritarianism against practically any form of dissent in held areas will help China in their quest to oppose imperialism Don't forget anti colonial. Also don't ever take sexpigs bait he's basically a Nazi apologist. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Don't forget anti colonial. Also don't ever take sexpigs bait he's basically a Nazi apologist. what the gently caress
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just for the record when I said 'weird' I did genuinely mean weird, as in I was asking if they actually said they were leaving or if the majority said 'yea those guys are stepping down' 'for' them.
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sexpig by night posted:just for the record when I said 'weird' I did genuinely mean weird, as in I was asking if they actually said they were leaving or if the majority said 'yea those guys are stepping down' 'for' them. They just quit their new pro protest party en mass, announced it on Twitter, and disbanded the party. Is this what you are asking?
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Welp so much for ever going back to Hong Kong ever again. Shame cause it was such a cool city.
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What's funny is that at least in Canada, young Muslims (I'm using it in a cultural sense) are in my experience the most sympathetic to Revolutionary Marxism. This whole Uighur genocide apologia is a massive turnoff. Also the Marxism thread mentioned that minorities get a lot of respect and privilege from the Chinese state, i.e protection of language, religion etc. Excluding the Uighur and Tibetans, is this true of the Hui and other minorities.
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ToxicAcne posted:What's funny is that at least in Canada, young Muslims (I'm using it in a cultural sense) are in my experience the most sympathetic to Revolutionary Marxism. This whole Uighur genocide apologia is a massive turnoff. What makes you think Uighir and Tibetan language and religion arent protected? As long as they're not dissenting against the gov't that is. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Mandarin education in the concentration camps seems to me a pretty clear attempt to wipe out the Uighur language.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:What makes you think Uighir and Tibetan language and religion arent protected? As long as they're not dissenting against the gov't that is. Yes, dissenting against the government my "existing," "having a religion," and "having kids."
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