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A4R8
Feb 28, 2020

Juche cures COVID

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

turns out you need strong state power to effectively respond to extreme crises. checkmate anarchists

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Lexi missed the easy comeback that Castro was white

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Mike Pompeo trying to get published on LibCom
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1276299440807186439?s=20

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

THS posted:

turns out you need strong state power to effectively respond to extreme crises. checkmate anarchists

ridiculous, you need a multitude self governing regions with varying standards as has been demonstrated with unbelievable success in the united states of america

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

I'd say don't give them ideas, but then again: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f74e53d8-168d-41e5-8495-1df9c1ca740e

Pomeroy fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Jun 29, 2020

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


mila kunis posted:

ridiculous, you need a multitude self governing regions with varying standards as has been demonstrated with unbelievable success in the united states of america

america has strong "pick the dumbest possible option every time" energy

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

dex_sda posted:

america has strong "pick the dumbest possible option every time" energy

"Americans can always be trusted to do the wrong thing, once all other terrible possibilities have been exhausted.”

-ronald mcdonald

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



if only

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1277658172489183232?s=19

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Even while Corbyn was the head of the party they were running on increasing police budgets lol

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

GalacticAcid posted:

Even while Corbyn was the head of the party they were running on increasing police budgets lol

police dont kill many people in the uk

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
they’re still poo poo op

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Enjoy posted:

police dont kill many people in the uk

yeah? how many people do hospital and school workers kill?

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Doc Hawkins posted:

yeah? how many people do hospital and school workers kill?

22,000 per year apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-medication-errors-deaths-prescription-drugs-jeremy-hunt-york-university-health-a8224226.html

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1266277513900122112

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981


is nigel farage considered a social democrat or am I missing something

edit: oh the guy he's quoting about is labour leader, imo blairites aren't social democrats but whatever

Karl Barks fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 29, 2020

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/DeadCaibo/status/1277307507237695488?s=19

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Good BBC story on the Scottish pilot who survived over a month of ICU treatment for Covid in Vietnam, keeping their death count at zero

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009?fbclid=IwAR2i3SBcNVPEAoZ08p6Cxfv5-Q0fJKxFph2i1edIVUS-bI0Bk5dYKyZ8-kk

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
I'm reading Rebel Cities by David Harvey which was written in 2012. In it he talks about how China was in the middle of a change in leadership at this point and that there were two competing visions of China going forward. One is the Chongqing model where local leadership kinda reigned in capitalism and reinvested surpluses into public housing and social services. The other faction dominated in Shenzhen and the other coastal cities and wanted more liberalization of the economy.

I'm guessing that Xi was part of the Chongqing faction and that he won out.

Is this characterization correct? And what where the specific policy differences between Chongqing and Shenzhen and why did they take that direction?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

ToxicAcne posted:

I'm reading Rebel Cities by David Harvey which was written in 2012. In it he talks about how China was in the middle of a change in leadership at this point and that there were two competing visions of China going forward. One is the Chongqing model where local leadership kinda reigned in capitalism and reinvested surpluses into public housing and social services. The other faction dominated in Shenzhen and the other coastal cities and wanted more liberalization of the economy.

I'm guessing that Xi was part of the Chongqing faction and that he won out.

Is this characterization correct? And what where the specific policy differences between Chongqing and Shenzhen and why did they take that direction?

The two models were more two schools of thought than anything but as you said it was more social services/red nationalism versus increasing liberalism.

Xi admitted copied parts of both, and spending on social services has increased, the Hokou system was relaxed, and there has been a significant military buildup. Xi never pushed Mao as much as Bo xilai did and obviously the Chinese economy is still liberalized.

Granted, Bo Xilai's issue is that he simply made too many enemies and a full push towards bringing back Maoism had very little support in the party.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Karl Barks posted:

is nigel farage considered a social democrat or am I missing something

edit: oh the guy he's quoting about is labour leader, imo blairites aren't social democrats but whatever

Starmer isn’t a blairite, they barely exist anymore

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

gradenko_2000 posted:

does anyone have a perspective on Slobodan Milosevic's ideological position? As far as I've read, he was not on the left at all, and in fact served a role that's kinda similar to Boris Yeltsin as far as deconstructing the socialist institutions of Yugoslavia (though his successors were even worse in that regard), but I guess there are some people who have hot takes about him as an anti-imperialist purely because he was prosecuted by NATO/the West and was carted off to The Hague instead of tried locally?

to be clear, I have no sympathies towards this figure, but I'm trying to find out more

Really good talk from Michael Parenti here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzOgpMWnVs

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

what about BEB
https://twitter.com/jmtryneski/status/1278404039810715650?s=20

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
are there any good leftist podcasts (don’t say chapo please)

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
Long live international proletarianism! Uphold Castroism-Bolivarianism-Donald Trump Thought!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

indigi posted:

are there any good leftist podcasts (don’t say chapo please)

i like

swampside chats

quote:

Swampside Chats is a weekly podcast where communists sit down to shoot the poo poo about current events, history, political economy and theory. We're also all high and/or gay.


plough and stars

quote:

