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big scary monsters posted:These schemes have been mooted every now and then but I'm not aware of any actual action taking place beyond the kind of small scale pilots mentioned in that article. It seems like there's not much in it for European countries, you need an expensive university system that creates a lot of debt like the US or Australia for a reciprocal agreement to make sense. Big investments in such a system only made sense in a background of mutual and global enthusiasm for gradually raising tuition fees... for a while it looked like Germany would introduce one too It's not impossible to enforce claims through courts - you don't get to shake off a bad credit rating by moving to Germany. Such registration systems just reduce the cost of tracking and marginally increase the likelihood of recovery.
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sinky posted:Can't let a good crisis go to waste Has anyone suggested yet that Boris should get rid of his drivers and exclusively use self-driving cars? After all, the technology exists, and it'll save honest, hard-working Britons money, so he should definitely do it.
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Trains are much better subjects for automation than cars because they are literally on rails, which greatly limits the amount of possibilities for killing people, and much of the system for ensuring they don't kill people is already controlled from outside the train. But I'm sure it's primarily motivated by spite regardless.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Does anyone know any good books about the Slum Clearances? Just had a horrible thought about what life would be like if we hadn't gotten to indoor plumbing by the time neoliberalism fully took hold and the indoor toilet being described as a communist plot. What sort of thing are you after? The big late Victorian/Edwardian clearances/forced gentrification of rookeries in London are covered in a lot of books from just about every perspective, the between-wars push for actual social housing to give slum-dwellers proper homes is mostly talked about in fairly dry technical terms but not really in social terms, and the post-WW2 boom is covered in punishing detail in all sorts of places. What there isn't, unfortunately, is an accessible omnibus of all these different works. If you want a good *start* at least, "The Blackest Streets" by Sarah Wise, about the Nichol rookery in Bethnal Green and its transformation into the Boundary Estate, London's first council estate, isn't bad and has a massive bibliography. Also it's worth noting that indoor plumbing, other than cold water, was not a required feature of any of these apart from the last - lots of between-wars blocks still had outside loos, and you can still see the structures of them repurposed as lockups ("pram sheds") from when indoor plumbing actually became a legal requiremint in the 1950s (although retrofitting it wasn't completed until the early *70s* in some pockets of Liverpool and Glasgow, ironically because those cities were among the best at putting up new housing in that second wave.
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OwlFancier posted:Trains are much better subjects for automation than cars because they are literally on rails, which greatly limits the amount of possibilities for killing people, and much of the system for ensuring they don't kill people is already controlled from outside the train. The problem with train automation is you still need someone who can drive the train on-board in case the automation fails. While you can do the DLR trick of rebranding them as "Passenger Service Agents" (or the much, much better original title, "Train Captain", complete with special hat) it's still a wage to pay, even if it is less than a train driver.
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kingturnip posted:Has anyone suggested yet that Boris should get rid of his drivers and exclusively use self-driving cars? I wouldn't. The money would mostly go to the company and not to the driver before. It would become (or worse) private company claiming more for nothing.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The problem with train automation is you still need someone who can drive the train on-board in case the automation fails. While you can do the DLR trick of rebranding them as "Passenger Service Agents" (or the much, much better original title, "Train Captain", complete with special hat) it's still a wage to pay, even if it is less than a train driver. how do driverless train systems with only remote backup drivers achieve it? I presume there's some sufficiently low level of failure before it becomes acceptable, in uptime terms, to have a cart drive out to the train from the nearest station when it does occur the entire rail line would need to be engineered to be safely walkable to the nearest station, too. Hmm. ronya fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:Trains are much better subjects for automation than cars because they are literally on rails, which greatly limits the amount of possibilities for killing people, and much of the system for ensuring they don't kill people is already controlled from outside the train. actually trains can od the trolley problem which is a Logical Proof that socialism is communism and kills one hundred million people annually
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happyhippy posted:I wouldn't. I believe he is making a joke about the regrettable tendency of self driving cars to drive themselves into immovable objects.
