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If I correctly understand the legal mechanisms being used for the mask thing here in OR, it's an OSHA requirement upon the businesses, requiring employees to specifically approach people who aren't wearing masks and hassle them about it. In reality, this is how you get your 19 year old stockers and cashiers screamed at by angry hicks, so everyplace I've actually been into is just posting the signs and NOT having their employees get involved. Which is reasonable, dumping all that on them is actual bullshit.
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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-07-02-20-intl/h_d9bab911fa1e213337defa5b2a787233 some folks gonna lose their poo poo.... lol
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Inslee is going to approach this one month at a time because he wants this free ride to end as badly as the rest of the other cold, calculating "balance the budget" dems. Thankfully, our state's high unemployment rate kicked in a law that allows extended benefits for an extra 20 weeks to the unemployed. I should qualify for that soon, but they aren't saying if that includes the extra 600 per week we've been getting from the PEUC.
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Javid posted:If I correctly understand the legal mechanisms being used for the mask thing here in OR, it's an OSHA requirement upon the businesses, requiring employees to specifically approach people who aren't wearing masks and hassle them about it. They should just call the cops on anyone not wearing a mask, and the cops should come to arrest them. Of course, that would require that cops not be garbage, but here we are.
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Sure, if you actually believe A) stores will just dutifully call the cops on entire families with children who are grocery shopping B) the cops will show up to a "person without mask" call and arrest entire families with children who are grocery shopping C) they won't find reasons to murder people while in the process
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therobit posted:I don't think it's going to be possible to achieve that level of lockdown New York did it less than 6 weeks ago you loving doomer Edit: Close all in-person office work. Keep schools closed. CLOSE GYMS AND RESTAURANT DINING ROOMS AND PATIOS FOR gently caress'S SAKE. We had an Rt under 1 in King until they started walking these extremely basic precautions back. The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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Especially now that they're all snippy because people are getting mad at them over that whole "regularly murdering people in cold blood" thing
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The Oldest Man posted:New York did it less than 6 weeks ago you loving doomer I think think it would have been possible if we'd stayed locked down in the first place. With as much unidentifed community spread as is happening right now, and with the attitude that other people here in Oregon seem to be exhibiting, I really don't see another lockdown being successful.
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Another hitch in getting coronavirus to stop is the fact that people still feel it's fine to have large gatherings. Last week the city I live in was in the news because someone that attended a house party of around 40-70 people turned out to be corona positive.
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logger posted:Another hitch in getting coronavirus to stop is the fact that people still feel it's fine to have large gatherings. Last week the city I live in was in the news because someone that attended a house party of around 40-70 people turned out to be corona positive. Multiple neighbors hosted large parties for the 4th. Feel like things are gonna get real weird in about two weeks.
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therobit posted:I think think it would have been possible if we'd stayed locked down in the first place. With as much unidentifed community spread as is happening right now, and with the attitude that other people here in Oregon seem to be exhibiting, I really don't see another lockdown being successful. It seems like your view is just myopically looking at Oregon, noting that things have gotten worse since shelter in place orders were softened, and declaring defeat. Look elsewhere at states that had worsening outbreaks and got them under control at least temporarily. The first lockdown in WA was successful because it modified the effective reproduction number from 2+ to <1. Now it's ~1.1-1.8 (source: https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/key-indicators.aspx). So - to recap - we went from zero lockdown with massive community spread (Re 2+) to full lockdown (or as full as is possible for a gov to practically order without federal aid) with a shrinking COVID caseload (Re <1). Now we're in a 'soft' lockdown and have an outbreak between those two extremes with a Re worse than it was a month ago but not as bad as it was 3 months ago. So tell me how re-employing the exact same strategy that worked not 4 months ago a second time is not going to work. We've got the same virus, the same population susceptibility, the same government, same everything.
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People are broke and fatigued. They aren't going to be as compliant the second time around, and federal help is probably ending, so they'll be even more broke. And yeah, I'm talking about Oregon as well as Washington, because Oregon is also part of the PNW and I live here. This isn't the Seattle thread. The rural areas of both states never really complied in the first place. But because they were more spread out to begin with and most of the cases were in population centers, that wasn't as big of a problem. With reopening people from the cities flocked to the rural areas and now there are significant increases in the number of cases in those areas. Those people probably still won't be shutting stuff down because a liberal Governor tells them to. I think it would have been a lot smarter to stay locked dow. In the first place but LOL if you think it's going to go as well the second time around.
