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"In homes where a meal is cooked on a gas stove once a week, 60 percent have pollutant levels so toxic that they would be illegal if measured outdoors." The citation for this claim links to a berkeley lab article which talks about that claim, and in turn links to the primary source for the research. They never actually test air quality in a real home. It's all simulation models in R. The berkeley labs article is also arguing for the installation of effective range hoods and ranges with better burning efficiencies. I'l cede not knowing much about the extraction of natural gas, but there's safe ways to burn gas in the home. Restaurants use gas ranges and are subject to occupational exposure limits. I'm sure lots of line cooks are regularly poisoning themselves with no2, but in theory it can be done safely. I'd like to think we can eventually have carbon neutral bioreactors producing natural gas to feed commercial and residential. I'm not shilling for the oil industry, I just like cooking and electric ranges are universally garbage
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i say swears online posted:you can tell he's hiding his sharp-rear end elbows the artist hates drawing elbows
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Hooplah posted:I'd like to think we can eventually have carbon neutral bioreactors producing natural gas to feed commercial and residential. unfortunately methane is such a potent greenhouse gas that even a little leakage ruins it for the climate. Biden is going to be a massive shill for “renewable natural gas” even as the science shows it’s terrible for the climate. But you can still burn wood!
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You'll take my gas range from my cold dead hands. Induction is second best but it limits what kind of cookware you can use on it.
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i imagine if you completely eliminated coal, gas, and oil burning for electricity, transportation and industrial production, then natural gas for restaurant and home cooking would be incredibly negligible
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Trabisnikof posted:unfortunately methane is such a potent greenhouse gas that even a little leakage ruins it for the climate. yeah i understand it's a fraught viewpoint and completely personally motivated. I just really dont want to be forced into coils or induction
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Felix apperantly moved to Japan while I wasn't looking. https://kotaku.com/student-arrested-for-allegedly-threatening-to-bomb-kona-1844230037
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THS posted:i imagine if you completely eliminated coal, gas, and oil burning for electricity, transportation and industrial production, then natural gas for restaurant and home cooking would be incredibly negligible except it isn’t because you’d have to keep the entire natural gas production, supply and distribution system operational and that leaks a loving lot of methane. Hooplah posted:yeah i understand it's a fraught viewpoint and completely personally motivated. I just really dont want to be forced into coils or induction Oh I hear ya. Like I too would rather have gas but doesn’t look too good in the future. But yeah we’re so culturally unprepared to adapt to climate change that of course the Dems are going to gently caress it up and turn this country full fasc. Like we need every single ICE vehicle to stop driving. Imagine the Biden plan to phase out cars. You know it will include tax credits for the rich and end up with riots in rural communities.
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the settlers of catan boxes are a nice little detail
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It's incredible that Little-B kept the same glasses throughout his time in the YPP. I'd have lost that poo poo a dozen times over and just been blind.
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Omnicarus posted:It's incredible that Little-B kept the same glasses throughout his time in the YPP. I'd have lost that poo poo a dozen times over and just been blind. He did constantly lose them, he just kept accidently taking out dug in enemies while trying to find them.
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if everything else is under control then methane isn't a problem. it's potent but has a low half life, so you really half to dump endless tonnes of the stuff to push the equivalence point further over to favouring significantly higher concentrations in atmosphere. CO2 is still the killer because even though it's not that potent, it lasts forever (or until a living process locks it up for a while), so it just accumulates in the air.
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Retromancer posted:Felix apperantly moved to Japan while I wasn't looking. Apparently the reason he was mad was connection issues in a mobile game. So in that case I don't believe the the terrorist threat was warranted
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why is he trying to look like an anime character
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Lady Militant posted:why is he trying to look like an anime character very few anime character wear a beanie and basketball shorts
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Omnicarus posted:It's incredible that Little-B kept the same glasses throughout his time in the YPP. I'd have lost that poo poo a dozen times over and just been blind. they had multiple pairs on the set in Arizona
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Gripweed posted:very few anime character wear a beanie and basketball shorts why is the beanie is shaped like the head of a crayon
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Lady Militant posted:why is the beanie is shaped like the head of a crayon I don't know.
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Toplowtech posted:The Orange Cheetos is in the Guild of Calamitous Intent and Obama is in the Office of Secret Intelligence. 
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The Guild and OSI had a kayfabe rivalry with one stipulation that cops (and not civilians) are to be protected at all costs so it fits
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Toplowtech posted:The Orange Cheetos is in the Guild of Calamitous Intent and Obama is in the Office of Secret Intelligence. That episode where the OSI guy gets SRS but it's Michelle
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Retromancer posted:That episode where the OSI guy gets SRS but it's Michelle lol
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Someone photoshop a big H on Jeffery Epstein’s head.
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Trabisnikof posted:except it isn’t because you’d have to keep the entire natural gas production, supply and distribution system operational and that leaks a loving lot of methane. There's not enough cobalt or lithium world proven supplies to replace every combustion engine vehicle with electric, not by a long shot.
