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FlamingLiberal posted:It's by the TNG Season 8 Twitter guy so I hope it's decent It seems really unlikely that anyone working on Star Trek had seen Doctor Who. Teri Garr apparently hated working on this episode because of Gene Roddenberry and her ever-decreasing costume.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:tbh I'm kind of looking forward to a Trek show that isn't hamstrung by the need to introduce a galaxy-spanning threat to deal with
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Jul 1, 2020 20:10
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Oh and according to Memory Alpha, the shots of Scotty behind the transporter console next to the stock footage IS ALSO reused footage from The Enemy Within It's the Inception of reusing footage
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Jul 1, 2020 20:11
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It's impossible that the screenwriter of Assignment: Earth hadn't heard of Doctor Who given that Gary Seven literally has a sonic screwdriver.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:24
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Zurui posted:It's impossible that the screenwriter of Assignment: Earth hadn't heard of Doctor Who given that Gary Seven literally has a sonic screwdriver. The sonic screwdriver wasn’t much more than an actual screwdriver until Pertwee came along in 1970.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:26
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The more you look at Roddenberry's non-Trek work the more you understand how much of a fluke ST was
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FlamingLiberal posted:The more you look at Roddenberry's non-Trek work the more you understand how much of a fluke ST was Didn't he just remake Genesis II like 5 times?
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Jul 1, 2020 20:32
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feedmyleg posted:Didn't he just remake Genesis II like 5 times?
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FlamingLiberal posted:The more you look at Roddenberry's non-Trek work the more you understand how much of a fluke ST was It's pretty clear that other writers took his basic concepts and created something good. As proof, name a good TOS episode written by Roddenberry. I'll wait.
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Yeah Gene Coon never gets enough credit for making the modern Trek universe
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SaintFu posted:It seems really unlikely that anyone working on Star Trek had seen Doctor Who. I've never wanted to stay awake through that episode, so I'm just imagining she starts out in a regular costume but in every subsequent scene she has a smaller and smaller costume.
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feedmyleg posted:Didn't he just remake Genesis II like 5 times? quote:The plot point about the Tyranians having a dual circulatory system with two hearts and thus identifiable because they were born with two navels was an elaborate in-joke. While producing Star Trek, Roddenberry was constantly besieged by demands for changes from the censors at NBC's Broadcast Standards department, which he took to calling the "BS Department" due to the often petty nature of their revisions. Among the things to which the censors routinely objected was the depiction of a navel on anyone with a bare midriff, resulting in several reshoots of scenes with actors in revealing but otherwise "decent" attire whose navels showed. By making the double navel the distinguishing physical feature of the Tyranians, Roddenberry was effectively filming every navel that he had been forced to censor from Star Trek twice over.
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WilWheaton posted:isn't there like two rules for starfleet ship design , and one is just dont block the path between the nacelles? Yet this somehow feels like it went out of its way to do so. There was concept art for TMP of the officers' lounge showing some kind of energy field crackling between the nacelles at warp, explaining the "don't put stuff between the warp engines" idea, but it was dropped.
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Zurui posted:It's impossible that the screenwriter of Assignment: Earth hadn't heard of Doctor Who given that Gary Seven literally has a sonic screwdriver. That would be very impressive since Assignment Earth was broadcast March 29, 1968, while the episode of Fury from the Deep where the sonic screwdriver was introduced (as an actual screwdriver rather than a magic wand) was broadcast March 16th, 1968. So unless Assignment Earth was written, filmed and completed in 13 days, it's likely to be a complete coincidence!
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Jul 1, 2020 21:59
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I still say that the turbolifts travel between halves like a Wonkavator.
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Zaroff posted:That would be very impressive since Assignment Earth was broadcast March 29, 1968, while the episode of Fury from the Deep where the sonic screwdriver was introduced (as an actual screwdriver rather than a magic wand) was broadcast March 16th, 1968. I learned a thing today!
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Even if the Who episode had been a little before, they would have had to had a guy watch it in the UK, come to America, say "Guys! We gotta rip this thing off!" and work it into the plot, which probably requires more than a couple of weeks lead time. What seems more likely is that something else, perhaps in a SF magazine of the time, had referred to a "sonic screwdriver" and both the Who guys and the ST guys read the same magazine.
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WilWheaton posted:isn't there like two rules for starfleet ship design , and one is just dont block the path between the nacelles? Yet this somehow feels like it went out of its way to do so. They could hardly be more blocked than they are on the Defiant. FlamingLiberal posted:It's by the TNG Season 8 Twitter guy so I hope it's decent Whoa, whaaaaat?! I find that very reassuring.
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I mean, I get why the ship is designed that way—the lower decks being physically separated from the upper decks with no ability to travel between really pushes the fact that the lower deck workers are second-class citizens—but it does kind of feel a bit canon-breaking. I'm sure they'll justify it somehow, like the above explanation, but it still doesn't sit all that well.
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What if they are glorified shuttle pilots, transporting saucer sections to be married with stardrive sections at a different location or recovering saucers from stardrive sections that went boom. They would have no real reason to go on to the other portion of the "ship."
