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flashy_mcflash posted:I get it (though it's still very gross) in the cases of Riddle and Ospreay but what access is he preserving by he and Bryan caping for Cornette here? The actual Observer article lays out pretty clearly why he is skeptical of the Cornette accusations, because he and Bryan spoke to many people close to OVW and no one they spoke to would back up the story or provides similar stories. I believe the Cornette accusations, and don't even think the quid pro quo is relevant to why it is unethical but Bryan especially knows a lot of people who were involved in OVW at every level, and Bryan's sources had the same conclusion. As for Riddle I sent Dave and Bryan an email why I did not think this coverage was proper and received a response from Dave where I can see his side, and will at least read the story in the next Observer and wait for his response to my reply that he needs to look at the situation again and how his attempt to be objective is in fact causing him to not be objective. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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Its absolutely zero excuse, but it's a bummer that Dave doesn't address certain topics with an idea of "I am out of my element and don't know how to comment", instead of his 3am stream-of-consciousness ramblings which we get.
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MassRafTer posted:The actual Observer article lays out pretty clearly why he is skeptical of the Cornette accusations, because he and Bryan spoke to many people close to OVW and no one they spoke to would back up the story or provides similar stories. I believe the Cornette accusations, but Bryan especially knows a lot of people who were involved in OVW at every level, and Bryan's sources had the same conclusion. I'd heard that on the WOR where they talked about the Cornette stuff and the conclusion I came away with was that the folks they talked to probably wouldn't confirm the accusations to Bryan even if they could. It also might not be something that most people had evidence of outside of rumours, as the victims would've been afraid to come forward. For me it's just grating the amount of time/ink they spend on trying to poke holes in a story of this kind when sexual assault accusations are so hard to prove to begin with. But I'd be interested to know what he says about the other cases.
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MassRafTer posted:As for Riddle I sent Dave and Bryan an email why I did not think this coverage was proper and received a response from Dave where I can see his side, and will at least read the story in the next Observer and wait for his response to my reply that he needs to look at the situation again and how his attempt to be objective is in fact causing him to not be objective. Thank you for saying something to them
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flashy_mcflash posted:I'd heard that on the WOR where they talked about the Cornette stuff and the conclusion I came away with was that the folks they talked to probably wouldn't confirm the accusations to Bryan even if they could. It also might not be something that most people had evidence of outside of rumours, as the victims would've been afraid to come forward. The second Speaking Out Observer feature is really in depth and I think shows that a lot of care was done to try and cover the story rather than poke holes in stories. It's not even the "objectivity" he does on the podcast where he tries to see (or argue) both sides, but he does really seem to be trying to cover this in depth. Anyway we'll see if he reads the second email as it was much longer than the first, but the first was a lot more confrontational in tone and he read it and responded so we'll see.
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And at this time it is important to promote another wrestling podcaster who does good posts. https://twitter.com/mitchellpwtorch/status/1280606979472478212
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flashy_mcflash posted:Frankly, those examples invalidate whatever else he's said on the subject because he's clearly playing favourites on this issue. I know we joke about beep boop robot Dave, but that was just... what the gently caress, dude.
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Has Bryan ever seen an episode of BTE? Dave always asks him and he always says no, then he recaps it while Bryan sounds like he couldn't care less.
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Bryan doesnt even watch Dark I think, he's of the view that if it isn't on TV it doesn't exist and by design should not be important as the things that are the best and should be important should be put on television.
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Lid posted:Bryan doesnt even watch Dark I think, he's of the view that if it isn't on TV it doesn't exist and by design should not be important as the things that are the best and should be important should be put on television. Bryan has a lot of "Of course its the best, it was the most expensive one!" energy.
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does, does bryan know hes not on tv? does bryan know by his own rules he set out nobody should ever watch bryan and vinny? is he aware of this
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He means specifically in a wrestling format with a television deal. If it was internet only he'd watch it on the internet only but when you're on TNT the good stuff should also be on TNT. They do have a point in that they do assume too much that people watch everything and that they should air the good stuff on TV, which is an argument we level against WWE a lot because a lot of their best stuff was in things people never even saw as they were obscure on their youtube page interviews with people cutting off the cuff good promos. It's a legitimate view and perspective, and like how Dynamite has started the ticker of AEW Dark results is a reply to it that has even here been applauded because it means "hey if you didnt watch this show heres things that happened to be aware of".
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Incessant Excess posted:Has Bryan ever seen an episode of BTE? Dave always asks him and he always says no, then he recaps it while Bryan sounds like he couldn't care less. Listening to Dave totally butcher the jokes on BTE while recapping it to a completely checked out Bryan is one of my favorite recurring WOR bits
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OctoberCountry posted:Listening to Dave totally butcher the jokes on BTE while recapping it to a completely checked out Bryan is one of my favorite recurring WOR bits It rules. 
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yeah, seems pretty obvious to me. dark is not watched by nearly as many people as dynamite, and it's absolutely the less important show.
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It’s also worth remembering that Bryan has two young kids and is already watching raw, smackdown, dynamite, NXT, retro raw/SD, and SNME every week. I wouldn’t bother watching supplemental poo poo either.