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what if... we didn't have personal cars...? 
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Isn't The Machinist too recent to have a reboot
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Shipon posted:There's not enough cobalt or lithium world proven supplies to replace every combustion engine vehicle with electric, not by a long shot. make cities walkable, with an ascending order of filling the gaps with bicycles, buses, subways and light rail, and high speed rail. vehicles should be reserved for rural travel, utilities, and emergency services, and hauling materials where rail doesn’t make sense all powered by nuclear energy but let’s try not to derail into that argument again THS has issued a correction as of 21:34 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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Alternatively instead of further aggressive construction VHEMT.
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THS posted:make cities walkable, with an ascending order of filling the gaps with bicycles, buses, subways and light rail, and high speed rail. vehicles should be reserved for rural travel, utilities, and emergency services, and hauling materials where rail doesn’t make sense There's no time like the present to try to cram as many people together as possible in small spaces, especially when they can't even go to shared public spaces due to a plague
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mastershakeman posted:There's no time like the present to try to cram as many people together as possible in small spaces, especially when they can't even go to shared public spaces due to a plague probably shouldn’t build cities around the issues of once-in-a-century plagues - and regardless you’re a loving moron because highly dense areas in asia were able to limit Covid through contact tracing, mass testing, and effective lockdowns so a) lack of effective state action is what is causing the worst of the pandemic, not dense, walkable cities with public transport and b) you’re a loving idiot dude
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Shipon posted:There's not enough cobalt or lithium world proven supplies to replace every combustion engine vehicle with electric, not by a long shot. as others have pointed out, we still have to ban ICE vehicles even if as you correctly point out “replace them with EV POVs” doesn’t work either. like people whine about planes, but we’re not laying the groundwork to end the American Car Culture or hell just admit we need to wind down oil and gas as an industry. THS posted:probably shouldn’t build cities around the issues of once-in-a-century plagues - and regardless you’re a loving moron because highly dense areas in asia were able to limit Covid through contact tracing, mass testing, and effective lockdowns yeah and it’s not like sprawl is saving Arizona or Georgia. although climate change will make plagues more frequent. sars-cov2 isn’t the only one we’re getting this decade. And we have the Democratic Party trying to outflank the Republicans on Climate Imperialism. The 2028 slogan for the DNC will “fight them there so we don’t have to here!”
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mastershakeman posted:There's no time like the present to try to cram as many people together as possible in small spaces, especially when they can't even go to shared public spaces due to a plague what a loving stupid contrarian take. do you have an alternative, superior proposal? are you advocating for the status quo, like that's really working out for american cities?? serious matt yglesias vibes in this post
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Shipon posted:There's not enough cobalt or lithium world proven supplies to replace every combustion engine vehicle with electric, not by a long shot. EVs also still pollute plenty, operating tires and brakepads dumps tons of particulates into the air. what we need to do is replace all those awful toxic rubber tires and brake pads with something more durable and able to break down into particulates, like steel wheels and airbrakes though still you need to get more EVs off of the road, because of how ridiculously energy inefficient personal vehicles are, so some kind of higher-occupancy vehicle is in order, like maybe a sort of small bus of course these specialized wheels and occupancy needs are likely unsuitable for a standard roadway, so we'll need to convert a lane or so in each direction on some major roadways to support these hypothetical future vehicles, which would even give us the opportunity to electrically power them from a constant source, rather than using banks and banks of polluting batteries and dealing with long charge times. in fact that would probably cost the same or even less than installing personal charging points everywhere like parking meters would otherwise need to be
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:EVs also still pollute plenty, operating tires and brakepads dumps tons of particulates into the air. what we need to do is replace all those awful toxic rubber tires and brake pads with something more durable and able to break down into particulates, like steel wheels and airbrakes yeah idk people still crash a lot and that's a massive waste of resources. maybe if there was some way those hypothetical future vehicles could be made so you can't just drive them off the road somehow.
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Hooplah posted:what a loving stupid contrarian take. do you have an alternative, superior proposal? are you advocating for the status quo, like that's really working out for american cities?? serious matt yglesias vibes in this post yeah its work from home and revitalize dying small towns instead of all cramming into cities with skyrocketing real estate prices
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Trabisnikof posted:yeah idk people still crash a lot and that's a massive waste of resources. maybe if there was some way those hypothetical future vehicles could be made so you can't just drive them off the road somehow. single lane enclosures on roads? maybe underground to limit exposure to pedestrians.
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mastershakeman posted:yeah its work from home and revitalize dying small towns instead of all cramming into cities with skyrocketing real estate prices this is absolutely not a hill to die on my dude
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"work from home in my small community, stay away from the gross teeming cities" as a solution to climate change is pretty much the biden plan. Just repeating the same poo poo republicans said in the 80s but calling it progressive.
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I'm all for people living out in the sticks. Other people, I mean.
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