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feedmyleg posted:I mean, I get why the ship is designed that way—the lower decks being physically separated from the upper decks with no ability to travel between really pushes the fact that the lower deck workers are second-class citizens—but it does kind of feel a bit canon-breaking. I'm sure they'll justify it somehow, like the above explanation, but it still doesn't sit all that well. What? The arrow is clearly pointing towards the lower aft of the saucer.
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Oh geez. For some reason I was thinking it was set in the secondary hull (?) between the nacelles. Well now I'm even more confused about that ship design.
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I can't believe this is what it takes to get the pre-TNG movies design philosophy back.
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feedmyleg posted:Oh geez. For some reason I was thinking it was set in the secondary hull (?) between the nacelles. Weren't there a bunch of Galaxies (presumably fitted internally for military ops) in DS9 ship battle scenes? Like well beyond the 'they made 6 and laid up frames for another 6' numbers in the TNG tech guide.
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Nessus posted:It definitely looks like a kitbash and I suspect they're going for "we're ROUGH and TUMBLE and WACKY because we're in a second-tier salvaged ship class" to some extent, just looking at the visual language. Sure were. IIRC the DS9 tech manual says something about them being rushed off the production line with only a third of their internal fittings installed, which would make sense in a wartime environment. I don't know when the TNG manual was supposed to be published in-universe, but you can always handwave the numbers away by saying that 12 was the initial order and after they decided to build a whole bunch more. I'm also getting a bit of a Steamrunner vibe from that ship with the deflector between the nacelles. 
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This reply they retweeted is even better: https://twitter.com/DarrenJEvans/status/1278396330914844672?s=20
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Farragut? More like gently caress Your Guts Out
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Years ago I was made aware of anthropomorphic airplane porn. Now you've all made me realize that there must be the equivalent for starships. Perhaps kit bashing has been a euphemism this whole time.
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bull3964 posted:What if they are glorified shuttle pilots, transporting saucer sections to be married with stardrive sections at a different location or recovering saucers from stardrive sections that went boom. They would have no real reason to go on to the other portion of the "ship." I think I like that idea. It's a tow ship -- the actual ship consists of only the bigass nacelles, the minimalist stardrive section and the ugly squared-off brackets sticking up. The saucer on top is just what they're moving this week. Next week it'll be a comically huge hull section for a new starbase; the week after that it's a giant sentient asteroid that needs a warp-speed lift to go on vacation to Rosseau V (trust me, it's like Risa for space rocks); the week after that it's an enormous wrapped-up birthday present for the new leader of Altair VI (no peeking!).
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SaintFu posted:It seems really unlikely that anyone working on Star Trek had seen Doctor Who. I don't blame Garr considering the cringe-inducing dialogue they put into her mouth: "My generation cares about this country, even if we act a little crazy sometimes" (I'm paraphrasing). It's not Way of Eden bad, but going in the "fellow kids" direction for sure.
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Drone posted:So did anyone like... actively want an animated comedy Star Trek? It can't be worse than picard
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Nessus posted:Even if the Who episode had been a little before, they would have had to had a guy watch it in the UK, come to America, say "Guys! We gotta rip this thing off!" and work it into the plot, which probably requires more than a couple of weeks lead time. What seems more likely is that something else, perhaps in a SF magazine of the time, had referred to a "sonic screwdriver" and both the Who guys and the ST guys read the same magazine. "GENE! ITS ME! YOUR COUSIN FROM ENGLAND, LLWELLYN! LLWELLYN RODDENBERRY! YOU KNOW THAT NEW SCIFI GADGET YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? LISTEN TO THIS!" "...oh my giddy aunt!"
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Cross-Section posted:If they end up not having an episode about figuring out how to get down to the deflector then I'm burning it all down McMahon's behind it, I guarantee you they will. ashpanash fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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feedmyleg posted:Years ago I was made aware of anthropomorphic airplane porn. Now you've all made me realize that there must be the equivalent for starships. Perhaps kit bashing has been a euphemism this whole time.  
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 It looks so much better upside down. Apparently it's a bit inspired by how goofy the top left Matt Jeffries sketch looks  bull3964 posted:What if they are glorified shuttle pilots, transporting saucer sections to be married with stardrive sections at a different location or recovering saucers from stardrive sections that went boom. They would have no real reason to go on to the other portion of the "ship." The actual plot is that they're a 'second contact' ship, they trail around to places the hero ships have been and do the paperwork and clean up the mess. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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Just got to Q-Who in my rewatch. Jeez they sell the Borg real well. And that baby in the crèche is just as terrifying as I remember 25 years later.
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The_Doctor posted:The weird thing for me about Lower Decks is that they’re insisting it’s canon. Maybe they'll be like 'events occured. The recounting may or may not be reliable'. They could do like How I Met Your Mother, frame the first episode with Captain Maincharacter in the future telling stories of her time as an ensign. Makes it canonical but lets you assume the really silly bits are a good storyteller.
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