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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Please train the Markov bot on the ukmt posts

justcola posted:

Nein, ich sagte hast du ein Feuerzeug?

Yes!




Nandos cat

baka kaba fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jul 8, 2020

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

justcola posted:

Are we still getting £500 to spend at local shops or has that been doubled and gone to businesses. I'm guessing they meant 1k per employee - must be some fun conversations about 'where's my half then?'

the £10 at restaurants (£130 if you go every day, £260 if lunch and dinner) is closer to a replacement for the floated £500 shopping vouchers. it exists to encourage people to get out and spend.
furlough bonus is targeted for entirely different effect. to ease the number of redundancies from coming in a sudden great wave.

limiting the spend to hospitality rather than the high st more generally makes me wonder something. if part of the calculation here is that high st shops aren't saveable. they've already lost the fight to internet shopping and aren't coming back. but hospitality - going out to socialise - isn't something you can buy off Amazon. hence targeting that sector to save.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

goddamnedtwisto posted:

UKMT.csv update:



Spot the happenings! Most surprising thing for me is that I thought that this thread was getting less busy, not more, but there's a pretty clear inflation going on here. Because I can't work out how to make the dates readable, the peaks in order are 2010 GE, January 2012 (no idea what was happening then, might go back and have a dig), 2013 locals, 2015 leadership election, and you can probably guess from there.

e: Wait that last, biggest peak is December *2018*, December 2019 is the last, truncated peak - presumably Brexit shenanigans?

I am guessing that 2014 onward is the latter half of the graph, which is when I started posting, so the latter half being bigger than the former half might be mostly my terrible posting :v:

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

UKMT.csv update:



Spot the happenings! Most surprising thing for me is that I thought that this thread was getting less busy, not more, but there's a pretty clear inflation going on here. Because I can't work out how to make the dates readable, the peaks in order are 2010 GE, January 2012 (no idea what was happening then, might go back and have a dig), 2013 locals, 2015 leadership election, and you can probably guess from there.

e: Wait that last, biggest peak is December *2018*, December 2019 is the last, truncated peak - presumably Brexit shenanigans?
ee: Somehow it's combined December 2018 and January 2019, how did this get here i am not good with computer

How have you formatted your horizontal axis? You can change the number of days between labels - perhaps just months & years?- and also you can format it to post the labels vertically (dangling down) instead of running into each other horizontally.

Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

feedmegin posted:

Moved to the US to marry my US citizen wife back in the day and we had to get her parents to do this because she didn't have a job - https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-processes-and-procedures/affidavit-support

It's a thing.

Well we both had jobs in the UK when we applied but nothing in the US. Maybe that counted, idk.

E: oh, wait, looking at the form I think it was because I bought a house here before moving and that counted as enough assets that we didn't need the income.

Unkempt fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jul 8, 2020

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

I am guessing that 2014 onward is the latter half of the graph, which is when I started posting, so the latter half being bigger than the former half might be mostly my terrible posting :v:

Lol one of the visualisations I have planned is the rise and fall of various posters as a function of their percentage of all the posts in the month, so we'll see.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

How have you formatted your horizontal axis? You can change the number of days between labels - perhaps just months & years?- and also you can format it to post the labels vertically (dangling down) instead of running into each other horizontally.

I'm using Python's mathlib because I can just about makenumbers add up in a column in Excel and manipulating this much poorly-formatted data is giving it severe indigestions, this is pretty much a Hello World attempt as can be seen by the fact I forgot months have different amounts of days in them hence the occasional double-counts. Sorting out the formatting is next on the list once I pass the threshold of pasting random poo poo in from Stackoverflow until it works and actually understand what I'm doing.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Lol one of the visualisations I have planned is the rise and fall of various posters as a function of their percentage of all the posts in the month, so we'll see.

Oh dear.

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

OwlFancier posted:

I am guessing that 2014 onward is the latter half of the graph, which is when I started posting, so the latter half being bigger than the former half might be mostly my terrible posting :v:

It seems the all-time low point was just after the 2010 election, a decade ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNYTI5qXtM

:justpost:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

justcola posted:

It seems the all-time low point was just after the 2010 election, a decade ago.
As above, so below.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

The Question IRL posted:

She has been arrested and is being charged with pretty nebulous offences at this point.

she joined islamic state didn't she

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Guavanaut posted:

Do not, and I cannot stress this enough, go with the obvious candidate.


