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Coolguye posted:i mean hard disagree on that? societies might have a relatively shallow set of events, but without them, peace time is incredibly boring and has very little going on. Sorry, "peace time"?
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Coolguye posted:the AI most definitely uses the goddamn satanist society Maybe, but AI is ineffective. Societies ask very little of you and give huge benefits. It costs almost nothing to join and then even if you don't engage with quests you'll be a high ranking character later in life. It sounds like stop having fun kind of critique, but the point is AI doesn't play it in obvious effective ways. It doesn't mash "join society" button on day 1, it doesn't get loads of prestige or piety allowing for any kind of war you want. I hope CK3 won't have features like that. If there's anything like societies they should have higher requirements. You should also have a lot of non-rulers in there making it harder for rulers to compete.
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I do like the Monarch's Journey start where you play as a secretly Jewish guy running Baghdad and no one seems to notice. Is there some risk of being discovered if you're worshipping in secret?Jedit posted:Sorry, "peace time"? War in EU4 requires a lot of micro, but in CK2 I just smash the enemy doomstacks with my own and then turn up the speed for the sieges. I know Paradox games are partly modeled on real-time strategy but this aspect of the game isn't all that compelling. Vivian Darkbloom fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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One thing I disliked socities was that they never really felt like an actual organisation with an exiisting community of members and more like a powerup button and a list of random characters from halfway across the world. If they wanted to give it another go, the best implementation I could imagine would be to severly limit membership geographically, so that each society would actually contain characters relevant to the player, and to have them function similarly to an actual realm with a clear hierachy and a need to manage your subordinates while joslting for a higher postion through a variety of means, as opposed to arbitary point accumulation. Having parallel hierachies between realms and societies could create some interesting dilemmas, such as vassals who are more important in the society than their leige offering oppotunities for advancement in exchange for a reduction in feudal obligations. Vagabong fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Jun 30, 2020 12:50
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I love societies, they just need to add some more complications. Being a member shouldn't give you an approval boost with everyone else in the society, any more than it does in reality. With strangers maybe it's a plus, but those who have met you may actually like you less, and competitors for society office may hate your guts. Writing a Hermetic book may give you a bonus for a while and then bring shame on your dynasty when its ideas fall out of favour. Things like that.
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New dev diary about the feudal contract https://www.crusaderkings.com/news/...0200630_cawe_dd
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That sounds very cool on paper but I have a strong suspicion I'll leave these contacts exactly on the default for the entire game in like, 95% of playthroughs.
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It'll be interesting to use with King level vassals. Dukes on the ether hand..well it'd be useful when you are small.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:New dev diary about the feudal contract
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Dwesa posted:it seems CK3 devs prefer cats to dogs 
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That's neat. Even if you aren't going to care about a lot of the fine print as liege it gives you stuff to aim for as a vassal.
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Jedit posted:Sorry, "peace time"? 
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cant wait for popup spam as my vassals keep demanding lower taxes tho
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The thread regarding the dev diary reveals another difference between clan and feudal governments, only feudal lords can negotiate contracts with their vassals and have special features. Clans seem to just have a sliding scale of contribution based on opinion. Also, modding can define new governments with access to new and different contracts.luxury handset posted:cant wait for popup spam as my vassals keep demanding lower taxes tho I don't think it works like that, it sounds like only the liege can re-negotiate, and only once per character. The comment in the thread says that if you're a vassal, you just get the terms laid out to you and told to deal with it. Seems like you have to rebel to change things as a vassal.
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The DD says vassals can renegotiate, but they either need to spend a hook or offer an 'even' trade.
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Sindai posted:The DD says vassals can renegotiate, but they either need to spend a hook or offer an 'even' trade. I stand corrected then, must've read over it too fast. Though with those terms it doesn't seem like it'll be too spammy, at least hopefully not.
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I do wonder how it's going to work if your vassals defeat you in a civil war and all want to renegotiate their contracts at the same time. Being a liege and having to constantly scheme against your vassals to get better deals out of them sounds like an interesting way to spend peacetime. Hopefully there will be good visualizations of your finances or levies to make those sorts of gains feel more tangible. I feel like I'd like a more complicated system for Tyranny than just an opinion penalty for all vassals at once.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I do like the Monarch's Journey start where you play as a secretly Jewish guy running Baghdad and no one seems to notice. Is there some risk of being discovered if you're worshipping in secret? Yes, having a secret religion means you can be caught by the "hunt heretic" job like satanists. I don't know how often the AI uses this, though, and if you're independent it doesn't matter at all (although I think if you're independent you have to openly declare your religion? I've never really messed around with secret religions so I'm not 100% sure on how they work).
