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What was the reason behind the collapse of the french left during that time period? It's really surprising that many of the leaders of the 68 protests became neolibs.
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ToxicAcne posted:What was the reason behind the collapse of the french left during that time period? It's really surprising that many of the leaders of the 68 protests became neolibs. Pushback against orthodox Marxism and class analysis in academia , along with disillusionment with the USSR and probably at least some money from the CIA here and there for a few people.
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Jul 7, 2020 22:04
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ToxicAcne posted:What was the reason behind the collapse of the french left during that time period? It's really surprising that many of the leaders of the 68 protests became neolibs. Usually, the Soviet reaction to the Prague Spring is cited as a chief cause, but Western/French security forces were doing the same thing at the same time. It is an excuse. I think it is mostly success in publishing and academia. If you are a "leftist" who is now upper middle class it doesn't make much sense to rock the boat. It is so much easier to write something safe and drink a bottle of wine in your garden.
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Jul 7, 2020 22:16
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ToxicAcne posted:What was the reason behind the collapse of the french left during that time period? It's really surprising that many of the leaders of the 68 protests became neolibs. i think ardennes is somewhat overstating the degree to which those specific intellectuals became liberals, but it bears remembering that the government bought off the workers during the sixty-eight rebellion and defeated it that way - it was becoming clear that organising the workers to stage a revolution was not a viable strategy, and so an alternative had to be formulated, prominent among them the march through the institutions, where cadres would get positions in important international and national positions and subvert them from a position of power. this they did, but as they shaped the institutions with their values and outlook, material reality and political consensus was shifting around them and suddenly they were imposing austerity on greece and sinking refugee ships in the mediterranean
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Jul 7, 2020 22:20
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like, the PCF is still around and still has its old school outlook, it's just kept bleeding and bleeding e. the prevailing attitude in western europe was that that the Soviets were more or less revisionist at this point and were committing acts of imperialism in a way very much parallel to the west. the lighthouses were mainly mao's china and to an extent albania, so soviet allegiance was a big point of contention even before prague '68 V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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Jul 7, 2020 22:22
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https://web.archive.org/web/20191115230624/https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/noam-chomsky-and-the-compatible-left-part-i/ Thought you guys might find this interesting. Edit: And im' not sure if I totally agree with the article, but it's a bitter irony that Chomsky himself becomes of one of the incarnations of "limited but vigorous debate" that hes railed against his entire life. Also it seems that most prominent leftists alive today have really good analysis yet garbage takes on action. See David Harvey, Varoufakis, Chomsky etc. Also I really want to read Parenti but I can't find most of his works in Canada? Any suggestions? ToxicAcne fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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Jul 7, 2020 23:11
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ToxicAcne posted:https://web.archive.org/web/20191115230624/https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/noam-chomsky-and-the-compatible-left-part-i/ Libgen
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ToxicAcne posted:https://web.archive.org/web/20191115230624/https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/noam-chomsky-and-the-compatible-left-part-i/ The thesis that those actively engaged in radical struggle will inevitably take an ad-hoc marxist view is quite interesting.
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I remember Bookchin saying something similar regarding the anarcho-syndicalists. Edit: Also the author's assertion that the 70s, 80s and 90s were more radical is kind of sketch to me. Granted I wasn't alive back then but it seems like typical leftist pessimism to me. Edit 2: Other than that whole series is a really good critique of Chomsky that illuminated many thoughts I've had about him but couldn't express. ToxicAcne fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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ToxicAcne posted:Edit: Also the author's assertion that the 70s, 80s and 90s were more radical is kind of sketch to me. Granted I wasn't alive back then but it seems like typical leftist pessimism to me. In academia it is probably true. Once universities became businesses/equity funds, there really wasn't a place for the left, but that is only one facet. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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GalacticAcid posted:If you weren’t an anarchist in the 70s you have no heart, and if you aren’t a Communist in 2020 you have no brain 
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the 70s seemed pretty radical compared to the following decades. i've been going through and reading old U.S. maoist papers from then on marxists.org and it's wild to see how many of these groups existed, and how optimistic they were
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Jul 8, 2020 02:18
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Ardennes posted:It is so much easier to write something safe and drink a bottle of wine in your garden.
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Jul 8, 2020 02:19
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the 70s seemed pretty radical compared to the following decades. i've been going through and reading old U.S. maoist papers from then on marxists.org and it's wild to see how many of these groups existed, and how optimistic they were The 1970s were also a period de-radicalization and growing reactionism. It was a bit of a last hurray well until recently (2020 is going to be a historically significant year one way or another).
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the 1970s are fascinating to me. came across this video of the 1980 presidonkle campaign and there's a part where some communists show up trying to disrupt a carter event and get dragged off. i'm guessing... maoists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAnOoP3Obu0&t=63s
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the 70s seemed pretty radical compared to the following decades. i've been going through and reading old U.S. maoist papers from then on marxists.org and it's wild to see how many of these groups existed, and how optimistic they were You get that in present-day Maoism too though. Actually this vicious, acrimonious split is a step toward the inevitable success of global protracted people's war, etc. etc.
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Jul 8, 2020 03:45
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Mr. Lobe posted:Nonsense, that money theoretically helps to keep the lights on here, it's not like it was donated to the Sanders campaign or something This post did not age well AT ALL.
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Jul 8, 2020 07:00
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if you ever laughed at doom house you're cancelled
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NaanViolence posted:This post did not age well AT ALL. oof
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Jul 8, 2020 07:35
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:sanders: :sandersin: :sandersget: :sandersbux: :sanderswin:
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Algund Eenboom posted::sanders: :sandersin: :sandersget: :sandersbux: :sanderswin: rip lol
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This was posted around ten pages back as a resource that supposedly tells the truth about Tienanmen Square but...do not treat this source as credible. The Xinjiang/Uighur article is 100% propaganda bullshit and the rest of the site is most likely the same.
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Algund Eenboom posted::panders: :pandersin: :pandersget: :pandersbux: :panderswin:
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https://twitter.com/karl_was_right/status/1280568271872221184?s=21
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I want web design as brutalist as commie blocks, thats the mark of quality
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Peanut President posted:I want web design as brutalist as commie blocks, thats the mark of quality 
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why does upstate new york have so many commies
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Atrocious Joe posted:why does upstate new york have so many commies We have nothing else to do during the 6 month long winters other than reading theory.
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1280508025502085121?s=20 https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1280946644142325760?s=20 you all ready for Red Scare 3
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Lumpy posted:We have nothing else to do during the 6 month long winters other than reading theory. by that logic canada should be full of commies, instead we have petersons and molyneuxs
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Atrocious Joe posted:you all ready for Red Scare 3 Buy your communist author books now before they’re banned.
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Dreylad posted:by that logic canada should be full of commies, instead we have petersons and molyneuxs You guys have curling and decent beer. Why that gives you Peterson’s and Molyneuxs .... 
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https://twitter.com/sarma_aalia/status/1280977931091750915?s=21 🧠
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Jesus
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I didn’t click through to see if they’re an irony account or something so it’s possible I am Getting Owned
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