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The Oldest Man posted:So tell me how re-employing the exact same strategy that worked not 4 months ago a second time is not going to work. We've got the same virus, the same population susceptibility, the same government, same everything. Because people have gotten a little taste of normalcy again after being denied it for a couple months. They're not going to treat a 2nd lockdown the same way they treated the 1st one. Yeah it's the same virus, same people, blah blah blah, but the attitude has changed like therobit mentioned. Some people will respect it. Most business might be forced to close again. But people will not react the same way to a lockdown order as they did the first time. That's just my take though from talking to a lot of my customers (retail/entertainment type of business) about how things have progressed over the last couple of weeks. I think it's insane how little people trust the science and statistics that have come out and prefer to just do their own thing and hope for the best. It's especially crazy to me how the MAGA types don't see our national failure as an actual failure. Aren't we supposed to be the best loving country on the face of the Earth? How can that kind of competitive mindset deal with such a massive failure? Pure delusional thinking I guess is the only thing that makes any sense to me.
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It's also NOT the same virus. The European strain that now comprises most of the new infections in the US doesn't make you any sicker but is anywhere from 2-8 times more virulent than its Chinese strain counterpart. Infection rates will be higher.
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Well unless you have another suggestion for avoiding the "hospitals get overwhelmed" point, lockdown is gonna be the thing we try. The disadvantages compared to April are fatigue and a federal government even less forthcoming with aid. The advantages are that we have a better understanding of masks and the difference between indoor and outdoor spread, which might allow for some more long-term-usable lockdown strategies.
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Yeah, we'd better get some financial aid pointed at this poo poo real quick. You're right "just starve to death without work" isn't an option. Not calling for a lockdown isn't really an option either, because it doesn't lead anywhere -- we can wait until the hospitals fill up and every other health hazard gets worse as a consequence, further increasing the stakes while we'll still be facing the same problem. We're stressing fruitlessly between two non-options, while all the actual options seem to be off the table due to our country's refusal to let the government spend money to solve problems. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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Ditocoaf posted:Yeah, we'd better get some financial aid pointed at this poo poo real quick. You're right "just starve to death without work" isn't an option. Not calling for a lockdown isn't really an option either, because it doesn't lead anywhere -- we can wait until the hospitals fill up and every other health hazard gets worse as a consequence, further increasing the stakes while we'll still be facing the same problem. Yeah this is pretty much the bottom line here. Either we figure out a way to keep people out of superspreading environments like offices and restaurant dining rooms, or we start digging mass graves.
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The Oldest Man posted:Yeah this is pretty much the bottom line here. Either we figure out a way to keep people out of superspreading environments like offices and restaurant dining rooms, or we start digging mass graves. *goes to buy shovels*
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Thanatosian posted:So... what I'm hearing is we either have faith in the most basic competence of the people running the country, or should start investing in shovels? Backhoes and dozers, actually.
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Looks like chud favorite Culp is having some issues. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jul/05/washington-governor-candidate-loren-culp-faces-law/%3Famp-content%3Damp quote:
Be sure to throw that in the faces of every rear end in a top hat that whines about Inslee making folks wear masks.
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Solkanar512 posted:Looks like chud favorite Culp is having some issues. Buried the lede: quote:“We both felt strongly that the allegations were made up and the decision was made to not make an arrest,” Culp wrote. 
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Seattle City Council appears to have an emerging veto-proof majority in principle for a 50% funding cut to SPD. Morales, Gonzales, Mosqueda, Sawant, Strauss, and Lewis have all publicly said something to that effect in the last two days in support of the Decriminalize Seattle 4-point plan. Honestly never thought I'd see the day. SPOG is going to go absolutely nanners.
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The Oldest Man posted:Seattle City Council appears to have an emerging veto-proof majority in principle for a 50% funding cut to SPD. Morales, Gonzales, Mosqueda, Sawant, Strauss, and Lewis have all publicly said something to that effect in the last two days in support of the Decriminalize Seattle 4-point plan. The issue will be the rubber meeting the road. There's a difference between saying "I support the goal of a 50% cut" and how it happens. If the council passes a budget that phases in SPD cuts, and cuts them by 25% this year and 50% by 2022, will advocates count that as a win or will they be mad it isn't happening faster?
