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OwlFancier posted:Should work fine? OK now from your link, still getting 'video unavailable' from original link. 207 = 3^2 x 23. 23 skidoo (sometimes 23 skiddoo) is an American slang phrase popularized during the early 20th century. It generally refers to leaving quickly, being forced to leave quickly by someone else, or taking advantage of a propitious opportunity to leave, that is, "getting [out] while the getting's good." The exact origin of the phrase is uncertain.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/keir-starmer-labour-party-black-voters_uk_5efdeccec5b612083c5868fd its a bit that but its also true and basically what corbyn should have done, blame the career incompetents running the party beuracracy. imo one of the biggest flashing alarm signs about kier is that he isnt taking the opportunity to reform and centralise the party and clear out the deadwood. he's too averse to making waves to even do things that would benefit him and the organisation. but i guess that kind of trait is selected for in his line of work
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Communist Thoughts posted:its a bit that but its also true and basically what corbyn should have done, blame the career incompetents running the party beuracracy. Corbyn was just too darn 'nice' for his own good trying to encompass everyone.
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A guy we don't like gets elected (granted in disputed elections, but that's most of them globally speaking)? Welp guess all your national gold reserves aren't quite so national anymore. Also we'll give them to this random guy instead, because clearly gold reserves are personally owned by whoever we recognise as "rightful" ruler rather than the institution which we do recognise as a central bank. They listen to the wrong guy that won't do. Nevermind that the reserves were built up by largely the same people currently in control of the central bank. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:If i woz the tories i'd bomb somewhere just to get labour to support it and gently caress their base up.
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Jose posted:its depressing thinking just how much worse labour could be Stop posting Glenn Greenwald. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1276186081831137282
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If that's the pub I'm thinking of that's a real shame, it's a cool place. Hopefully Ian condemns.
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Guavanaut posted:Who's causing the biggest international headache for the Tories at present? Brussels?
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Guavanaut posted:Who's causing the biggest international headache for the Tories at present? Are we going to bomb Hong Kong?
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stev posted:If that's the pub I'm thinking of that's a real shame, it's a cool place. lol at Ian McKellen owning a pub with Lebedev. This rules so much.
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peanut- posted:Are we going to bomb Hong Kong? XMNN posted:Brussels?
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Starkey is resigning his various positions as we speak, presumably due to statements of the likes of Fitzwilliam College saying they're 'reviewing his position', and that his comments are 'indefensible'. So looks like he might have actually hosed it this time, which is nice.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Stop posting Glenn Greenwald. Is this meant to be some damning indictment of Greenwald? The voters/members/MPs graphs a few pages back in this very thread showed that tory leadership is incredibly more economically right wing/anti-populist than tory voters are, there's a real vulnerability there which is why they're jumping on every possible culture war spark to try and make fetch a thing and stop people talking about the money. It's also why the entire renewed critique of Corbyn was top-down imposed amorphous He A Bad Man or culture war poo poo, if left-wing economic ideas get a hearing then working class people across the spectrum do hear them, see UK 2017. Right-wing populism is suspect because it correctly identifies problems but then has no actual solutions to them, or it uses the 'those darn globalist elites' righteous anger to try and sneak in it's actual, sinister proposals, I think it's an overblown dumb meme but if that's the term we're apparently using for traditionally right wing voters that have noticed inequality is kind of bad actually then what's the actual argument for not talking to, sympathising with the actual shared problems and trying to convert these people? The lefty arguments against economic inequality are far stronger than anything the right can begrudgingly offer so why not, you have nothing to lose and a strong chance to gain. This take of "Stop posting X" is just so stupid and counterproductive. Try and enforce a fruity little echo-chamber literally everywhere and think it's praxis or whatever if you want but it's a dogshit strategy, and btw Greenwalds close posts against Bolsonaro have probably done more to hamper the actual growth of an actual fascism than most of us here can claim to have achieved. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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Party Boat posted:Lol that Darren interviewed his hero and destroyed his career Extremely good tbh,  irl
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Vitamin P posted:Is this meant to be some damning indictment of Greenwald? The voters/members/MPs graphs a few pages back in this very thread showed that tory leadership is incredibly more economically right wing/anti-populist than tory voters are, there's a real vulnerability there which is why they're jumping on every possible culture war spark to try and make fetch a thing and stop people talking about the money. It's also why the entire renewed critique of Corbyn was top-down imposed amorphous He A Bad Man or culture war poo poo, if left-wing economic ideas get a hearing then working class people across the spectrum do hear them, see UK 2017. What do you think the word "fruity" means?
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Red Oktober posted:Starkey is resigning his various positions as we speak, presumably due to statements of the likes of Fitzwilliam College saying they're 'reviewing his position', and that his comments are 'indefensible'. Party Boat posted:Lol that Darren interviewed his hero and destroyed his career Hope it actually sticks and not just a case of vanishing for six months before coming back with a BBC tv series about how Henry VIII loved to say the n-word.
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OwlFancier posted:What do you think the word "fruity" means? Performative and cosseted.
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Party Boat posted:Lol that Darren interviewed his hero and destroyed his career Honestly, I hadn't actually appreciated this in its entirety before seeing it written in black and white - and I thank you for that. 
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Vitamin P posted:Is this meant to be some damning indictment of Greenwald? The voters/members/MPs graphs a few pages back in this very thread showed that tory leadership is incredibly more economically right wing/anti-populist than tory voters are, there's a real vulnerability there which is why they're jumping on every possible culture war spark to try and make fetch a thing and stop people talking about the money. It's also why the entire renewed critique of Corbyn was top-down imposed amorphous He A Bad Man or culture war poo poo, if left-wing economic ideas get a hearing then working class people across the spectrum do hear them, see UK 2017. Love your energy I don't really get what GG is asking for though..antifa to work with fascists against the centrists?
