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BBJoey posted:if only our political opponents did not hone in on our candidate's obvious weakness, we would have won. i declare foul play What weakness? Corbyn did not cause Brexit, so it would have been hard for the right to go after him for it, and as I remember, attempts to go "well, if it was not for Labour we would not need Brexit" flopped pretty bad early on. Corbyn was not in power, so they can't really attack him for his "handling" of Brexit either. It's a hot potato, and one that the Tories were stuck with until Corbyns own party manufactured the "Corbyn is flip-floppy on Brexit / should we have a second referendum?" narrative. I think it's fair to declare foul play over that kind of back-stabbery, even if forces in your own party does in this case constitute "political opponents".
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BBJoey posted:if only our political opponents did not hone in on our candidate's obvious weakness, we would have won. i declare foul play The point is Corbyn's weakness was the entire party's weakness and you're fooling yourself if you think once the culture war went critical from 2018 onwards there was any course of action Corbyn could have taken that would have been acceptable to a sufficient number of leavers and remainers to win an election based on brexit. That aside Corbyn still should be purged the hard right of the party and ensured the democratic selection of parliamentary candidates was introduced, but that would not have won him 2019 even if it would have left us in a better position now
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I absolutely cannot claim to know anything about UK politics but from an outside observer it appears that your Conservative party had basically steered the country towards Brexit, making what was essentially an impossible to manage situation, and then spent all of the time leading up to Brexit calling Corbyn anti Semitic. It just looked like every system was in place to totally ratfuck him, and it worked.
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Bust Rodd posted:I absolutely cannot claim to know anything about UK politics but from an outside observer it appears that your Conservative party had basically steered the country towards Brexit, making what was essentially an impossible to manage situation, and then spent all of the time leading up to Brexit calling Corbyn anti Semitic. It just looked like every system was in place to totally ratfuck him, and it worked. This is the long and the short of it, the only bit that's missing is the massive campaign between the Labour Right and 'pro-remain' groups to convince every liberal and remain voter in the country that Corbyn secretly wanted to do Brexit and who continually moved their goalposts no matter how much Labour changed its position to accommodate them and all of whom immediately stopped caring about Brexit the moment Corbyn was out and we had a nice sensible former director of public prosecutions in as leader instead.
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It just strikes me a lot as the exact same neo-lib tut-tutting we had here. “Look we acknowledge that the entire political structure of our country coagulated into a single democratic machine hellbent on destroying Bernie and the largest grassroots movement in our nation’s history, and we will resort to bribery, fraud, voter suppression, and even holding an election during a plague virus and insisting that old people go out and get COVID and die so that Bernie literally must drop out of the race or risk the lives of his voters... but the REAL problem was that he didn’t campaign hard enough for black people!”
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The post-election issues polling has indicated that Labour were completely hosed no matter what. For whatever reason, a huge swathe of their traditional base (mostly northern, working class voters) is obsessively, militantly committed to Brexit happening to the exclusion of literally all other issues. There was no way of appeasing them without taking a firm pro-Brexit stance and completely alienating all the liberal types the party also needs who are equally as opposed to Brexit. The only chance was if they could make the election about something other than Brexit in the minds of voters, which they did very effectively in 2017 but really failed on in 2019. There was no possible compromise position other than getting people to forget about the issue a bit.
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It's only one of the many reasons why liberal democracy won't ever work, but the infiltration and co-option of left/labor/opposition parties in both the US and in Europe is pretty blatant. If the right cannot win it's a simple matter to just have your people on the other side lose.
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a cyberpunk goose posted:Which is this? 21 https://soundcloud.com/episode-one-868768631/e1-a-novel-podcast-academia-in-repose-21
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peanut- posted:The post-election issues polling has indicated that Labour were completely hosed no matter what. For whatever reason, a huge swathe of their traditional base (mostly northern, working class voters) is obsessively, militantly committed to Brexit happening to the exclusion of literally all other issues. There was no way of appeasing them without taking a firm pro-Brexit stance and completely alienating all the liberal types the party also needs who are equally as opposed to Brexit. Having a huge part of the party actively campaigning for the other largest party in the election sure didn't help.
