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One of the ways the Romans were successful in building their empire was they (for the most part) didn't force their culture on people. There's a lot of evidence native languages were healthy all over the empire (e.g., we have written records that people were still speaking Punic in North Africa centuries after the fall of Carthage), but if you wanted to get ahead in the Roman world, you would have to be able to speak the common language of your region. So they didn't force you to speak Latin or Greek, you could keep speaking whatever you had been. If you wanted to join the legions or the local bureaucracy or something, though, you'd have to learn. If you just wanted to stay on your farm, whatever, just pay your taxes and don't cause trouble. The one thing that was enforced-ish is you had to make the state sacrifices to keep the gods happy. Judea was one of the more revolt-prone regions because Jews didn't want to do that.
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I'm not sure the Roman Empire of "Make a desert and call it peace" fame is the best comparison, but sure.
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How long will Winnie the Pooh survive in HK before succumbing to the new law, subversion due to 🍯?
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WarpedNaba posted:And England. I'm unaware of any of these peoples enforcing a change in language, afaik language in Britain has mostly evolved organically. Who are the "Germans again" you refer to? George I?
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Not So Fast posted:I'm not sure the Roman Empire of "Make a desert and call it peace" fame is the best comparison, but sure. A single line from a very cranky and anti-Roman historian does not really tell a complete story about a thousand+ year empire. But there is a whole thread in A/T to chat about Romans if you're interested!
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Weka posted:Who are the "Germans again" you refer to? George I? Aye, House of Hanover.
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Not So Fast posted:I'm not sure the Roman Empire of "Make a desert and call it peace" fame is the best comparison, but sure. The romans just wanted to drink wine for gods sake!
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Grand Fromage posted:A single line from a very cranky and anti-Roman historian does not really tell a complete story about a thousand+ year empire. But there is a whole thread in A/T to chat about Romans if you're interested! I think his post is enough to justify the Rome thread expanding into the China thread. It would be a purely defensive thread takeover.
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Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Also Rome never really expanded into Asia unless you count brief excursions into Mesopotamia.
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Other than the 700 years when the core of the Roman world was Anatolia, anyway. There were also one to three Roman cities in southwestern India, that was the furthest east Roman settlement went. Romans went to China so by Chinese territory claiming rules, China is Rome.
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Jul 1, 2020 05:08
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I believe you will find that Rome is traditionally Chinese territory
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Jul 1, 2020 05:24
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Tibet belongs to china the same way that china belongs to japan.
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Jul 1, 2020 05:28
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Taiwan #1: Rome #4
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Jul 1, 2020 05:45
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*holds up two fingers* Rome #5, plebeian.
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Grand Fromage posted:Other than the 700 years when the core of the Roman world was Anatolia, anyway. The Emperor called Rome the Great China, so it only makes sense that China is subservient to Great China.
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R.I.P Hong Kong. https://twitter.com/TruthAbtChina/status/1278031863383306244?s=19 Snippet from this thread. quote:Additionally, 
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Enjoy getting arrested at the airport because you wound a few tankies up.
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The Real Amethyst posted:R.I.P Hong Kong. But this is everything we already knew about the new law? Where's the juicy bits?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/foreignoffice/status/1278307822736990209 The enternal struggle between 'no foreigners allowed' and 'remind people the empire was a thing' has gone in favour of the latter. There's still plenty of scope for bullshit caveats to be introduced when more details are announced, probably some income requirement to be able to apply for 'settled' status, but it's a start.