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Bobstar posted:As expected, the arts money has strings and is "not for people". Good short thread from Dave, a comrade who should post in this thread if he doesn't already. The alarming possibility is presenting itself that you may know my wife, who is a fairly well-connected SM in the UK theatre scene... Apparently some prominent companies arel backing out of the plan to light theatres up red this evening to help bring attention to their plight, because they don't want to seem "ungrateful" for the repayable loans the government are so kindly proposing to offer them. Stupid. But understandable I guess if you're used to begging for scraps. Maugrim fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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ronya posted:how do driverless train systems with only remote backup drivers achieve it? Very poorly, or they just cheat and have a shunting-speed local driver capability with a guard on-board trained to use it. Outside of people-mover systems I don't think there are any passenger rail systems that are *completely* unstaffed, even if the staff member on-board is just checking tickets - the nearest is probably that Tokyo DLR-like system where the cheat is that there are staff capable of driving the trains at some of the stations, and the very short distances involved mean in an emergency they can walk down the tracks to take over the train/evacuate people. It's actually that latter requirement, *especially* for underground systems, that should prevent even the most rapacious train company going completely-unstaffed - a situation like, say, the Holborn derailment on the Central Line (which resulted in a thankfully self-limiting fire) would be a bloodbath without a driver/other staff member on board to organise the evacuation. (I'm ignoring the Mile End derailment where there were more injuries caused by people tripping and falling while evacuating than in the actual crash because that's just a problem with poo poo tunnel design)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:from when indoor plumbing actually became a legal requiremint in the 1950s (although retrofitting it wasn't completed until the early *70s* in some pockets of Liverpool and Glasgow, ironically because those cities were among the best at putting up new housing in that second wave. ronya posted:how do driverless train systems with only remote backup drivers achieve it? ronya posted:I presume there's some sufficiently low level of failure before it becomes acceptable, in uptime terms, to have a cart drive out to the train from the nearest station when it does occur ronya posted:the entire rail line would need to be engineered to be safely walkable to the nearest station, too. Hmm.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Aargh, I can just imagine it: save on building costs by having 1 communal bathroom per 4 shoebox flats; the bathroom's cleaned once a week at the same time as the other communal areas of the block (this gets added to the service charge) and the whole thing's marketed as though it's an added bonus for the lucky residents. Everyone's a winner! Doesn't work if you've all got to go to work/whatever at near enough the same time and got to all process through the bathroom especially if at least one person needs a 20 minute 'sit' every morning. Having lived in a HMO with 7 people sharing 1 bathroom (luckily the toilet was separate to the room with the bath in it) and a single shower on the landing separated from the stairs by a single curtain - it's not fun. Arguing about who left hair in the bath or blocking up the shower hole, some people don't clean the bath/shower after use, some people don't clean the toilet bowl after use, and as we have read on this very thread some people 'perform' in the shower - oh it's too disgusting. At least if you're all the same family you can yell at each other. My mum uses all that environmentally friendly "cleaning" stuff so nothing's EVER properly clean. My dad didn't see why baths or showers ever needed cleaning because you know, you put soap and water on yourself so that's automatically cleaning. My sister used to dye her hair several times a week leaving splashes everywhere, as to my brothers.. well I've read ITT what some men think it acceptable to do in showers... I can only assume teenage brothers were not very different.
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Maugrim posted:The alarming possibility is presenting itself that you may know my wife, who is a fairly well-connected SM in the UK theatre scene... 
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I've read ITT what some men think it acceptable to do in showers...
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Stop dońte-mail now, my wife!!!! Maugrim posted:The alarming possibility is presenting itself that you may know my wife, who is a fairly well-connected SM in the UK theatre scene... This is very possible. It's a small world. Bobstar fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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I'm going to pick up a work laptop from London on Wednesday, I'm glad for a chance to go somewhere but want to take proper precautions. I can wear a mask but should I be covering my eyes? I have sunglasses, even swimming goggles if it worth looking silly.
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Bobstar posted:Stop dońte-mail now, my wife!!!! 
