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Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Sickening posted:

So have they not figured out ways to make large fleet battles happen without lag?

They're still running poo poo on stackless python. Their band-aid is to slow down in-game time to try to make it somehow less horrible. We can pretty reliably push the game clock down to 10% of real time in a fight.

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Thunder Moose
Mar 7, 2015

S.J.C.

:smith:

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011

Wibla posted:

They're still running poo poo on stackless python. Their band-aid is to slow down in-game time to try to make it somehow less horrible. We can pretty reliably push the game clock down to 10% of real time in a fight.

I dunno, I mean yes the architecture is maybe an issue but in heavy TiDi fights we’re talking 1000’s of players, is there any game that can do that in real time without game breaking problems? Not a dev, but honestly scalability is one of the few things :ccp: has done some neat things with imo.

E: might be my rose colored glasses too, I remember when TiDi didn’t exist. It was worse.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

squirrelzipper posted:

is there any game that can do that in real time without game breaking problems?

The New York Stock Exchange?

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.

Rutibex posted:

The New York Stock Exchange?

They had to include literal miles of Fibre optic cables to slow down trading bots so it's probably a pretty close comparison to Jita 4-4

Thunder Moose
Mar 7, 2015

S.J.C.

Solus posted:

They had to include literal miles of Fibre optic cables to slow down trading bots so it's probably a pretty close comparison to Jita 4-4

I know the IEX did that, I wasn't aware the NYSE followed suit though? :shrug:

Malefitz
Jun 19, 2018

So I read there was a war coming? Are the bad guys attacking us this time or do we still have to fly halfway through the map to do anything?
Anyway, reapplying to Karmafleet currently...

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


The good news is the bad guys are next door this time!

The bad news is their idea of "war" is "shitposting on reddit" so it's probably gonna be us just glassing a region while they only log to unanchor.

Malefitz
Jun 19, 2018

Kazinsal posted:

The good news is the bad guys are next door this time!

The bad news is their idea of "war" is "shitposting on reddit" so it's probably gonna be us just glassing a region while they only log to unanchor.
Awesome, sounds like a real EVE war!
So what's the trigger? TEST didn't want to play with us anymore or something?

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️
Like usual a delusion of grandeur.

DGC773
Sep 10, 2010


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Just downloaded eve again.

DGC773 fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jul 6, 2020

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Malefitz posted:

Awesome, sounds like a real EVE war!
So what's the trigger? TEST didn't want to play with us anymore or something?

From the look of it, some numbers were crunched behind the scenes and GSF/Imperium Leadership seems to have decided that shaking up the sandbox will be more fun per hour than letting it continue to stagnate in the worst blue donut since the 2008-2012 "everyone except for elite pvp lowsec nerds like RnK DnD LO SC Snuff etc is in the blob".

I for one welcome this rejection of the status quo of diplomacy, although there's an argument to be made that until the war involves the TTT highsec citadels, it's a fake to keep the line members engaged.

The opponents to the imperium are casting it as WWB2, where they gonna form voltron to finish what they couldn't finish last time.... wonder how they think that's going to work out for them?

If I had :tenbux: it would say the war eventually gets to the exact same point, Imperium ganged up on by all of new eden, cedes territory, moves back to somewhere like saranen, and just farms people who will get bored of trying to kill them long before the alliance dies. That's what my money says: there comes a point in the war where the exact same mistake made by the voltron forces as last time is, but that's only IF imperium allows them to get that far, tbh. Quite unlikely.

RYYSZLA fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jul 4, 2020

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



I have this terrible feeling I’m going to log in again and enjoy shooting redditors in the face

No, the other ones

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
Have we all just forgotten how awful grinding structures is???

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



chupacabraTERROR posted:

Have we all just forgotten how awful grinding structures is???

Can’t grind structures if they’re all unanchored

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.
It's fine, Lyris will come back to save us. I'm sure of it. Right?

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

RYYSZLA posted:

From the look of it, some numbers were crunched behind the scenes and GSF/Imperium Leadership seems to have decided that shaking up the sandbox will be more fun per hour than letting it continue to stagnate in the worst blue donut since the 2008-2012 "everyone except for elite pvp lowsec nerds like RnK DnD LO SC Snuff etc is in the blob".

I for one welcome this rejection of the status quo of diplomacy, although there's an argument to be made that until the war involves the TTT highsec citadels, it's a fake to keep the line members engaged.

The opponents to the imperium are casting it as WWB2, where they gonna form voltron to finish what they couldn't finish last time.... wonder how they think that's going to work out for them?

If I had :tenbux: it would say the war eventually gets to the exact same point, Imperium ganged up on by all of new eden, cedes territory, moves back to somewhere like saranen, and just farms people who will get bored of trying to kill them long before the alliance dies. That's what my money says: there comes a point in the war where the exact same mistake made by the voltron forces as last time is, but that's only IF imperium allows them to get that far, tbh. Quite unlikely.

Counterpoint: Delve's astrography is MUCH better for defensive ops, the region is much better fortified, and the Rest of EVE isn't being funded by a literal loving casino.

I'm expecting TEST and friends to break long before the Imperium cedes territory.