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Private Speech posted:A guy we don't like gets elected (granted in disputed elections, but that's most of them globally speaking)? Welp guess all your national gold reserves aren't quite so national anymore. Also we'll give them to this random guy instead, because clearly gold reserves are personally owned by whoever we recognise as "rightful" ruler rather than the institution which we do recognise as a central bank. They listen to the wrong guy that won't do. Nah Maduro is a dictator and his last elections were as legitimate as Putins. Of course, there are plenty other dictators who's money is stored there which isn't touched, just the one who the west doesn't like and has oil is getting the hammer brought down on him.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Nah Maduro is a dictator and his last elections were as legitimate as Putins. Of course, there are plenty other dictators who's money is stored there which isn't touched, just the one who the west doesn't like and has oil is getting the hammer brought down on him. lol just so everyone is aware maduro invited the UN election inspectors in and the opposition who boycotted the election told them not to come so they didn't. he won in a landslide because the opposition boycotted the election
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Jose posted:lol just so everyone is aware maduro invited the UN election inspectors in and the opposition who boycotted the election told them not to come so they didn't. he won in a landslide because the opposition boycotted the election You forgot the part where opposition leaders were arrested or barred and main opposition parties banned were from participating.
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Breath Ray posted:I don't really get what GG is asking for though..antifa to work with fascists against the centrists? Haven't listened to the specific podcast at the end of the article but the general argument he's been making and the broader populist left/populist right discourse discussion is that the left should stop being obnoxious cunts, if someone wants 90% of the meaningful economic changes you do but they're also imperfect in some culture war way then if you just nope them it literally only helps capital and no-one else. Which is entirely true btw. I disagree with the idea the populist right is actually a thing intellectually though, I think it's just bigots adapting to the worsening economic conditions and there's no potential future alignment with like Tucker Carlson or whatever, but even though "right-wing populism" is a fake meme the normal humans it's manipulating do exist and we should be manipulating them too rather than jacking off calling them nazis etc.
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Private Speech posted:Defining a sovereign government as an actual "mafia" what the everloving gently caress. Pot, meet kettle.
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Vitamin P posted:Is this meant to be some damning indictment of Greenwald? The voters/members/MPs graphs a few pages back in this very thread showed that tory leadership is incredibly more economically right wing/anti-populist than tory voters are, there's a real vulnerability there which is why they're jumping on every possible culture war spark to try and make fetch a thing and stop people talking about the money. It's also why the entire renewed critique of Corbyn was top-down imposed amorphous He A Bad Man or culture war poo poo, if left-wing economic ideas get a hearing then working class people across the spectrum do hear them, see UK 2017. Lol, a lot of words to justify why it’s okay that GG is revealing himself to be A-OK with fascism as long as it doesn’t effect him personally. “Trump was cool and good until he got elected and didn’t follow through with his campaign promises” is a hell of a take. You know that the BNP had, for the time, very left-wing economic policies, yeah? Suffice to say, no, no one should have worked with the BNP. “This Hitler chap isn’t so bad, at least he’s not from the hated right-wing liberal parties. His party even has “socialist” right there in the name!”
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OwlFancier posted:What you call "imperfect in some culture war way" usually means being opposed to the entire existence of some of our comrades. It is not a thing that can be simply ignored, nor is it the fault of the left when they take issue with it. gently caress off, either claim there's no class barrier to the new cultural language or say you think poor people are evil don't hedge like 'will absolutely call a transwoman lass but has never heard of a nimby' isn't a thing, and don't you dare imply a hatefullness that doesn't actually exist. "Opposed to the entire existence" gently caress off don't lie that people are worse than they actually are. Comrade Fakename posted:Lol, a lot of words to justify why it’s okay that GG is revealing himself to be A-OK with fascism as long as it doesn’t effect him personally. “Trump was cool and good until he got elected and didn’t follow through with his campaign promises” is a hell of a take. GG is obviously observably not a-ok with fascism, he's done more to fight it than you have, and yeah no poo poo the BNP as a small party tried to wrap itself in lefty rhetoric when convenient? Right wing populists can identify problems to sneak in sinister solutions you're making the same point I was.
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Private Speech posted:A guy we don't like gets elected (granted in disputed elections, but that's most of them globally speaking)? Welp guess all your national gold reserves aren't quite so national anymore. Also we'll give them to this random guy instead, because clearly gold reserves are personally owned by whoever we recognise as "rightful" ruler rather than the institution which we do recognise as a central bank. They listen to the wrong guy that won't do. Chavez was Trump before Trump. Maduro has all of Chavez's faults and none of his redeeming features. He's a dictator. It's not okay to stan for dictators because they say rude things to the Americans and we don't like the Americans much either.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Nah Maduro is a dictator and his last elections were as legitimate as Putins. Of course, there are plenty other dictators who's money is stored there which isn't touched, just the one who the west doesn't like and has oil is getting the hammer brought down on him. So was Chavez before him, but more broadly I'd make the point that most elections (when one includes places in Africa, Latin America and Asia; you know most of the world) are illegitimate in some way. Plus it's not his personal money, which perhaps I could see being frozen, but rather national reserves built under Chavez which are crucial for a country under sustained economic pressure. fe: efb on Chavez if in a different way
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Red Oktober posted:They all just print the quotes without any actual thought or intelligence, it’s so loving frustrating. Literally all of our institutions are broken. feels bad man.
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