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So I'm not a super brave person but I went out to the protests today in Causeway Bay. On the way out of the station I hear that they've just used the water cannon for the first time. The exit I took wasn't too crazy yet, just a line of cops blocking off the intersections. So I went through an alley to the next street over and it was the same, blocked off at both ends. There was a chant for Five demands, not one less, for a while. But then people were screaming and running so I ran back towards the station. I don't know what caused it but it stopped fairly quickly so maybe people were just jumpy. I know I was. It made me realize how boxed in we all were, with cops on both sides, so I left the area to go to Times Square. There were tons of people and they'd scattered all these leaflets around. I think they were info about cops, if I heard right. There was more chanting and I was here for awhile before going back out on the street. Three or four more times there was this back and forth of RUN! and OKAY COME BACK! Usually you'd hear sirens getting closer and closer and knew it was about to happen. I found out they'd just shot pepper balls at the people in the area I'd initially been. After a bit longer, I decided to head back to the station. But then poo poo popped off right there outside times square and people were running and shouting, so I did too. Once I stopped running, people were tearing things up and throwing it into the streets to block traffic. Like picking up entire metal barriers from the ground, tearing down road signs, whatever they could move, they did. I left and took a weird path towards the next train station and ended up in front of Victoria park. Stuff had been going on there all the while but it was mostly calm when I passed. Lotta cops still. They had the water cannon here, along with some dude with a big gun I guess for launching tear gas? I don't know. It was ridiculous. They couldn't stand not to harass people just trying to protest peacefully. Arresting people for waving a flag or holding an umbrella, it's horrible. The people of Hong Kong are loving strong to be out there regularly fighting this and I hate that it's a battle they probably can't win. Edited to take out photos...maybe it's a bit paranoid but whatever. bones 4 beginners fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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bones 4 beginners posted:So I'm not a super brave person but I went out to the protests today in Causeway Bay. Respect.
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Okay, who had "swine flu" for the next pandemic? Scientists Say New Strain of Swine Flu Virus Is Spreading to Humans in China quote:HONG KONG — A new strain of the H1N1 swine flu virus is spreading silently in workers on pig farms in China and should be “urgently” controlled to avoid another pandemic, a team of scientists says in a new study. So far it is unknown if any of the infections are from human-to-human transmission.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:So far it is unknown if any of the infections are from human-to-human transmission. Well it's 2020 so I'm sure the answer will be "most of them, yes".
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Fortunately, it’s still an H1N1 flu, so there should be some level of vaccine protection. Small favors in an ugly world.
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Rinkles posted:Respect.
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bones 4 beginners posted:The people of Hong Kong are loving strong to be out there regularly fighting this and I hate that it's a battle they probably can't win. Man gently caress the CCP forever. And of course the US will do nothing to help them, this is absolutely infuriating.
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Why are we, the UK, only offering 3m places? Last I checked HK has a population of 7.5m. Has there been 4.5m immigrants since 1997?
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Collateral posted:Why are we, the UK, only offering 3m places? Last I checked HK has a population of 7.5m. Has there been 4.5m immigrants since 1997? Immigrants and people born after 1997 I guess. Interestingly though I've seen the BBC reporting the new rules will apply to BNO citizens "and their dependents" so potentially a lot more people are covered.
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I heard that citizenship doesn't necessarily grant "right of residence".. is that true? Is that a thing?
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UltraRed posted:I heard that citizenship doesn't necessarily grant "right of residence".. is that true? Is that a thing? The current BNO "citizenship" doesn't, only visa free access. What they are changing is giving an automatic 5 year visa with work/study rights, and path to citizenshop afterwards.
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No joke if you're in Hong Kong right now you should get out, and get out as soon as possible. Posting in this thread is something that they can now legally put you in jail for.
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eggyolk posted:Man gently caress the CCP forever. The US has a special set of sanctions to go into place in response to this and the senate is currently advancing a bill to give Honk Kong citizens refugee status in the US. Could be that the only thing the Republican party hates more than immigrants is the Chinese government. Oberndorf posted:Fortunately, it's still an H1N1 flu, so there should be some level of vaccine protection. Small favors in an ugly world. Thank god for that. 2 years ago H3N2 came through here and killed like 10k people in this state.
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Kinda sucks to realize I will never set foot in Hong Kong again 
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So how's C-SPAM/D&D reacting to this? If at all?
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I like Hong Kong 
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same hk must be free i know a lot of expats live in aus right now, do you expect the australian government will do anything to accommodate them as well? new zealand this is your hour
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peanut posted:I like Hong Kong Same. One of the best places I ever visited. I feel terrible for everyone there.
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WarpedNaba posted:So how's C-SPAM/D&D reacting to this? If at all? D&D is skeeved out, C-SPAM is denying that it matters and also sterilization is a lie.
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