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The show has been very restrained in its portrayal of book material and that's something that I think has the potential to hurt the show in coming seasons
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Mu Zeta posted:I can't remember anything about season 4 How can you forget the adventures of Amos and Marty?
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I don't know why people always have issues with the death slugs. It's an alien world that no one bothered to survey all that thoroughly. There are plenty of things on Earth, where we evolved, that accidentally gently caress us up badly. It's amazing even more things weren't immediately deadly to human biology in an alien biosphere. Personally I loved the small scale frontier setting, and I was along for the ride when everything that could go wrong went wrong is miserable succession. Exploring the unknown is not necessarily a fun and exciting thing. There's a lot of things out there that are both boring and deadly. I wasn't a huge fan of the book, and in retrospect that's clearly because they got an absolutely miserable narrator for the audiobook, because the story is absolutely a great one that encapsulates a lot of what I like about the Expanse: A romantic setting bogged down by all sorts of miserable inconvenient realities in a story that emphasizes the human costs. That's kind of the premise of the Expanse. Space travel is cool, but our society is miserable and people will suffer and we should probably care about that. Season 4 didn't have the same energy of things hurtling forward that seasons 1-3 did. It's very much a "dealing with consequences" season, as we get a look at how the amazing opportunity the gates give us can quite easily just result in more misery. I think it's important to dwell on that point and walk through it the way we did, lest we get blinded by optimism. A thousand more worlds are just a thousand more opportunities to keep loving everything up. I've also read the books so I know there's a lot more crazy stuff to come and I'm fine taking my time getting there, so that might also have let me relax and enjoy the desperate misery of Ilus more.
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Eiba posted:I wasn't a huge fan of the book, and in retrospect that's clearly because they got an absolutely miserable narrator for the audiobook, FYI it was re-recorded with Mays. The only things with the Bad Narrator now are I think two of the novellas
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I liked the "what else could possibly go wrong?!" style of season 4, because of course that is how its gonna be on a previously inhabited planet with native flora and fauna. The only thing I didn't like was how everyone was wracking their brain on why Holden didn't go blind and not once did the doctor ask, or Holden say, "by the way, I have a ton of cancer killing drugs pumped into my body everyday, think that could have something to do with it?"
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Jul 2, 2020 21:31
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That bit worked better in the books because by then everyone had been awake for like a week straight and was barely functional. It wasn't as clear on the show.
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Jul 2, 2020 21:36
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AntherUslessPoster posted:S4 gave us the real Amos, showcasing Wes Chatham's acting range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNr0tg4hZvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rM5VyxVHk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlV_QKTcoM&t=45s gif would be perfect
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AntherUslessPoster posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlV_QKTcoM&t=45s man I love the expression Amos reveals when his human suit falls off
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Pattonesque posted:man I love the expression Amos reveals when his human suit falls off Wes did amazing things with this scene...I can't wait to see S5. 
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Boris Galerkin posted:Another question, the visions of Julie that Miller sees in Season 2. Do we know if those are just hallucinations, or is it the protomolecule playing around with things to talk to Miller, like how protomolecule-Miller will eventually do with Holden? I always took the fact that he saw that bird he was always seeing on ceres a few moments prior that this was definitely the protomolocule tapping into his brain the same way it does with holden later
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Pattonesque posted:man I love the expression Amos reveals when his human suit falls off It's cool but it seems uncharacteristic for Amos. He doesn't seem to show any sadistic pleasure from inflicting violence before this.
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I think a desire to punish someone you deeply believe to be evil is different from a desire to inflict pain for its own sake.
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Jul 4, 2020 15:55
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Amos just had to shoot his buddy/sex friend because of murty. It's personal to him.
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Bedshaped posted:It's cool but it seems uncharacteristic for Amos. He doesn't seem to show any sadistic pleasure from inflicting violence before this. He does very similar crazy eyes on Miller in early season two. He does seem to enjoy beating Morty more, but he also just had to kill Wei because of Morty so I think it makes sense that it's personal in a way Amos usually isn't.
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Amos is a merciless killing machine that was badly damaged in childhood and I think he was abused a lot in like sexual way? I guess he ended up force feeding his pimp their own limbs while keeping them alive to enjoy a bit of vengeance. In the end he is pretty straight and down to earth guy with high moral standards that kept him from just wiping all the baddies off from the surface of Ilus so when he got a moral reason to beat the poo poo out of murtry yeah he was drat loving happy to do it.
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Amos is absolutely certain on his own that beating up Murtry is the right thing to do and that's why he's so happy imo
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Murtry also has a very punchable face, so we might all feel the same when presented with it.
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rndmnmbr posted:Murtry also has a very punchable face, so we might all feel the same when presented with it. Yea, you can't put Burn Gorman in something and not have people want to see him get punched in the face. I loved how Season 4 showed Bobbie is totally in control in any combat situation, like with the thugs that were making her nephew make space meth for them, she just gets tired of talking and kills them. BUt when she's put into a social situation with the Presidents Dinner, she has absolutely no idea what to do. Would you call Amos a moral absolutist? Like he has a very clear sense of right and wrong, but he also is very quickly to go all Frank Castle on people who he sees are being bad.
