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Rhyno: Mar 22, 2003; Can't post for 10 years!

Edge & Christian posted:

The Deadpool #0 issue was basically a gag short where everyone who was dead came back from the dead as clones and it was mostly like loser villains Scourge killed because everyone else comes back from the dead on their own. The "money shot" Rhyno referenced is Deadpool walking in on Uncle Ben and Aunt May having sex, because Aunt May (or an actor hired by Norman Osborn to pretend to be Aunt May and die of cancer) was dead at the time too.

No the four Gwens was the money shot! Ew! I forgot about that other stuff!

# ? Jul 3, 2020 15:50

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# ? May 24, 2024 07:05

Edge & Christian: May 20, 2001; Earth-1145 is truly the best!
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My mistake, the old people having sex as a joke for how gross it is for old married couples* to be sexually active was midway through, the french maid Gwens was in fact the final page.

# ? Jul 3, 2020 16:03

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Edge & Christian posted:

They get mentioned periodically, the original Gwen Stacy clone (and the Spider-Clone that would be later called Ben Reilly) were retconned into being existing human being who got like radical surgery to look exactly like Peter and Gwen during the Evolutionary War crossover. I forget all the details but basically they wanted to close the door on 'clones' in the Marvel Universe in the same way that 1980s Marvel tried to get rid of vampires and superfluous supervillains and characters with the same names. So the High Evolutionary found all of the Jackal's notes after he died and revealed he was a big fraud who couldn't clone poo poo.

The "clone Gwen Stacy" was a woman named Joyce Delaney who via magic got her original memories and personality back. Then later during the Clone Saga they re-retconned it so the Jackal had faked his death and faked his notes admitting he couldn't clone poo poo to trick the High Evolutionary, and actually he can clone the hell out of whatever he wants! And he actually had like hundreds of clones of Gwen Stacy (and Peter Parker, obviously). He wanted to go find his best clone of Gwen (Joyce) and it turned out she was married to a clone of the Jackal and living a normal life, so Jackal got mad and killed all of his non-Joyce clones of Gwen (unless... some survived?) and I think killed the clone of himself who married Joyce/Gwen but then other stuff happened.

And then in 2011 an even more eviller clone of Gwen murdered Joyce-Gwen for the Jackal, but then she died too. I think this was just a subplot to set up THE CLONE CONSPIRACY: DEAD NO MORE and clean up continuity so that Slott could introduce even more Gwen clones, who might have all died again, hard to say. There might be some of the original clones that were supposed to die but didn't (like Kaine but with Gwen Stacy) out there.

The Deadpool #0 issue was basically a gag short where everyone who was dead came back from the dead as clones and it was mostly like loser villains Scourge killed because everyone else comes back from the dead on their own. The "money shot" Rhyno referenced is Deadpool walking in on Uncle Ben and Aunt May having sex, because Aunt May (or an actor hired by Norman Osborn to pretend to be Aunt May and die of cancer) was dead at the time too.

Thanks for the explanation but loving hell, I'm not going to lie, I can see why manga is outselling superhero comics.

# ? Jul 3, 2020 16:09

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

bessantj posted:

Oh, I've seen that posted before. Norman Osborne was the father wasn't he? And the twins hated Spider-Man. Where are the editors?!?!?!?!

Hey, now, the editors were on hand for that.

They were originally going to be Peter's, if they hadn't intervened. Because that would have been worse, apparently.

But hey, at least it's not Trouble...

# ? Jul 3, 2020 16:37

Edge & Christian: May 20, 2001; Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

bessantj posted:

Thanks for the explanation but loving hell, I'm not going to lie, I can see why manga is outselling superhero comics.

Is manga outselling superhero comics? Also absolutely none of that is relevant to current superhero comics (not even the Spider-Man books, last I checked) and is like an accumulation of almost fifty years worth of stories that are largely politely ignored.

It's like hearing about the plots of various Aaron Spelling soap operas and going "loving hell, no wonder reality shows are outdrawing scripted dramas."

And yes, JMS wanted the two Grey Goblins(?) to be Peter Parker's kids, but editorial thought Spider-Man having adult children (even artificially aged adult children) would make him seem old. Which is valid, but is that really your first objection?

# ? Jul 3, 2020 16:51

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

It'd be one thing if the children were actual kids and it was about Peter wondering about raising them or being in their lives but in comic book fashion they are adults because apparently Goblin blood can accelerate aging and they are enhanced humans again because of the blood and they have to fight Peter as tools being used by Osborn and then use Peter's blood and the Goblin formula and

It was an odd story for someone to want to tell.

# ? Jul 3, 2020 16:55

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Yvonmukluk posted:

Hey, now, the editors were on hand for that.

They were originally going to be Peter's, if they hadn't intervened. Because that would have been worse, apparently.

But hey, at least it's not Trouble...

Well one saving grace I'll admit.