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feedmegin posted:Conveniently, Brexit also makes it a whole lot harder for masses of young graduates to do that Not quite - still plenty of places where it's easy to get good jobs relative to cost of living as a graduate from a UK(!) university(!) Anyone under 30 who can should probably just leave the UK since it's not getting better for at least a generation at this point.
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welp the umbrella company who pay me have just announced they're stopping furlough as of the end of the month but i have no idea when I can go back to work. coworkers with a different umbrella company said theirs have extended the furlough
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm going to pick up a work laptop from London on Wednesday, I'm glad for a chance to go somewhere but want to take proper precautions. I can wear a mask but should I be covering my eyes? I have sunglasses, even swimming goggles if it worth looking silly. How about one of those clear plastic face shields? Some stores are now selling them for just £1.99 each (typically doing so 2 weeks after I bought some for my family for nearly £8 each) I'll be wearing one next time I'm on public transport plus a face mask.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Very poorly, or they just cheat and have a shunting-speed local driver capability with a guard on-board trained to use it. Outside of people-mover systems I don't think there are any passenger rail systems that are *completely* unstaffed, even if the staff member on-board is just checking tickets - the nearest is probably that Tokyo DLR-like system where the cheat is that there are staff capable of driving the trains at some of the stations, and the very short distances involved mean in an emergency they can walk down the tracks to take over the train/evacuate people. looks like someone's trying: http://w1.siemens.com.cn/news_en/news_articles_en/3604.aspx https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2019/7/alstom-supply-core-train-systems-first-driverless-metro-line-nanjing maybe be some years before the tech is considered proven
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm going to pick up a work laptop from London on Wednesday, I'm glad for a chance to go somewhere but want to take proper precautions. I can wear a mask but should I be covering my eyes? I have sunglasses, even swimming goggles if it worth looking silly. No you'll be fine - the biggest risk is in person to person interactions, not free virus floating around.
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NGC773 posted:The student loan is terrible for middle class earners. Can't say I really feel much for the middle class getting rogered here when so often is the extremely bourgeois older middle class folk who so often lust for the policies that most hurt the working class. Obviously it'd be better if you pay back more if you earn more but it's pretty far down the list of priorities. Ultimately I think we should have high enough rates of income tax to afford "free tuition" but it's not really a fight I'd want to see anyone waste capital on just now when folk are starving and folk are homeless
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIiNbBQM_Goronya posted:looks like someone's trying I suppose you could have no drivers/conductors and have a transport police posted on every train, but that's falling into the "defund everything except the police" trap.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm going to pick up a work laptop from London on Wednesday, I'm glad for a chance to go somewhere but want to take proper precautions. I can wear a mask but should I be covering my eyes? I have sunglasses, even swimming goggles if it worth looking silly. Wear a mask, take a portable bottle of hand sanitiser, don't rub your face, I've not really seen any advice to protect your eyes.
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Face shield that Jaeluni Asjil mentioned is the best for eyes without going for safety goggles or a full face respirator. Reduces the need for a mask too.
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Jose posted:welp the umbrella company who pay me have just announced they're stopping furlough as of the end of the month but i have no idea when I can go back to work. coworkers with a different umbrella company said theirs have extended the furlough im surprised to hear this. it's been one of the wettest years i can remember
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Breath Ray posted:im surprised to hear this. it's been one of the wettest years i can remember 
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When I was in Germany, the people who declared their income to the student loans company got absolutely hosed by them as they couldn't "guarantee their income". Once they had your details they demanded the max repayment per month at an extremely unfavourable exchange rate. A mate of mine was getting hit for 800 euros a month from his takehome pay, if he didn't move in with his German girlfriend he'd have been screwed. I never de-registered myself from the UK and just was 'unemployed' for 6 years and just took up repayments like nothing happened once I returned. I'll probably save up as much as I can over the next few years every month and pay the whole drat thing off if I can eventually else I'll be paying it off for the next 30 years. Mebh fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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I've tried to stay out of the day-to-day Labour stuff since the election, not for any more honourable reason than "the end of last year was loving depressing and I need a break". But just to vent for one second: after years of rightly complaining about dickheads like John Mann weaponising anti-semitism claims for purely factional purposes, got to admit it's kind of depressing to now see people on the left doing the same thing. I get it, they're knobs. But I would have hoped the last few years would have taught us enough to not blindly accept "yeah Richard Desmond was slurred, fire Steve Reed, zero tolerance is zero tolerance" just to make a point about RLB. It's gonna make things worse. I'm going to go back to not reading Twitter tbh.