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Incessant Excess posted:Has Bryan ever seen an episode of BTE? Dave always asks him and he always says no, then he recaps it while Bryan sounds like he couldn't care less. This is 90% of WOR as a whole. OctoberCountry posted:Listening to Dave totally butcher the jokes on BTE while recapping it to a completely checked out Bryan is one of my favorite recurring WOR bits Also this. Dave has incredible "The Chris Farley Show" energy but it's 100% unintentional.
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Lid posted:Bryan doesnt even watch Dark I think, he's of the view that if it isn't on TV it doesn't exist and by design should not be important as the things that are the best and should be important should be put on television. I love AEW more than I like most people and I've never watched a full episode of Dark. I'll watch BTE fairly regularly and I'll watch Road Tos sometimes (I should watch Road Tos more often, they're usually home runs), but like. Dynamite gets me my fill. I'm always extremely satisfied each Wednesday at 10 PM, I don't need to dilute that feeling with more.
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I watch dark most weeks but I watch while doing stuff unless there is a specific match I want to pay attention to. AEW on Wednesdays gets my full attention.
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I wish I found BTE half as funny as Dave does.
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BTE is extremely taste-dependent and even if you like that kind of humor, it's still super hit or miss, but there's usually at least a couple things worth watching every week. It's actually done a lot to add extra little bits of context to Hangman's character and right now, Dark Order is incredible.
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I rarely watch Dark because it comes out on Tuesday and is largely irrelevant by Wednesday. If they released it on Saturday or Sunday I’d be much more likely to watch it.
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MJeff posted:BTE is extremely taste-dependent and even if you like that kind of humor, it's still super hit or miss, but there's usually at least a couple things worth watching every week. It's actually done a lot to add extra little bits of context to Hangman's character and right now, Dark Order is incredible. Yeah even if I do watch it it's mostly for Best Friends bits and Hangman. Hangman has really good delivery, which even though I'm really not interested in most of the Kenny/Bucks stuff helps a lot. He's a pretty good actor and could probably be a really good one if he wanted to do that.
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To me William Regal is a Hall of Famer, his tenure and legacy are beyond repute as well as how much he was just such a great worker for so long. This brings up I never thought to check what Meltzer said about Regal working until now: http://www.profightdb.com/wrestler-star-ratings/william-regal-316.html Jesus, if you didn't know William Regal you would have him on the same tier as god knows how many people. He looks so... underwhelming... mapped out like this. Am I mad for thinking Regal is a Hall of Famer considering well we know he never popped a buyrate, he wasnt a big draw, but as a pure wrestler as you want to be and emulate he's had one of the longest shadows in modern professional wrestling alongside like Ultimo Dragon.
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Lid posted:To me William Regal is a Hall of Famer, his tenure and legacy are beyond repute as well as how much he was just such a great worker for so long. This brings up I never thought to check what Meltzer said about Regal working until now: If Regal were at his peak that entire period, yeah, but he sabotaged his own career multiple times, and he wasn't a good enough worker to make up for that.
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When Regal was on he did put on some Hall of Fame matches but due to injuries/personal demons he just doesn't have enough to get in on Work Rate alone and as you said he's not going to get in as a draw.
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Super No Vacancy posted:regal has done more harm to pro wrestling than good Hmm. Yes, speak on that....
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Regal recruits people for WWE and he's extremely good at it.
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Hmm. Yes, speak on that.... He and Trips have been trying to strip the Indies of stars for years and then mothball them in NXT. He's absolutely done more harm than good to wrestling as a whole thanks to what he's done over the last 6-7 years.
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BTE is unwatchable, Chico has the right idea he already has to watch WWE every week, let's not torture him more
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Hmm. Yes, speak on that.... He was the Crossroads demon at PWG for like seven years, getting talent to sell their futures to him.
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Karmine posted:It’s also worth remembering that Bryan has two young kids and is already watching raw, smackdown, dynamite, NXT, retro raw/SD, and SNME every week. I wouldn’t bother watching supplemental poo poo either. Yep. He’s probably pushing 30-35 hours per week just on the major shows he watches and actively being on air. That says nothing of actual running a small business, tech support for all his co-hosts, social media marketing, etc. Bryan is extremely efficient with his time if he’s getting everything done in a 60 hour week. Don’t blame him for skipping the YouTube bullshit shows.
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Regal probably knew the exact pressure points to hit in the UK to destroy that scene as well.
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I Before E posted:He was the Crossroads demon at PWG for like seven years, getting talent to sell their futures to him. I could swear that I've read somewhere that he pitches to talent that they should sign with WWE when they're ready to wrap up their careers or something like that.
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daniel bryan said in his book that regal told him your wrestling career ends when you sign and from now on you’ll be doing a parody of it lol
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Funny thing is Regal has recommended New Japan over NXT as the place to actually learn how to work
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Funny thing is Regal has recommended New Japan over NXT as the place to actually learn how to work Didn't he get Juice into the dojo? Or was that Albert? I know Regal is why Liger did that one Takeover, I assume they know each other from Liger's excursion here.
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