History, theory, and current critical analysis of the world utilizing the science of dialectical materialism

the nostalgia trap (not really a "communist pod" like swampside chats or plough and stars)

quote:

The Nostalgia Trap podcast features weekly conversations about history and politics with some of the left’s most incisive thinkers, writers, and extremely online personalities, exploring how individual lives intersect with the big events and debates of our era.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

indigi posted:

are there any good leftist podcasts (don’t say chapo please)

The short answer is always no: there are no good podcasts

but The Specter has done some quality interviews; the one on Cuba’s medical internationalism was good, as was the Cyprus vs NATO episode, the Victor Grossman interview, and the Ian Goodrum interview. It’s run by young members of CPUSA and has an earnest dorkiness you may or may not care for

Cosmopod does interesting subjects but I don’t care for the execution (hosts’ voices & discussion styles annoy me)

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
I like Citations Needed, although they are not "explicitly" leftist as such.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

indigi posted:

are there any good leftist podcasts (don’t say chapo please)

Cosmopod is good. https://cosmopod.libsyn.com/

I also subscribe to swampside, general intelligence unit, from alpha to omega and southpaw. But they aren't always good.

Recently started listening to SRB Podcast. Not yet sure if they are good.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Btw, Milosovic deserves most of the poo poo he got. , He really was a far-right Serbian nationalist that used the central government to undermine the other republicans, and his actions setup the breakup/Yugoslav wars. That said, obviously, the US was happy to pick up the pieces, but only after Slobodan blew it up. You got to also remember that Yugoslav before the mid-1990s was pretty friendly with the US as a counter-weight to the USSR/Russia. That is why the Yugo could be sold in the US.

The Kosovo war was another thing entirely, and it was about the US trying to teach Russia (which was starting to fall out of the US orbit) and Yugoslavia, a "lesson". The US attacked Serbia while negotiations were taking place and the situation on the ground in Kosovo had aleady stabilized. Btw, there was at least one big massacre of Kosovars but it was months before there was an impasse in negotiations. More over NATO, rather than just focus on Yugoslav forces on the ground, started bombing civilian targets and terrorizing the Serbian population just to prove a point.

Also, Wesley Clark almost started WW3 by trying to get British forces to fire on VVD forces at the Pristina Airport.

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jul 1, 2020

THS
Sep 15, 2017

chapo trap house is a good podcast, try it out

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

THS posted:

chapo trap house is a good podcast, try it out

They complained about how it's a bad look to tear down statues in one of their most recent episodes

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
we really don’t need chapo chat itt, just my take. There’s 500 places to discuss it

THS
Sep 15, 2017

MizPiz posted:

They complained about how it's a bad look to tear down statues in one of their most recent episodes

ok recommend me a communist podcast that is funny, entertaining, has good rapport between the hosts, and is not up its own rear end in self-seriousness. i don’t listen to podcasts because i want a god damned lecture, if i liked that poo poo i wouldn’t have dropped out of college

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

THS posted:

ok recommend me a communist podcast that is funny,

ok so Chapo’s out

THS
Sep 15, 2017

indigi posted:

ok so Chapo’s out

yes, that’s why i asked for other recommendations, in that context it wouldn’t make sense to recommend chapo again, considering that was the podcast being discussed

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
now-defunct marxist leninist podcast "proles of the roundtable" actually has some really good history episodes and interviews, i recommend going through their back catalog if they're still online somewhere. the earlier you delve the more annoying jokes and air horn noises you get but the actual content is solid

ATP_Power
Jun 12, 2010

This is what fascinates me most in existence: the peculiar necessity of imagining what is, in fact, real.


Swampside Chats does good theory focused content, and Trillbilly Worker's Party is a lot of fun, and offers a unique look into life in rural America that isn't Hillbilly Elegy-type bullshit.

Proles had some episodes I thought had some interesting content, but were far too up their own asses and in too much desperate need of an editor to really recommend them, YMMV.

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multistability
Feb 15, 2014

I tried listening to the first episode of this, but even very early on they're just butchering extremely basic Marxist concepts such as the LTV (unless my understanding of this is wrong instead? I'm also willing to accept they were just badly prepared with their notes and just didn't explain it well) and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. One of the guys explaining the tendency even admits that he's not really sure that what he's saying is correct. Also the production is extremely rough, and the podcast veers on just being awkward at times. Am I being unfair? And if not, does it get any better after the first episode? I really wanted to like it because, as an Irish republican, the whole starry plough thing and the fact that they have a couple episodes on Connolly attracted my attention, but I'm not really impressed by what I've heard so far

edit: maybe it wasn't so much their explanation of the LTV per se but how that discussion led into their explanation of how surplus value is generated through labour and then appropriated by the capitalist exploitatively. Maybe they just explained it in terms I'm not used to, but I just find it weird how there was no mention of the distinction between labour and labour-power in their explanation, for example. And it makes me hesitant to listen to the rest of the podcast if they're butchering the explanation of such basic concepts. I hope I'm wrong though because I would like to give it another shot based solely on the Connolly stuff, haha

multistability fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 2, 2020

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