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I would suggest that continuing to allow it to be used purely as a weapon against the left is worse than just burning everything down and salting the earth, tbh. If they want cynicism they can have it. If they don't want to represent us then I don't see why we should be nice to them.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm going to pick up a work laptop from London on Wednesday, I'm glad for a chance to go somewhere but want to take proper precautions. I can wear a mask but should I be covering my eyes? I have sunglasses, even swimming goggles if it worth looking silly. What you want to do is spend the entirety of your time in London wearing a face shield, swimming goggles and a swimming costume, and nothing else. Except maybe flippers. There's an exceptionally good chance that you'll be able to socially distance even on a packed Tube train and pick up your laptop with the minimum of fuss.
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Tangentially related to automated train chat: the Next Big Thing being touted in autonomous vehicles is cargo ships. Looking forward to 250,000 tonne tanker ships merrily cruising the worlds' oceans with no human oversight beyond a guy sleeping in front of ten monitors at the other end of a dodgy satellite uplink.
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bustin keaton posted:I've tried to stay out of the day-to-day Labour stuff since the election, not for any more honourable reason than "the end of last year was loving depressing and I need a break". But just to vent for one second: after years of rightly complaining about dickheads like John Mann weaponising anti-semitism claims for purely factional purposes, got to admit it's kind of depressing to now see people on the left doing the same thing. None of it matters because parliamentary socialism is a fantasy as silly as ethical capitalism so may as well the schadenfreude of disingenuous Labour right shitheads reaping what they sowed, the stupid cunts
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big scary monsters posted:Tangentially related to automated train chat: the Next Big Thing being touted in autonomous vehicles is cargo ships. Looking forward to 250,000 tonne tanker ships merrily cruising the worlds' oceans with no human oversight beyond a guy sleeping in front of ten monitors at the other end of a dodgy satellite uplink. They'll probably still need a pilot to navigate Bramble Bank or the entrance to Portsmouth Harbour, though gently caress knows the carnage that would ensue in Rotterdam if one failed
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big scary monsters posted:Tangentially related to automated train chat: the Next Big Thing being touted in autonomous vehicles is cargo ships. Looking forward to 250,000 tonne tanker ships merrily cruising the worlds' oceans with no human oversight beyond a guy sleeping in front of ten monitors at the other end of a dodgy satellite uplink. That seems weird because the majority of the work on a ship isn't driving it, it's keeping everything on board running so that it can be driven as opposed to sinking or exploding or drifting aimlessly and then sinking or exploding.
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OwlFancier posted:I would suggest that continuing to allow it to be used purely as a weapon against the left is worse than just burning everything down and salting the earth, tbh. If they want cynicism they can have it. If they don't want to represent us then I don't see why we should be nice to them. Exactly this. The "they go low, we go high" philosophy has cost the left dearly, as the right is prepared to sink to any low in order to win. It's unfortunate, but the left has to fight just as dirty to have any chance.
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OwlFancier posted:That seems weird because the majority of the work on a ship isn't driving it, it's keeping everything on board running so that it can be driven as opposed to sinking or exploding or drifting aimlessly and then sinking or exploding. TBH I imagine it's mostly Rolls-Royce and Kongsberg pitching a solution almost nobody is really looking for to a really hard problem so that they can siphon off great big gobs of government money into endless research grants. Same basic scam as autonomous cars.
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Mebh posted:I never de-registered myself from the UK and just was 'unemployed' for 6 years and just took up repayments like nothing happened once I returned. I'll probably save up as much as I can over the next few years every month and pay the whole drat thing off if I can eventually else I'll be paying it off for the next 30 years. What does "de-register" mean here, given that the UK has no system whatsoever to know who exists and where? You didn't tell the student loan wankers inc that you moved?
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