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Jul 5, 2020 02:27
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Amos doesnt have a sense of right or wrong, or if he does it's very alien to standard human. That's why he relies on other people for that. What he does have is an understanding that when it's time for violence, he should be the winner.
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Pattonesque posted:Amos is absolutely certain on his own that beating up Murtry is the right thing to do and that's why he's so happy imo It's this. Amos knows he's hosed in the head, but he lives in constant terror of hurting someone who doesn't deserve it, which is why he hangs around with a wet noddle like Holden. He needs that external moral compass. He enjoys hurting Murtry, but mostly because it's a loving relief to have such a clear-cut case of someone who clearly needs the poo poo kicked out of them. It's less sadism and more catharsis. twistedmentat posted:Would you call Amos a moral absolutist? Like he has a very clear sense of right and wrong, but he also is very quickly to go all Frank Castle on people who he sees are being bad. I'd say he's a nihilist who's self-aware about how unhealthy his world view is, especially for the people he cares about. He doesn't want to be that way, but his history and upbringing forced him so deep into that mindset that he can't self-correct without regularly loving everything up. A moral absolutist wouldn't constantly seek out external validation. Again, it's why he relishes situations like Murtry or Strickland. Instances where right and wrong are so loving obvious that even he can't screw it up.
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I think Amos also puts a lot of effort into his ~person suit~ and has to actively think WWHD in most situations. Being able to drop the facade and  be himself when he is certain that Holden will approve is probably beyond cathartic.
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The "person suit" analogy is really bad because Amos isn't something like Hannibal. He has violet impulses, but he knows that it's almost always wrong to act on them, and he doesn't particularly like being that way. It's just how life taught him he has to be if he wants to survive. Look at how he is around kids—i.e. totally chill—for an example. He doesn't try to hurt them or manipulate them, because they're no threat. When he's in a room with an adult, a huge part of Amos' brain is shouting at him "is it time for violence? How about now? Now? Better hurt them before they hurt you." Around kids or anyone who can't realistically threaten him that impulse settles down because it's fundamentally a hyper-active defense mechanism. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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I always enjoyed Amos saying to Alex that he's just upset because Amos saved his rear end and made him look weak. Like it's so astute and absolutely correct, but is one of those circumstances where being technically right is not the best path forward. Also, gently caress the actor who played Alex and ruined my current rewatch.
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It's especially lovely because he is a big reason why the show still exists.
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Hey everyone, almost all caught up with the thread, can't wait for Season 5 to see more of my favorite character Alex! Now to take a long, deep sip of coffee while I skim the last few pages...
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 "I don't want to fight you, Alex. Please don't make me. Because if we do, who is going to fly the ship?"
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Skippy McPants posted:Look at how he is around kids—i.e. totally chill—for an example. He doesn't try to hurt them or manipulate them, because they're no threat. When he's in a room with an adult, a huge part of Amos' brain is shouting at him "is it time for violence? How about now? Now? Better hurt them before they hurt you." Around kids or anyone who can't realistically threaten him that impulse settles down because it's fundamentally a hyper-active defense mechanism. This best example of his survival instinct was at the hotel shootout scene at Eros.
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twistedmentat posted:I loved how Season 4 showed Bobbie is totally in control in any combat situation, like with the thugs that were making her nephew make space meth for them, she just gets tired of talking and kills them. BUt when she's put into a social situation with the Presidents Dinner, she has absolutely no idea what to do. If only there were cucumber sandiwiches https://i.imgur.com/YpAWcHQ.mp4
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Strom Cuzewon posted:If only there were cucumber sandiwiches The most Infantry thing Bobbie has ever done
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I think Amos also puts a lot of effort into his ~person suit~ and has to actively think WWHD in most situations. Being able to drop the facade and Yeah I think this is it, although not sure about the Amos suit part. I don't think he's pure lizard brain or anything. Amos doesn't know right from wrong because of what he had to do to survive as a kid, but he understands that it's best for him to do right, so he latches on to someone who seems to be righteous. Being able to be certain that he's doing good and letting the mask drop off, especially after having to keep a lid on himself over an incredibly stressful couple of weeks... well that bloody grin says it all.
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Amos wants to be a decent person, he's also aware that he has no idea how to do so. And he is very practical with no compunctions about violence.
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Grand Fromage posted:Amos wants to be a decent person, he's also aware that he has no idea how to do so. And he is very practical with no compunctions about violence. Which is why he gloms on to every decent -- or even just well-meaning -- person he meets.
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Norton the First posted:Which is why he gloms on to every decent -- or even just well-meaning -- person he meets. I think he specifically chooses Holden as the most moral person he's met and leaves Naomi for him like a wandering remora...
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I was also thinking of Prax and Anna. Amos gets a new best friend every season.
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The real Expanse was the friends Amos made along the way...
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I think he specifically chooses Holden as the most moral person he's met and leaves Naomi for him like a wandering remora... He switches to Holden after Naomi admits she lies to the crew. Amos has his weird crisis during Season 2 and then Naomi admits at the end of the season what she did with the protomolecule: “She's not the person I thought she was."
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Strom Cuzewon posted:If only there were cucumber sandiwiches I bet having real bread and real cucumbers is an extreme luxury for Martians.
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twistedmentat posted:I bet having real bread and real cucumbers is an extreme luxury for Martians. It seemed pretty easy for them to get waffles.
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