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MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
Becoming a Maoist because I want to date a Chinese party official's daughter who mostly just likes to humiliate me

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Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Homeless Friend posted:

*pointing at a woman* fascism

confused political compass maker looking around worriedly

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
reminds me of the Revolutionary Alliance of Unpopular Men
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/japanese-incels-marxist-revolution-kakumeiteki-himote

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

MizPiz posted:

Becoming a Maoist because I want to date a Chinese party official's daughter who mostly just likes to humiliate me

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
https://twitter.com/aocismywaifu/status/1280192152367136770?s=21

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

saving for various future curse of the lion assad events



https://twitter.com/PolskaTuga/status/1280195542413389824

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

MizPiz posted:

Becoming a Maoist because I want to date a Chinese party official's daughter who mostly just likes to humiliate me

dont kink shame

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/mossrobeson__/status/1280355404623601665?s=20

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
started the new cockshott book titled how the world works: the story of human labor from prehistory to the modern day. i've only read the chapters on pre-class and slave economies but it's very good.

he presents an interesting explanation for why hunter and gatherer societies made the transition to agriculture: population pressures. first, improved hunting tools lead to more food and, therefore, population growth. next, the community's caloric needs exceeded what could be gotten from hunting and gathering, providing an incentive to domesticate crops. agriculture took, on average, more labor time to produce the same amount of calories as hunting and gathering, so absent that incentive there was no reason to make the transition. but once completed, it does provide more calories per square kilometer, which, alongside improvements in farming tools, reduces constraints on population growth even further. pretty quickly the population is of a size that there's no going back to hunting and gathering, even if other, more bountiful areas were discovered

there's also some interesting stuff about the sexual division of labor and the rise of patriarchy and how they're determined by the mode of production.

Finicums Wake fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jul 7, 2020

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ/videos

Cockshott also has a series of videos that go into some of what his book covers.

I agree that the his thesis on the origins of a patriarchal society as it relates to the mode of production is interesting.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

the Ukrainian community diaspora seems to be largely pro-ukranian nazi collaborator since a lot of them are nationalist heroes and the Canadian government 100% supports it

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-government-comes-to-the-defence-of-nazi-ss-and-nazi-collaborators-but-why

https://twitter.com/edolinsky/status/1164491262139015169

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
guess the british didn't get them all at linz

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:

guess the british didn't get them all at linz

NGC773 posted:

I am beginning to think this thread is worse than reddit for left echo chamber it appears to be.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Anybody have that image that says “gently caress America” with a cartoon picture of a klansman in an SUV

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Do you guys think that it would be worth reading Varoufakis? I've listened to his lectures online and it seems like hes an old school social democrat like Olaf Palme, in that he wants to get rid of capitalism but through electoral means.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

just make a soundcloud and invite him on your podcast

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Dreylad posted:

the Ukrainian community diaspora seems to be largely pro-ukranian nazi collaborator since a lot of them are nationalist heroes and the Canadian government 100% supports it

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-government-comes-to-the-defence-of-nazi-ss-and-nazi-collaborators-but-why

https://twitter.com/edolinsky/status/1164491262139015169

The loving deputy prime minister's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator, and when she was questioned about it she claimed that it was "disinformation spread by Russians".

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/MattWelch/status/1280489578336567297

lmfao

A4R8
Feb 28, 2020

ToxicAcne posted:

Do you guys think that it would be worth reading Varoufakis? I've listened to his lectures online and it seems like hes an old school social democrat like Olaf Palme, in that he wants to get rid of capitalism but through electoral means.