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gohuskies posted:The issue will be the rubber meeting the road. There's a difference between saying "I support the goal of a 50% cut" and how it happens. If the council passes a budget that phases in SPD cuts, and cuts them by 25% this year and 50% by 2022, will advocates count that as a win or will they be mad it isn't happening faster? Ha ha Portland did, what, 3%?25% would still be a gigantic win and I sure as poo poo HOPE people would see it as a win because it would be a super awesome thing to be accomplished. Which is not to say things should stop there but holy poo poo any type of progress needs to be acknowledged and celebrated.
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gohuskies posted:will advocates count that as a win or will they be mad it isn't happening faster? Both! At least from me. Also Seattle Times Editorial Board with this gem today: https://twitter.com/SeaTimesOpinion/status/1280991631072690183?s=20 Let's read it shall we! quote:The Seattle City Council passed its latest iteration of a payroll tax Monday, a brazen move out of touch with the economic crisis facing the city. quote:Under the political cover of the COVID-19 emergency, the council voted 7-2 to push through a long-term tax on the city’s richest employers for paying high-income jobs. quote:Once again, the council machinated toward a tax while still brainstorming its goal along the way. But setting bad governance aside, taxing employers for providing high-income jobs within city limits could be ruinous for the city’s, and region’s, struggling economy. quote:The 800 or so businesses subject to the payroll tax — Amazon preeminent among them — now have incentive to take their highest-paying jobs across Lake Washington, or further. quote:That revenue is siphoned from businesses, which will manage their balance sheet losses in ways that could hurt Seattle. quote:Restaurateur Tom Douglas permanently shuttered two once-bustling South Lake Union restaurants the same day the tax was announced. More closures will surely follow. quote:Councilmember Alex Pedersen, who along with Debora Juarez voted against the tax, rightly characterized the rush job as “taxing first, asking questions later.” Disappointingly, the other council members showed they were willing to overlook thoughtful governance to strike an activist pose. They should reconsider the consequences for the city’s residents and workers. Ed: bonus scare word inventory: Brazen! Out of touch! Political! Machinated! Bad governance! Ruinous! Punitive! Murky! Flimsy! Rush job! The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jul 10, 2020 |
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I’m guessing everyone here from Washington has seen those Matt Larkin for AG adds but holy poo poo the dog whistling.
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Nucleic Acids posted:I’m guessing everyone here from Washington has seen those Matt Larkin for AG adds but holy poo poo the dog whistling. What are you talking about? After the city parks reconquista, "those" people will simply go back where they came from.
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/GregoryMcKelvey/status/1283801687472214016
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The Oldest Man posted:The ongoing pandemic is unrelated to restaurant closures. Any business that moves or closes from now on - and even some that were already planning to - are because of this tax. Call me selfish, but Tom Douglas losing 2 of his gazillion restaurants are the least of my loving concerns at the moment. Feel bad for the workers, but they were screwed anyway.
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/GregoryMcKelvey/status/1283801687472214016 lmao america is a police state and has been my entire life
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:lmao america is a police state and has been my entire life
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Thanatosian posted:That person was about six inches from getting their head run into that light pole and probably never waking up again. loving psychopaths. I'm not going to link the video here because it's absolutely horrifying and because the only source I can find for the original clip is on noted Atomwaffen fan Andy Ngo's twitter, but the video of Donavan La Bella getting shot in the face while holding a boombox over his head with both hands is "demonstrator executed by security forces"-level. Latest update: quote:Donavan LaBella is being treated at Legacy Emanuel Medical Center in Portland, his mother told KPTV. She said he suffered shattered bones in his face, but it’s not yet clear if he suffered brain trauma or permanent eye injuries. She said he is expected to survive and is no longer in critical condition.
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The Oldest Man posted:I'm not going to link the video here because it's absolutely horrifying and because the only source I can find for the original clip is on noted Atomwaffen fan Andy Ngo's twitter, but the video of Donavan La Bella getting shot in the face while holding a boombox over his head with both hands is "demonstrator executed by security forces"-level. So many different horrifying acts of police brutality that current horrifying acts of police brutality can remind us of.
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https://twitter.com/SCC_Insight/status/1284531029173125120 Hey you can't just take away the cops' weapons of mass violence. That violates our consent decree to reduce cops' use of mass violence.
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