Boatswain
May 29, 2012
I've mostly been loving around on my own but I am excited to go and be dead weight on some fleets :sun:

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


I’m going to stick a super in Curse and farm the soft underbelly of the southeast. Enjoy your TIDI lmao

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.
forgot

A) how garbage 10% tidi is
and
B) how loving slow a fully laden damnation is

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair
i dont recognize your name solus but your av has me concerned for The Judge's odds

Malefitz
Jun 19, 2018

Application to Karmafleet accepted in less then a day, that was unexpected.

DGC773
Sep 10, 2010


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Malefitz posted:

Application to Karmafleet accepted in less then a day, that was unexpected.

Why not GoonWaffe?

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013
You weren't asking me but I was told that Karmafleet is: More active in general than goonwaffe, more active in EUTZ (my tz) and if you don't have post history (like me & the guy who you were asking don't), you aren't getting into 'waffe fullstop, also with the level of background checks and infrastructure Karma do & have access to, they're functionally identical (although this might be me misunderstanding what I was told)

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica
blaze it with amok sigma squad 4 goats

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

RYYSZLA posted:

You weren't asking me but I was told that Karmafleet is: More active in general than goonwaffe, more active in EUTZ (my tz) and if you don't have post history (like me & the guy who you were asking don't), you aren't getting into 'waffe fullstop, also with the level of background checks and infrastructure Karma do & have access to, they're functionally identical (although this might be me misunderstanding what I was told)

Lmao at going through a background check for a video game.

Especially one as bad as this.

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Sickening posted:

Lmao at going through a background check for a video game.

Especially one as bad as this.

The worst bit is it's not even the most pretentious or ridiculous part of this game

That's what happens when you directly incentivise being a shitler though I guess, thanks CCP?

Malefitz
Jun 19, 2018

NGC773 posted:

Why not GoonWaffe?

Yeah as RYYSZLA mentioned I'm a dirty lurker.
Also Karmafleet was my first Goon corp and really like the place. Nice guys and lots to do. Not sure what GoonWaffe could offer me in addition.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Sickening posted:

Lmao at going through a background check for a video game.

Especially one as bad as this.

So when are you logging in? We've got a war on, it'll be great fun for everyone.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Wibla posted:

So when are you logging in? We've got a war on, it'll be great fun for everyone.

Nah, TIDI isn't fun.

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Sickening posted:

Nah, TIDI isn't fun.

Thanks to the glory of FozzieSov and node clusters and whatnot, you can fight an entire war as a smallgangboi without ever seeing tidi if you want, just avoid the consequences of using your entosis links on these things entirely


ninja edit: this post is not entirely serious pls dont judge

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Clownshoes fleet?

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

RYYSZLA posted:

You weren't asking me but I was told that Karmafleet is: More active in general than goonwaffe, more active in EUTZ (my tz) and if you don't have post history (like me & the guy who you were asking don't), you aren't getting into 'waffe fullstop, also with the level of background checks and infrastructure Karma do & have access to, they're functionally identical (although this might be me misunderstanding what I was told)

All of this is as correct as it needs to be. Karmafleet is for social people that want things to do with people. The requirements for participation are stupid easy to maintain as long as you are playing. There's no reason not to choose KF over Waffe for normal players.

Grom
Apr 26, 2002
I used to really enjoy flying logi, has anything changed with the 'meta' since 2015 that might mean my character can't do logi any more? I could fly Scimitars and Oneiros I think? But not the Amarr/Caldari ones.

kirtar
Sep 11, 2011

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Grom posted:

I used to really enjoy flying logi, has anything changed with the 'meta' since 2015 that might mean my character can't do logi any more? I could fly Scimitars and Oneiros I think? But not the Amarr/Caldari ones.

Guardians and Basilisks are now generally preferred unless there's something like a speed target that prevents their use.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Grom posted:

I used to really enjoy flying logi, has anything changed with the 'meta' since 2015 that might mean my character can't do logi any more? I could fly Scimitars and Oneiros I think? But not the Amarr/Caldari ones.

The Amarr/Caldari ones are preferred in any fleet where they can be used. Some fleets are too fast for basilisks, so scimitars are required. I don't think that's ever true for oneiros. I believe you can still fly them though.

There's also the new ALIENS logi ship that has a gimmick

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
I'm finding that the logi fits are largely the same as when I quit (2017? got burned out after the Hakonen deployment and Burn Jita, whenever that was), with some tweaks. If you don't have Logistics Frigates trained go ahead and do that since we have a lot of doctrines that use the Scalpel/Kirin.

e: I don't think we're using Basilisks currently

kirtar
Sep 11, 2011

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Discussion Quorum posted:

I'm finding that the logi fits are largely the same as when I quit (2017? got burned out after the Hakonen deployment and Burn Jita, whenever that was), with some tweaks. If you don't have Logistics Frigates trained go ahead and do that since we have a lot of doctrines that use the Scalpel/Kirin.

e: I don't think we're using Basilisks currently

That sounds right off the top of my head since cerbs got the axe and muninns are in the too fast category.

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

gwrtheyrn posted:

There's also the new ALIENS logi ship that has a gimmick

The Zarmazd is a ton of fun to fly and spools up to just stupid levels of reps even with only avg skills.

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Grom
Apr 26, 2002
Thanks for the logi deets. Looks like the frigates would definitely be on my list, then the racial ones I don't have. Now to decide if I really want to un-win Eve

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