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Bust Rodd posted:This was really cool and a good listen
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thotsky posted:What weakness? Corbyn did not cause Brexit, so it would have been hard for the right to go after him for it, and as I remember, attempts to go "well, if it was not for Labour we would not need Brexit" flopped pretty bad early on. Corbyn was not in power, so they can't really attack him for his "handling" of Brexit either. It's a hot potato, and one that the Tories were stuck with until Corbyns own party manufactured the "Corbyn is flip-floppy on Brexit / should we have a second referendum?" narrative. I think it's fair to declare foul play over that kind of back-stabbery, even if forces in your own party does in this case constitute "political opponents". you’re right that brexit was an issue entirely manufactured by the Tories, but that does not obviate Corbyn of the need to address it. the material reality is that Boris could lay out a clear path for Brexit, notwithstanding whether that path bore any resemblance to reality, because that doesn’t matter in an election. even assuming that the blairites shut up and got out of the way, Corbyn’s vague stance was never going to satisfy enough people to get a Labour victory. to address multijoe’s post I’m in complete agreement that the election was a lost cause for Labour, regardless of the leader. the point is that the election wasn’t lost because of blairite traitors, though obviously they didn’t help. Brexit was simply an issue that catastrophically split the base Labour would need to get to win the election, and no amount of clever strategy could have overcome that.
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the first E1 episode I listened to was the mech anime episode  red camaro poster is essential imo especially if you like YKS
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WoodrowSkillson posted:if you listen to chapo and not yks wtf is wrong with you YKS isn't Chapo. The people who listen to it do so because they like Chapo. It might appeal to different listeners in different ways so they won't like the same other podcasts which have some Chapo features. Some listeners might like it for the same reasons but their tastes don't overlap outside of that, so they won't agree on non-Chapo podcasts. Maybe they already listen to a bunch of podcasts so they aren't interested in trying a new one. Maybe Chapo is enough of that kind of thing, so they want the other podcasts they listen to to be different.
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I googled yks podcast. Are you talking about your kickstarter sucks?
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Is YKS actually about discussing bad Kickstarters? It sounds like another invitation to let online drama poo poo directly into my brain.
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Halloween Jack posted:Is YKS actually about discussing bad Kickstarters? It sounds like another invitation to let online drama poo poo directly into my brain. yes, the show is them discussing 6 bad kickstarters and mocking them. before and in between there is just a ton of banter between the hosts about whatever the gently caress they want to talk about. the only drama is things like JF harassing the standupshots subreddit  
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Not sure if this is the place for this but apparently people seem to think Ghislaine was one of the top moderators on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhill_the_reddit_account_with_the_8th_most/
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Puppy Galaxy posted:Not sure if this is the place for this but apparently people seem to think Ghislaine was one of the top moderators on reddit It is probably true. It has the feel of the stupid naked truth we live in.
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Gripweed posted:YKS isn't Chapo. The people who listen to it do so because they like Chapo. It might appeal to different listeners in different ways so they won't like the same other podcasts which have some Chapo features. Some listeners might like it for the same reasons but their tastes don't overlap outside of that, so they won't agree on non-Chapo podcasts. Maybe they already listen to a bunch of podcasts so they aren't interested in trying a new one. Maybe Chapo is enough of that kind of thing, so they want the other podcasts they listen to to be different. Does anyone on chapo have their own theme song? Checkmate.
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Fsmhunk posted:Does anyone on chapo have their own theme song? Checkmate. Yes, but the guy who made the Camptown Races/Butterfly mashup deleted the tweet so it's gone forever
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Halloween Jack posted:Is YKS actually about discussing bad Kickstarters? It sounds like another invitation to let online drama poo poo directly into my brain. It's an excellent podcast, and both hosts are funny as hell. And dogboner used to post on SA! 
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Gripweed posted:Yes, but the guy who made the Camptown Races/Butterfly mashup deleted the tweet so it's gone forever They actually played the song at one of their spring live shows so it’s available on one of those eps, don’t remember how much of it though
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https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1280940310349131776?s=20 That would be a great make-work agency
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Fame Douglas posted:"The EU is stopping us from going full socialist and we need to leave it to realize the dream for the UK" was, quite frankly, always a ridiculous position for Corbyn to have. The UK has been very right-wing for decades and one of the most conservative forces in the EU. a lot less ridiculous than "hey remember that big vote the country had in 2016? SIKE!!!!!!" which is what all the people's vote bullshit actually boils down to
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who has the better patereon stuff, E1 or YKS, I'm not made of podcast dollars here
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miniscule12 posted:Latest chapo is very solid. checked the pod save america subreddit and sure enough the consensus opinion there is "sure these guys were architects of the iraq war but if trump got mad at them one time then everything balances out and they're a valuable asset to the Biden Campaign".
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little munchkin posted:checked the pod save america subreddit and sure enough the consensus opinion there is "sure these guys were architects of the iraq war but if trump got mad at them one time then everything balances out and they're a valuable asset to the Biden Campaign". psychopaths moral degenerates what inhabits that space in their soul where a sense of decency would otherwise be found?
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Mr. Lobe posted:psychopaths a big sack with a dollar sign
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Mr. Lobe posted:psychopaths the psa sub is uniquely psychotic. it's a pity they didn't get banned along with the chapo sub but psa posters don't have the empathy required to get pleasure from sending death threats
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Djo they have episodes about carebears? EDIT: Ignore this post please
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