Edge & Christian posted:

Is manga outselling superhero comics? Also absolutely none of that is relevant to current superhero comics (not even the Spider-Man books, last I checked) and is like an accumulation of almost fifty years worth of stories that are largely politely ignored.

It's like hearing about the plots of various Aaron Spelling soap operas and going "loving hell, no wonder reality shows are outdrawing scripted dramas."

And yes, JMS wanted the two Grey Goblins(?) to be Peter Parker's kids, but editorial thought Spider-Man having adult children (even artificially aged adult children) would make him seem old. Which is valid, but is that really your first objection?

I don't know if 'politely ignored' or the whole 'illusion of change' thing is a problem because while it can make it seem like there is absolutely no stability in the storytelling and anything that has happened can be reversed in an instant it does mean someone new can drop into the comic and not have to worry about catching up. That probably does help new readers.

Well maybe it's because I'm looking at the whole picture rather than a slice of time that I have the objection. If I was looking at one persons run I'd probably like it better as it doesn't have to weave into anything.

Also as I've been going through the reading list on MU I'm up to late '75 and, on the whole, women are really not well written.

# ? Jul 3, 2020 17:31

thetoughestbean: Apr 27, 2013; Keep On Shroomin

Edge & Christian posted:

Is manga outselling superhero comics?

Yes, by quite a bit.

I�m not sure if it�s totally fair to compare all of manga to superhero comics, given that manga is a medium and not a genre, but I wouldn�t be surprised if Shonen Jump manga outsold Marvel or DC

# ? Jul 3, 2020 22:00

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

That article doesn�t say what you think it does.

# ? Jul 3, 2020 22:36

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

So why did Norman Osborne make four clones of his dead girlfriend and then have super-aging goblin children with one of the clones? To own the ~~libs~~ Spider?

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:07

Open Marriage Night: Sep 18, 2009; "Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"

It wasn�t one of the clones.

Norman really should have stayed dead. There�s been some good stuff with him since he came back, but I don�t know if it�s worth it.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 02:03

Cubone: May 26, 2011; Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

Nessus posted:

So why did Norman Osborne make four clones of his dead girlfriend and then have super-aging goblin children with one of the clones? To own the ~~libs~~ Spider?

'cause he's so evil

# ? Jul 4, 2020 02:07

Rhyno: Mar 22, 2003; Can't post for 10 years!

Gwen and Norman's daughter who was like 9 but appear to be 25 and identical to Gwen also tried to seduce Peter at one point.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 02:16

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

Keep in mind the only reason she had accelerated aging and was Norman's daughter is that Joe Quesada quashed the idea of her and her brother being Peter and Gwen's because it would make Peter seem too old.

E: I see that was already brought up.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jul 5, 2020

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:54

Pastry of the Year: Apr 12, 2013

I have a question.

Origins aside, have there been any instances where someone dies, "permanently," and it demonstrably changes the temperament of a character? Obviously, I'm talking cape comics.

I ask because I was re-reading Captain America, and Sharon's death was so jarring and evidently final, and he went for a long, long time both dealing with that and dating other people, only for one day to have the old lol psych she's alive thing happen.

She came back, but his character had been changed in a small but fundamental way that was defined by that loss. So that's the question.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 06:00

How Wonderful!: Jul 18, 2006; I only have excellent ideas

Pastry of the Year posted:

I have a question.

Origins aside, have there been any instances where someone dies, "permanently," and it demonstrably changes the temperament of a character? Obviously, I'm talking cape comics.

I ask because I was re-reading Captain America, and Sharon's death was so jarring and evidently final, and he went for a long, long time both dealing with that and dating other people, only for one day to have the old lol psych she's alive thing happen.

She came back, but his character had been changed in a small but fundamental way that was defined by that loss. So that's the question.

I'd say both Gwen Stacey and Jean deWolff had long-term impact on how people wrote Peter Parker.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 06:34

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Pastry of the Year posted:

I have a question.

Origins aside, have there been any instances where someone dies, "permanently," and it demonstrably changes the temperament of a character? Obviously, I'm talking cape comics.

I ask because I was re-reading Captain America, and Sharon's death was so jarring and evidently final, and he went for a long, long time both dealing with that and dating other people, only for one day to have the old lol psych she's alive thing happen.

She came back, but his character had been changed in a small but fundamental way that was defined by that loss. So that's the question.

I feel Barry Allen and how it affected Wally is the go-to.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 16:29

thetoughestbean: Apr 27, 2013; Keep On Shroomin

Jordan7hm posted:

That article doesn�t say what you think it does.

I re-read it and I�m not sure where you�re getting that. It�s pretty clear: American superhero comics are being outsold in the United States by manga and by kid-oriented comics and graphic novels.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 17:27

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

thetoughestbean posted:

I re-read it and I�m not sure where you�re getting that. It�s pretty clear: American superhero comics are being outsold in the United States by manga and by kid-oriented comics and graphic novels.

