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ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





If you’re all about exploring trans themes then check out kill six billion demons.

Also do that even if you’re not. It’s very good.

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Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Wait that's got trans themes too? What. I think I only read like three pages of it, maybe?

Just as long as. Wait, the author of Goblins is trans too y/n? I feel like that came up at one point.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008

Cat Mattress posted:

It started as the latter and gradually moved toward the former. There's still a lot of nonsense about magic and aliens and and stuff, so it can be largely seen as wish fulfillment that the regular trans characters that were introduced (regular as in, they're trans and don't have magic powers to change their bodies accordingly) have been given magic powers to change their bodies accordingly pretty quickly after their introduction. Several of the main characters have been canonically established as genderfluid.


It's what's done generally, yes.



Oh, perfect!

Thank you both for this!


ConfusedUs posted:

If you’re all about exploring trans themes then check out kill six billion demons.

Also do that even if you’re not. It’s very good.

I binge read the entire thing about two weeks ago. Absolutely beautiful and well told story. I recommend it to all my friends now.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
One of the main characters of K6BD has spent the entire length of the comic trying to break out of her egg and accept herself as female, but is running up against the conformity and internalized poo poo she’s been dealing with her whole life.

She is also an angel in stone armor who does kung fu.

Remalle
Feb 12, 2020


Manuel Calavera posted:

Just as long as. Wait, the author of Goblins is trans too y/n? I feel like that came up at one point.
Yes, she is.

That was great :)

ConfusedUs posted:

If you’re all about exploring trans themes then check out kill six billion demons.
Also do that even if you’re not. It’s very good.
I've been making my way through this slowly, but haven't reached anything with trans themes yet, I'll need to step that up!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Oh man, real life comics, haven't thought about that comic for probably a decade. It's still running, huh? Grats on Mael for transistioning!

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Remalle posted:

Yes, she is.

That was great :)

I've been making my way through this slowly, but haven't reached anything with trans themes yet, I'll need to step that up!

You're not paying close enough attention. Page 15 has White Chain visibly upset about being labeled female, and she is taunted for it.

It builds slowly from there but becomes a major part of the character! You get to journey along with her all the way from total self-denial to acceptance by peers. And her journey is still unfinished, so it could grow some more.

It's wonderful.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

McCloud posted:

Oh man, real life comics, haven't thought about that comic for probably a decade. It's still running, huh? Grats on Mael for transistioning!

Didn't the author get in hot water for taking money for merch and not delivering?

Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

Manuel Calavera posted:

Wait that's got trans themes too? What. I think I only read like three pages of it, maybe?

Just as long as. Wait, the author of Goblins is trans too y/n? I feel like that came up at one point.

She is, yes. I'm not sure if 'Ellipsis' is her new name or her new pen name.

That said, Goblins is still terrible.

oobey
Nov 19, 2002

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Batman's Shameful Secret > The Order of the Stick: Hey, you remember the Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity? Haha, well, I'm not sure how to say this, but...

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Parahexavoctal posted:

She is, yes. I'm not sure if 'Ellipsis' is her new name or her new pen name.

That said, Goblins is still terrible.

Well yeah that goes without saying. Anything I know about Goblins I learned from this thread. I just wanted to be sure I was remembering right.

lol oobey.

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Schwarzwald posted:

Any redemption for Redcloak will be ultimately unsatisfying because his cause is too transparently just.

The best redemption Redcloak could get, I think, is admitting he was wrong in at least some of what he did.

e: like maybe what he did to his brother wasn't cool

Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jul 1, 2020

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

He's sort of already done that by not persecuting hobgoblins any more.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

There's a lot to unpack with EGS. It'd probably be easiest to say that the creator really enjoys bodily transformation on the level where it's probably a fetish, but it never gets up to the point where it's even porn-adjacent and it's handled relatively intelligently. It's also gradually acquired a lot of weird continuity over the years, so it's more or less impenetrable without a fan wiki.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
I remember really liking El goonish shive as a teen but I fell out of it in like 2008, kinda happy to see its still kicking

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Raenir Salazar posted:

Is there a reason why you've only stopped posting in the stars citizens thread to post in this thread, to only talk poo poo about a different webcomic than the one this thread is ostensibly about?

This isn't the stars citizen thread, whatever the gently caress that is, so don't drag other posters about stars citizen in it. I mean, this isn't the El Goonish Shive thread either, but nobody is talking about El Goonish Shive specifically to call out other posters.

That being said I get that each webcomic thread has its own community feel so if you'd all prefer to keep talking about trans representation in webcomics here you can do so, but I also think it's a good conversation worth having over in the general webcomics thread.

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!

Wanderer posted:

the creator really enjoys bodily transformation on the level where it's probably a fetish

Not nearly as much as he enjoys exposition, though.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Fuego Fish posted:

Not nearly as much as he enjoys exposition, though.

Or taking a dumb joke from when it was more of a gag a day comic and turning it into the central plot point of an entire multi chapter arc

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









I hope rich is ok

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

Cat Mattress posted:

"EGS takes place in a different universe in the year 20XX" --https://www.egscomics.com/comic/party-171

(yes, it's 171 pages on in a "party" arc that mostly consists of people sitting on a couch and expositing at each other so that everyone is caught up on the plot)

So I stopped reading EGS like a decade ago, because the lead up to a party was taking to long. This cannot possibly be the same party? Right? Please?

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




Wanderer posted:

There's a lot to unpack with EGS. It'd probably be easiest to say that the creator really enjoys bodily transformation on the level where it's probably a fetish, but it never gets up to the point where it's even porn-adjacent and it's handled relatively intelligently. It's also gradually acquired a lot of weird continuity over the years, so it's more or less impenetrable without a fan wiki.

