Sanya Juutilainen posted:

Having a degree doesn't stop you from being an idiot.

peter gabriel posted:

You have to try to keep in mind that Chris is a loving idiot

trucutru posted:

I dunno, but there is a guy in there that sold his blood to get JPEGs

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

Having a degree doesn't stop you from being an idiot. There are actual doctors out there vehemently supporting stuff like homeopathy or even - in some cases, albeit rare - drinking chlorine stuff.

Colostomy Bag posted:

That's a bold statement given what $300+ million and 8 years of development have brought us thus far.

BTW, how does that cyberthing sound in your head?

Baxta posted:

Yeah... but still... There are a lot of citizens who say they are devs but there are at least 4 subjects in pretty much any CS degree that make you do projects on why these things are impossible with current hardware. poo poo basic physics should have let them know.

IAbsolveMyself posted:

Chris is a physics major dropout, right? That should explain a few things.

Tippis posted:

Chris is a guy who is unaware of — or at least completely baffled by — middle-school introductory physics concepts such as momentum, acceleration, and the difference between length, arena, and volume. That explains things — not his attempts at leveraging that awareness in the context of university-level education.

Baxta posted:

Just this one page disallows the CIG promises.

http://intronetworks.cs.luc.edu/1/html/packets.html


Oh youre going to have 1000 assets all with a million chains of subassets or classes all generating data back and forth with mega cities and ground assets with their subclasses just all doing everything in 60fps with a billion polygons per asset and 30ms response times?

Yeah ok. Good luck with that.

Baxta posted:

How are all these "developers" so braindead about data fundamentals and network architecture?!

Uni was a while ago for me but even I have a basic idea of how much data can be thrown around effectively.

How do they look at all the promises and not realise that its impossible to slap all these things together?!

Drives me nuts.

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You could have asked that question in #general chat and got an answer in less than 30 seconds. What's your point regarding player server caps?

Server Meshing will make player per server numbers irrelevant - after SM it is merely a cost per player factor, not something to influence the players experience. They could have 1 player per server and still everyone can be together in the same instance of the persistent universe if what they say about Server Meshing capability is true. If they had each planetary body and station broken out into their own servers right now, without meshing - log out and back in to travel (cut-scene) - they could increase player count significantly and have the whole NPC population active. NPC's take up the same resources as players without ships.

It's quite amazing that one multi-core server has 3 planets with landing zones, 2 of those have multi-million kilometre squared area maps with biomes and flora. All the moons, space stations, communication satellites, Levski, GrimHEX and many dozens of NPC's - AND it can accommodate up to 50 players each bringing their own inventory of ships, vehicles and equipment. When SC implements Vulkan this will improve client frame rates and stability which will help Star Citizen server tick rates. They have been gradually improving client actor networking over the last 2 years.

You see people comparing SC to other MMO's - really? Which of those has multi-thousand polygon ships and vehicles per player, plus a detailed solar system with biomes and active landing areas down the millimetre fidelity?

It's worth noting that both historically and currently Amazon AWS servers use Intel hardware (Xeons up to 36 cores running at around 2.3 - 2.5 Ghz). With the new competition between AMD and their significantly increased core counts with higher clock speeds we may see a significant improvement in AWS server capability in the next year or so. Intel are trying to hold their own with PC builds on a per clock speed basis for gaming, but they have been losing their server market share by a significant amount since the arrival of AMD's Zen processors.
https://www.quora.com/What-type-of-hardware-does-Amazon-AWS-EC2-use-to-run-virtual-machines

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We don't know what the minimum size area could be. In built up populated areas they could have one server per room. If you can't see what is on the other side of a wall it may as well be on another server - how many times do you go on a train or in an elevator? We don't know how fast servers can be spun up to transfer load, we don't know how fast servers can transfer their data to allow them to join together more than one server load into only one server and then re-task those freed up servers.

You do understand that all the static objects that you see around you in the game only exist on your local client? All the dynamic objects are drawn by the local client according to the data stream it gets from the server. The server is only interested in the change states of the entities in the PU, which it then reports to your local client state. Your local client can take data streams from multiple servers with server meshing, because only data that is relevant to 'you' on your server is communicated between servers then down to you. They guy in the train with you may be on your server, but the guy flying the Cutlass in the sky above you may be on another server that is telling your client to draw a Cutlass up there. That is what server meshing allows, it allows more than one server to send data to your local client, if the data stream is not overloaded you can see on screen as many client actors as your local game client can accept. Now it's about your internet connection and PC's capability, Vulkan and some advice regarding minimum specs helps there.

The larger the play space, the less likely that players will be in the same area concurrently, the easier the data stream loads are on the local client. There are literally hundreds of separated areas right now and that is only counting the places where there is expected to be activity. If significant numbers of players are out in space or on a remote planetary surface mining etc the likelihood of players encountering other players drops even further. When they add more play space areas the numbers dilute even more.

I've never heard of any game quite like this one that uses server meshing. Sure there are other games showcasing thousands of players in demo's but they are not all driving vehicles, shooting missiles, carrying large inventories in highly detailed built up areas. They are not majority populated by detailed and active NPC's.

Again. We just don't know what CI can do, because there is no precedent for what they are attempting. I do know that Chris Roberts is not the type of guy who would accept a poor substitute, if server meshing wouldn't achieve what he needed, he wouldn't be touting it as the final piece of the puzzle that allows a completely seamless universe where all players can interact simultaneously.