In the book market, which is approx. half of the total comics market. The direct market isn�t 100% cape comics but it�s probably not dramatically off from that.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 17:33

thetoughestbean: Apr 27, 2013; Keep On Shroomin

Jordan7hm posted:

In the book market, which is approx. half of the total comics market. The direct market isn�t 100% cape comics but it�s probably not dramatically off from that.

The article covers the direct market, though. It includes comic shops, Diamond, and digital downloads

# ? Jul 4, 2020 17:42

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

I know it does, but the section that speaks to manga market share is specifically from bookscan about the book market, which is less than half of the total market.

80% of the direct market (which was 510m in 2018) is just DC and Marvel. So 400m in just DC and Marvel alone, without bookstores.

Meanwhile manga represents 28% of the 465m bookstore market. It�s not even close.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 18:07

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Edge & Christian posted:

Is manga outselling superhero comics? Also absolutely none of that is relevant to current superhero comics (not even the Spider-Man books, last I checked) and is like an accumulation of almost fifty years worth of stories that are largely politely ignored.

It's like hearing about the plots of various Aaron Spelling soap operas and going "loving hell, no wonder reality shows are outdrawing scripted dramas."

And yes, JMS wanted the two Grey Goblins(?) to be Peter Parker's kids, but editorial thought Spider-Man having adult children (even artificially aged adult children) would make him seem old. Which is valid, but is that really your first objection?

Wasn't like part of it also that editorial wanted Peter Parker to have been a virgin until he married Mary Jane for some dumb reason (which is also contradicted by Spider-Man: Blue).

# ? Jul 4, 2020 22:17

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Skwirl posted:

Wasn't like part of it also that editorial wanted Peter Parker to have been a virgin until he married Mary Jane for some dumb reason (which is also contradicted by Spider-Man: Blue).

Also by the existence of Black Cat (unless her very specific thing was dry-humping Peter in costume).

# ? Jul 5, 2020 00:21

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Dawgstar posted:

Also by the existence of Black Cat (unless her very specific thing was dry-humping Peter in costume).

I thought Black Cat being way more interested in Peter wearing the costume than him out of it was a major part of their relationship.

# ? Jul 5, 2020 01:20

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Skwirl posted:

I thought Black Cat being way more interested in Peter wearing the costume than him out of it was a major part of their relationship.

It was, but it was more about Peter still being a virgin.

# ? Jul 5, 2020 01:53

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

Vulpes established that they at least got their pants off

# ? Jul 5, 2020 02:15

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

They also have definitely hosed in the PS4 game, Black Cat lies about being pregnant and Peter thinks it could be his.

# ? Jul 5, 2020 02:29

Cubone: May 26, 2011; Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

Skwirl posted:

They also have definitely hosed in the PS4 game, Black Cat lies about being pregnant and Peter thinks it could be his.

Maybe Peter doesn't know how babies work

# ? Jul 5, 2020 02:50

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Dawgstar posted:

Also by the existence of Black Cat (unless her very specific thing was dry-humping Peter in costume).

Cats are known for rubbing themselves against legs.

# ? Jul 5, 2020 03:20

Sir DonkeyPunch: Mar 23, 2007; I didn't hear no bell

Skwirl posted:

I thought Black Cat being way more interested in Peter wearing the costume than him out of it was a major part of their relationship.

Does this mean that Peter is still a virgin, but Spider-Man definitely fucks?

# ? Jul 5, 2020 03:21

Opopanax: Aug 8, 2007; I HEX YE!!!

Cubone posted:

Maybe Peter doesn't know how babby is formed

# ? Jul 5, 2020 03:26

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Cubone posted:

Maybe Peter doesn't know how babies work

PS4 spider-man is pretty dumb, so I buy it

# ? Jul 5, 2020 03:27

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Black Cat was okay with Peter's body, she just preferred he kept the mask on. It sounds like I'm making a joke about him being ugly but it's true. She didn't want to be with "Peter Parker".

# ? Jul 5, 2020 03:29

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Lobok posted:

Black Cat was okay with Peter's body, she just preferred he kept the mask on. It sounds like I'm making a joke about him being ugly but it's true. She didn't want to be with "Peter Parker".

Oh, yeah. It's why she always called him 'Spider.'

"My name is Peter, Felicia."
"I know, Spider."

# ? Jul 5, 2020 03:58

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Lobok posted:

Black Cat was okay with Peter's body, she just preferred he kept the mask on. It sounds like I'm making a joke about him being ugly but it's true. She didn't want to be with "Peter Parker".

Wonder if that was true for his Bag-Man costume as well?

# ? Jul 5, 2020 04:52

Alaois: Feb 7, 2012

Lobok posted:

Black Cat was okay with Peter's body, she just preferred he kept the mask on. It sounds like I'm making a joke about him being ugly but it's true. She didn't want to be with "Peter Parker".

its actually because of the bug face and mandibles that spider-man must have

# ? Jul 5, 2020 05:09