That particular strip is pretty emblematic of the comic as a whole, so I felt it was a good way to make an informed conclusion.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW

Patrick Spens posted:

So I stopped reading EGS like a decade ago, because the lead up to a party was taking to long. This cannot possibly be the same party? Right? Please?

It's a different party.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Gnoman posted:

That particular strip is pretty emblematic of the comic as a whole, so I felt it was a good way to make an informed conclusion.

You aren't wrong. I was piggybacking to say that the best precise critical evaluation of EGS, moreso than a lot of comics, is "there's a lot going on there."

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

YggiDee posted:

It's a different party.

Oh thank god.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Raenir Salazar posted:

Is there a reason why you've only stopped posting in the stars citizens thread to post in this thread, to only talk poo poo about a different webcomic than the one this thread is ostensibly about?

Well, I haven't stopped posting in the SC thread and I do post in this thread from time to time so... wait a second! Why do I need a reason to talk poo poo about a super lovely webcomic?

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Edit: My first try at this was a little reductive and unfair.

trucutru, it's been dealt with, please drop it. Post about OotS or something and move on.

How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 2, 2020

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Colonel Cool posted:

He's sort of already done that by not persecuting hobgoblins any more.

Aren’t Hobgoblins supposed to be fantasy Nazi’s?

Always punch Hobgoblins.

Bell_
Sep 3, 2006

Tiny Baltimore
A billion light years away
A goon's posting the same thing
But he's already turned to dust
And the shitpost we read
Is a billion light-years old
A ghost just like the rest of us

The Question IRL posted:

Aren’t Hobgoblins supposed to be fantasy Nazi’s?

Always punch Hobgoblins.
Redcloak probably felt that way too, all the way up until one selflessly sacrificed their life to save him from certain death.

Daikloktos
Jan 1, 2020

by Cyrano4747
I have to assume Oona and the Bugbears will come into play congruent to that

oobey
Nov 19, 2002

After binge reading all of K6BD, I decided to go back and reread OOTS from the beginning. It's really been fun watching the strip crawl out of the gag-a-day doldrums and develop into an entertaining story. I have two observations I want to make at this time.

First, I love you Rich and OOTS, but 282 is an abomination of a comic strip. I'm keeping this one bookmarked for the next time I need to crush some random passerby under a metaphorical mountain of words.

Second, 379 is a hoot. I want a PDF of nothing but Shojo chaos dunking on Roy for like 30 straight pages, please.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

oobey posted:

After binge reading all of K6BD, I decided to go back and reread OOTS from the beginning. It's really been fun watching the strip crawl out of the gag-a-day doldrums and develop into an entertaining story. I have two observations I want to make at this time.

First, I love you Rich and OOTS, but 282 is an abomination of a comic strip. I'm keeping this one bookmarked for the next time I need to crush some random passerby under a metaphorical mountain of words.

Second, 379 is a hoot. I want a PDF of nothing but Shojo chaos dunking on Roy for like 30 straight pages, please.

I don't think I've ever actually read all of 282. The one oots strip that's true of.

Because the pile of words we're being subjected to there don't even highlight the main conflict of the scene

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









It's hilarious, come on

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
There is nothing I find love more when it comes to the characters quirks then belkar genuinely liking Lord shojo

Eeepies
May 29, 2013

Bocchi-chan's... dead.
We'll have to find a new guitarist.

oobey posted:

After binge reading all of K6BD, I decided to go back and reread OOTS from the beginning. It's really been fun watching the strip crawl out of the gag-a-day doldrums and develop into an entertaining story. I have two observations I want to make at this time.

First, I love you Rich and OOTS, but 282 is an abomination of a comic strip. I'm keeping this one bookmarked for the next time I need to crush some random passerby under a metaphorical mountain of words.

Second, 379 is a hoot. I want a PDF of nothing but Shojo chaos dunking on Roy for like 30 straight pages, please.

Without even opening the page i knew 282 was the trial, that was a memorable strip.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Shojo owns and I so hope that Belkar gets to smoke cigars rolled from 100 dollar bills with him in the afterlife.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS

oobey posted:

First, I love you Rich and OOTS, but 282 is an abomination of a comic strip. I'm keeping this one bookmarked for the next time I need to crush some random passerby under a metaphorical mountain of words.

That's pretty tame compared to the average Subnormality strip. The text there could turn coal into diamonds.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

ConfusedUs posted:

Shojo owns and I so hope that Belkar gets to smoke cigars rolled from 100 dollar bills with him in the afterlife.

The mythology is not clear what you're supposed to do in the after life if your friends or family are another alignment

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

oobey posted:

First, I love you Rich and OOTS, but 282 is an abomination of a comic strip. I'm keeping this one bookmarked for the next time I need to crush some random passerby under a metaphorical mountain of words.
I don't think I've ever even managed to read a quarter of whatever the lawyer is blabbering on about. My eyes just go slightly glassy and I head on to 283 instead.

SalamInsurrection
Jun 8, 2020

by Cyrano4747

ikanreed posted:

The mythology is not clear what you're supposed to do in the after life if your friends or family are another alignment

Almost like sorting people based on adherence to arbitrary laws and arbitrary "goodness" levels is an inherently hosed up concept.

if the afterlife exists and is anything other than a big anarchist commune (including reincarnation), attack and dethrone the gods :coolzone:

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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




Poil posted:

I don't think I've ever even managed to read a quarter of whatever the lawyer is blabbering on about. My eyes just go slightly glassy and I head on to 283 instead.

That is the joke.

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