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yes, having a secret religion means you can be caught by the "hunt heretic" job like satanists. I don't know how often the AI uses this, though, and if you're independent it doesn't matter at all (although I think if you're independent you have to openly declare your religion? I've never really messed around with secret religions so I'm not 100% sure on how they work). I was able to go secret Cathar as the independent King of Brittany and converted most of the realm. Then some zealous Waldensian dweeb inherited the realm, and that one isn't even fun!
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The best part of CK3 is that every religion will be more meaningfully different. No more 'Catholicism but objectively worse' or 'Judaism with a different name'.
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I for one look forward to integrating cannibalism as a mainline belief in any and all religions.
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Various Meat Products posted:I for one look forward to integrating cannibalism as a mainline belief in any and all religions. I mean it's already in Catholicism (transubstantiation)
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fuf posted:I mean it's already in Catholicism (transubstantiation) yeah you're already getting the picture (the picture is me eating dudes)
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fuckin powerful username/post combo
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Since CK2+ is out remaking itself, what are the goto mods/mod packages right now? I can't get the Crisis of the Confederation to work even with version rollback so suggestions? Or is it just waiting for CK3 when things are gonna get weird?
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Incelshok Na posted:Since CK2+ is out remaking itself, what are the goto mods/mod packages right now? I can't get the Crisis of the Confederation to work even with version rollback so suggestions? Or is it just waiting for CK3 when things are gonna get weird?
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CK3 is up on Xbox Game Pass. It’s a 10MB stub that throws up an error message when you try to launch it.
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Lazyhound posted:CK3 is up on Xbox Game Pass. I mean hilarious spoiler aside is CK3 releasing on Xbox?
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Zane posted:hip is fairly up to date and has incorporated most of the features from ck2+. check out the after the end fan fork if you haven't. it's pretty impressive. Maybe I'm not good enough at the game, but I always feel like HIP is trying to railroad me down a historical path. That's helpfully educational* but it's not necessarily fun. If I can't have a recently-converted-to-Christendom Norse Bulgarian king go from Varangian to Emperor then what is the point? *I'm sad that CK3 won't have every year as a start date. I didn't take advantage of playing them but I have been able to give my spouse some great history lessons using them since she had, like, zero history education
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GHOST_BUTT posted:I mean hilarious spoiler aside is CK3 releasing on Xbox? It's an XBOX exclusive.
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Lazyhound posted:CK3 is up on Xbox Game Pass. The most stable Paradox release to date!
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GHOST_BUTT posted:I mean hilarious spoiler aside is CK3 releasing on Xbox? I don’t believe so, it’s simply that it’s going to be on the PC version of Xbox game pass as well as the normal release. If anything it means you can play day one for the trial price of game pass, and if the game is buggy as poo poo just wait to purchase properly!
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I don't care what else is in this game. I am going to start an offshoot Christian cult with the trait where lustful is a virtue and enact the nudism trait.
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Jul 3, 2020 08:07
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Feudally-Automated Lombardy Gay Space Catholicism
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Antifa Spacemarine posted:I don't care what else is in this game. I am going to start an offshoot Christian cult with the trait where lustful is a virtue and enact the nudism trait. There was a preacher in like 1600s England who was basically that. His whole thesis was that Jesus died for our sins so, well, we may as well make his sacrifice worthwhile. There were plenty of movements that were supposedly like that in antiquity but that one stands out because we have reliable contemporary records as opposed to *just* stuff from people that wanted to discredit him.
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Incelshok Na posted:Maybe I'm not good enough at the game, but I always feel like HIP is trying to railroad me down a historical path. That's helpfully educational* but it's not necessarily fun. If I can't have a recently-converted-to-Christendom Norse Bulgarian king go from Varangian to Emperor then what is the point? Zane fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jul 3, 2020 |
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megane posted:Feudally-Automated Lombardy Gay Space Catholicism
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Mantis42 posted:It's an XBOX exclusive. Tracks with some past pdox decisions
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I noticed in pretty much every video and LP that there's a notification if you have claims that you can press, but it doesn't appear in my games. Is there a mod that I need to get for that?
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