This is impossible so don’t waste your time with Varoufakis

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

ToxicAcne posted:

Do you guys think that it would be worth reading Varoufakis? I've listened to his lectures online and it seems like hes an old school social democrat like Olaf Palme, in that he wants to get rid of capitalism but through electoral means.

i liked his book the global minotaur. it's about how the switch from the bretton woods system, based on us gold backed dollars, to a new international system based on us fiat currency ended up setting the stage for the 2008 financial collapse

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

ToxicAcne posted:

Do you guys think that it would be worth reading Varoufakis? I've listened to his lectures online and it seems like hes an old school social democrat like Olaf Palme, in that he wants to get rid of capitalism but through electoral means.

his analysis is generally good but his solutions are poo poo

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

A4R8 posted:

This is impossible so don’t waste your time with Varoufakis

Oh ya definitely, I was considering reading him more for his economic analysis/ explanation of financial systems.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

i keep yelling at anyone who will listen that chumpsky is a psyop

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
I don't think he's a psyop. I think he's been beaten down so much that he believes that only way out of the current situation is reformism. In his earlier lectures he was alot more explicit about his criticism of the NYT and espoused his anarchist beliefs more explicitly.

He's done too much for the struggle against imperialism, especially in the Muslim world for me not to have some fondness for him.

Edit: Also he signs just about any petition put in front of him.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

ToxicAcne posted:

I don't think he's a psyop. I think he's been beaten down so much that he believes that only way out of the current situation is reformism. In his earlier lectures he was alot more explicit about his criticism of the NYT and espoused his anarchist beliefs more explicitly.

He's done too much for the struggle against imperialism, especially in the Muslim world for me not to have some fondness for him.

Edit: Also he signs just about any petition put in front of him.

He may have had some heart in the seventies but it is clear it is now gone.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
If you weren’t an anarchist in the 70s you have no heart, and if you aren’t a Communist in 2020 you have no brain

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Ardennes posted:

He may have had some heart in the seventies but it is clear it is now gone.

I'd say at least until the 90s. He was against the bombing of Serbia which went way against the grain of liberal opinion.

Edit: in that sense he reminds me alot of Kropotkin in his later years, who began associating himself more with liberals and kind of easing off of the revolutionary rhetoric.

ToxicAcne fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jul 7, 2020

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
chomsky infamously defended a holocaust denier against censorship because he has pretty absolutist views on freedom of speech, so seeing him sign his name to this isn't really surprising.

he's also always advocated for lesser evil voting, if you're in a swing state at least, on consequentialist grounds, so his support of biden in the election shouldn't be surprising either.

there are a better leftist writers for basically any topic he's covered. and, if you're posting in this thread, then there's likely not any reason for you to go out and read him. but, for many people, he's the first anti-imperialist they ever encounter, he writes clearly, and he points them to other sources, so i try not to poo poo on him too much

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Finicums Wake posted:

but, for many people, he's the first anti-imperialist they ever encounter, he writes clearly, and he points them to other sources, so i try not to poo poo on him too much

this was me when I was 16. I still think there's some value in his explanations of problems cause they're very thorough and easy to read, but his solutions are nonsense poo poo

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Chumpsky

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Finicums Wake posted:

chomsky infamously defended a holocaust denier against censorship because he has pretty absolutist views on freedom of speech, so seeing him sign his name to this isn't really surprising.

who was this

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


bernie panders

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair#Petition_signed_by_Chomsky

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Chomsky was old before anyone here was born, imo he can have a bad take once in awhile and it doesn’t matter very much.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Lightning Knight posted:

Chomsky was old before anyone here was born, imo he can have a bad take once in awhile and it doesn’t matter very much.

that take was before we were born

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

christ

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
if nazi speech is covered by freedom of speech, then so should be pre-emptive self defence :v:

Truga fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 7, 2020

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
And ya in defense of Chomsky signing that petition, Focault, Althusser, de Beauvoir, and Sartre (and just about every other famous French leftist intellectual) signed a petition in favor of abolishing the age of consent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

i say swears online posted:

that take was before we were born

see, but that means he’s consistently disappointing, instead of finding new and terrible ways to disappoint us.

^ :stare:

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

ToxicAcne posted:

And ya in defense of Chomsky signing that petition, Focault, Althusser, de Beauvoir, and Sartre (and just about every other famous French leftist intellectual) signed a petition in favor of abolishing the age of consent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

By 1977, all of them were pretty much libs and/or Eurocommunists.

Also, yeah, post-structuralism is complete trash and is rooted the dominance of far-right narratives in the West during the late 1970s/80s.

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jul 7, 2020

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