If you're about to tell me: Yeah right they'll never do it! Great. thanks for sharing the opinion. I'll take Chris' word.. he seems to regularly do what everyone and their dog says he'll never do. We didn't run out money in 3 months - this last year to date has been the best ever for fund raising and incoming new backers. Chris didn't skip off to the Bahamas. We were be able to fly ships instead of just walk around them in our hangars. We were be able to fly in a 64bit precision game universe. We were be able to land on planets and roam around all of their surfaces. There are fruit trees and plants. We do have multiple landing zones. We do have train services in commuter citizen. Server Meshing will happen, we will have a Persistent Universe that all players will occupy simultaneously. NPC's will become active when players can spread out over more than one star system and resources are freed up. We will have an active and dynamic economy.

If you can't believe in it, or at least have the patience to wait and see, while encouraging others to help grow the project - what the hell are you wasting time hanging around here for? Is there nothing productive you could find to interest you other than constantly negative gainsaying about what others can and will achieve?

Baxta posted:

Yeah... but still... There are a lot of citizens who say they are devs but there are at least 4 subjects in pretty much any CS degree that make you do projects on why these things are impossible with current hardware. poo poo basic physics should have let them know.

IAbsolveMyself posted:

Chris is a physics major dropout, right? That should explain a few things.

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Server Meshing will make player per server numbers irrelevant - after SM it is merely a cost per player factor, not something to influence the players experience. They could have 1 player per server and still everyone can be together in the same instance of the persistent universe if what they say about Server Meshing capability is true.

tuo posted:

Chris is the pointy-haired-boss

tuo posted:

Chris is the pointy-haired-boss

The Super-Id posted:

I was prepared for SC to suck and it didn't even suck in a way that I could laugh at while playing it. It was largely extremely boring and uneventful with occasional moments of total failure which just meant my time was wasted and I needed to return to part A (boring and uneventful). I spent no money on this experience and it was still unpleasant and I would not recommend anyone play this even for free. Following this thread is the best Star Citizen experience you can have.

Inacio posted:

Drunk Theory posted:

See, this joke doesn't work anymore. Because as it turns out in real life Scott Adams is a raging rear end in a top hat, and he's very vocal about it. By association now, the pointy haired boss is the sympathetic character since Dilbert is an entitled white supremacist jackass.

Which, I guess could be CIG, they've hired the best after all.

The Titanic posted:

The three or so years of development sure were worth it for this scene.

Colostomy Bag posted:

I hope to god Roberts watches the movie "Cocktail" and decides to do more mocap.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

Fine.

You can have Dilbert, but if you ruin Calvin & Hobbes for me I will hate you forever...

Thoatse posted:

As soon as the Cocktail sessions are done and not a single stitch of it is usable we can send him a copy of Coyote Ugly

Paranoid Peanut posted:

Game out? Saw some guys streaming on twitch and an elevator stopped working. Goty

Inacio posted:

I'll take Chris' word..

Inacio posted:

https://streamable.com/h3m76p

it's the tier 0 bartender...

TheBombPhilosopher posted:

And Star Citizen is.. or was... a good emotion predator.

Everyone who spend money on this game. Would you do it again? Just a little talk posted:

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I‘m a Car mechanic Learner and making roughtly 750€ a month,i‘m saving for my poo poo if I want something ^ I started with a Normal combo pack of SQ42 and SC with an Aurora,later on i wanted that connie so bad,so it was my birthday present to myself in 2017 (my dumbass bought it via Grey market,so it doesn’t count as Concierge money ...) Then it went further with some smaller buys like a dragonfly and Tumbril in the year,but then i thought a Retaliator is a great ship. It was indeed,but without 5 ppl to man the turrets it wasn‘t that great for me. Then the Hammerhead released (the only other ship that has a similar turret amount like the Tali) and the tali became (turret wise) weak as gently caress,so i melted the tali tumbril and dragonfly and got one of the Old Exploration packs that didn‘t cost 1300$. I got an Arrow before that package in 2018 and a 325a after christmas this year.

I love all of my ships that i actually have,and some i had i‘m going to buy back over time,for now i‘m building a living with my GF and my car is broke,so the wish of a Valkyrie will be a wish for a year or more but since i can grind ships ingame now, with the downside that they can glitch away every second, i‘m going to grind me one and test it until i can buy it ^

I got to say that the C2 and Valkyrie are the only interesting ships that are in my Price range. I‘d love to get a Kraken someday but since its so hardly limited and only on sale all few Months/years without any Comment that i can safe for it long enought it will be my first ingame grind when the game is further down the line ^

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When I backed the game in 2014 we barely had the money to afford to eat and it took me months of saving change to afford $45 pledge. It was a birthday present for myself. I was happy to back it even though I didn't have any money or a real way to play it because I wanted to invest in the dream.

I got to play once when you could fly your ship around port Olisar. Hadn't touched it since but followed the development.

Fast forward to 2020 and life has drastically changed. 3.9 dropped right after I finished a new gaming rig and I hopped on and played a ton. Then invictus week happened.... now I am a proud owner of a Kraken Privateer and a heavily upgraded Exploration Mega pack. Nearly 4k in, in a single weekend.

I only jumped that hard off the deep end becausd our Hawaii vacation got canceled due to covid. Would of been my first real vacation in my nearly 30 years. I've got some preexisting lung issues so travel is a no until we've got a vaccine. So I spent my vacation funds on this and some stuff for my wife.

Had Hawaii happened this would not have. But I am still happy I spent the money and I'd make the same choice under the circumstances again definitely.

I believe in the dream this game represents. The pathetic struggle for $45 back then felt worth it to me. The easy come easy go 4k from a bonus from work feels more than worth it to me.