Oh my goodness this is perfect. Going to print this out & use it as wallpaper. Or I would if I was less lazy.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

goddamnedtwisto posted:

As I was teaching myself Python anyway, when the forums had their bit of a wobble I decided to take a mirror of all of the iterations of this thread. Now I have 3 gigs of raw backups plus this distillation of their contents. A couple of quick bits of trivia I've gleaned from 833,430 posts:

Out of curiosity, what did you use to crawl all the threads? Is there a "standard" way of doing it or anything?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe


Slightly less hosed version.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
that GE thread is an all time banger and if anything I wish I was more obnoxiously optimistic in the month leading up

e; visualising the massive right-wing exodus after hundreds of pages of gloating will be fun

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Unkempt posted:

E: oh, wait, looking at the form I think it was because I bought a house here before moving and that counted as enough assets that we didn't need the income.

That sort of thing does tend to help.

Now would you come stand over here comrade please, you'll find the brickwork delightfully shady, and would you prefer Camels or Woodbines...?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

jaete posted:

Out of curiosity, what did you use to crawl all the threads? Is there a "standard" way of doing it or anything?

I used Selenium and Chrome to do the actual crawling (so I could do it logged in and with ads blocked, as the ads slow everything down and I wanted to make sure to get all the swearwords), and BeautifulSoup to parse the HTML I actually did it in two steps, ripping all the pages to local copies then parsing them to build the csv, just so if I hosed something up I didn't have to leave it crawling overnight again. Being an experienced idiot certainly helps here. Pesky Splinter's list of historical threads (link in OP) provided the actual list of threads.

I've now punted all the data into an SQLite database for ease of searching, but it's hella unoptimised at the moment (generating that graph takes about 10 minutes even though it's a really simple query) so I want to work on fixing that first.

The more "correct" way to do the crawling would have been curl or Python's inbuilt libraries (that's what I used for my first project, something to replace the rather creaky Powershell script I was using to grab podcasts), but again life's too short.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

gh0stpinballa posted:

she joined islamic state didn't she

So that's where a lot of the legal argument will lie.
What does "joining IS" entail?
It's not like there is a formal group with membership numbers and cards. And if there was, good luck finding said booms in Syria.

Now even if they were able to do a reverse burden of proof (which to be fair does exist for offences under the OASA ) that she'd have to prove she wasnt a member, she has a very good arguable case which was she didn't know what going over to Syria would entail. And when she got there she didn't realise that you either marry an IS fighter and become his Jihadist bride, or you get shot.

I also imagine that a lot of argument will turn on is there evidence that she was providing material assistance to IS (in the form of training recruits with secrets she learned in the Irish Army*) or was she just over there.


* = I get the feeling this is a load of bollocks. No offense to our Defense Forces who do a good job not being a colonial army instead focusing on peace keeping. But I don't imagine they know any super secret martial arts that would destabilise the world if they got out.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/JoeFHarrigan/status/1280965218848423939

IDGAF if this adds to the "Twitter post with minimal commentary" count.

Pencils R Cool
Feb 16, 2011
Does Rishi Sunak model his way of speaking after Big Tech Wankers? Everytime he drops a "we're doing something no government has ever done before" or "what we're doing is unprecedented in modern times" I envision an alternate reality where he's on stage at E3 talking about Fable 4's real-time making GBS threads mechanics and how "no video game in history has ever attempted something so bold".

kyojin
Jun 15, 2005

I MASHED THE KEYS AND LOOK WHAT I MADE

Pencils R Cool posted:

Does Rishi Sunak model his way of speaking after Big Tech Wankers? Everytime he drops a "we're doing something no government has ever done before" or "what we're doing is unprecedented in modern times" I envision an alternate reality where he's on stage at E3 talking about Fable 4's real-time making GBS threads mechanics and how "no video game in history has ever attempted something so bold".

Speech patterns of extreme narcissists

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm not sure if that's a harsher criticism of sunak or peter molyneaux.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeFHarrigan/status/1280965218848423939

IDGAF if this adds to the "Twitter post with minimal commentary" count.
Mac to design 'virtual Irishman' to be target of abuse.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Pencils R Cool posted:

Does Rishi Sunak model his way of speaking after Big Tech Wankers? Everytime he drops a "we're doing something no government has ever done before" or "what we're doing is unprecedented in modern times" I envision an alternate reality where he's on stage at E3 talking about Fable 4's real-time making GBS threads mechanics and how "no video game in history has ever attempted something so bold".

we're in trumpworld now

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
loving lol when liz truss is the voice of reason

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/08/liz-truss-warns-boris-johnson-over-brexit-border-plans

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

The Question IRL posted:

So that's where a lot of the legal argument will lie.
What does "joining IS" entail?
It's not like there is a formal group with membership numbers and cards. And if there was, good luck finding said booms in Syria.

Now even if they were able to do a reverse burden of proof (which to be fair does exist for offences under the OASA ) that she'd have to prove she wasnt a member, she has a very good arguable case which was she didn't know what going over to Syria would entail. And when she got there she didn't realise that you either marry an IS fighter and become his Jihadist bride, or you get shot.

I also imagine that a lot of argument will turn on is there evidence that she was providing material assistance to IS (in the form of training recruits with secrets she learned in the Irish Army*) or was she just over there.


* = I get the feeling this is a load of bollocks. No offense to our Defense Forces who do a good job not being a colonial army instead focusing on peace keeping. But I don't imagine they know any super secret martial arts that would destabilise the world if they got out.

You might be surprised at the formal organisation of ISIS. I posted a couple of months ago links to documents that had been found in Al Qaeda locations with application forms, receipts from the local supermarket and all sorts. I know ISIS aren't the same as Al Qaeda but there's probably some sort of 'business school' organisation there.

Irish Martial Arts: I'm surprised they use arms to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKGLdS-IYs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7tb1Y6fAg

(of course, they could just force enemies to watch Riverdance instead).

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jul 8, 2020

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Lol one of the visualisations I have planned is the rise and fall of various posters as a function of their percentage of all the posts in the month, so we'll see.

Request: average characters per post, broken down by poster, and then the chart is formatted deliberately such that ronya is outside the boundary of the chart

Dogatron
Jun 24, 2020

Chubby Henparty posted:

I would buy your eton meth

The DPRK
Nov 18, 2006

Lipstick Apathy
I read this today, in response to The Letter. Written by Mark Fisher way back in the before times (2013).
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

The DPRK posted:

I read this today, in response to The Letter. Written by Mark Fisher way back in the before times (2013).
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/

this written coincidentally before publication of the letter is good https://newrepublic.com/article/158346/willful-blindness-reactionary-liberalism

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Request: average characters per post, broken down by poster, and then the chart is formatted deliberately such that ronya is outside the boundary of the chart

I may have already considered this then remembered that I once wrote over a thousand words about the history of flags at football matches and put it to the back of the list.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Spangly A posted:

has anyone had the motivation to work out what the absolute best case outcome from the nec elections is, and what can actually be done with that? is labour now just centrist centralism: the party until a decent human being accidentally winds up leader again in 20 years?

If the current circumstance continues forever we're not going to get another decent human as leader ever, not 20 years from now not 160 years from now. Corbyn was a historical fluke that arose from the right of the party wanting to reduce union influence and accidently empowering the membership, that mistake won't be made again.

A supernaturally precient best case outcome for a good NEC result and what it could lead to is obviously impossible to predict, not sure what you're even asking for there honestly, but no-one here is an idiot, we know that surrendering Labour to the right means more pointless pain and makes the task of building socialism more difficult so who cares about that impossible data? What would the efficacy of it even be? loving vote for the leftiest loving slate available to hamper these disgusting cunts from stealing Labour it's not complicated.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

goddamnedtwisto posted:

UKMT.csv update:



It is a fun data set! I haven't even got into actually trying to look at word usage yet. Here is the (slightly illegible due to density of data) number of posts per day, showcasing the default formatting of R's ggplot2 package:



You can pinpoint the exact moment in December 2019 our hearts break in two

Fun facts:
-the longest ever post in these threads is Shakespearean Beef pasting timecube
-JFairfax has the most posts in these threads with probations (41) (pissflaps has a mere 31)
-From sometime in May 2014 to sometime in April 2015, everyone was very well behaved and nobody got probated or banned for UKMT posting at all. The most probations in one week came in the week beginning 22nd May 2017 (the run up to the 2017 GE) - 29 posts in one week. the surrounding weeks also had a fair amount of activity in this area.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Spangly A posted:

has anyone had the motivation to work out what the absolute best case outcome from the nec elections is, and what can actually be done with that? is labour now just centrist centralism: the party until a decent human being accidentally winds up leader again in 20 years?

it seems momentum came to their senses and its a unified left slate at least after this

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1280596251495419904?s=20

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Angepain posted:

It is a fun data set! I haven't even got into actually trying to look at word usage yet. Here is the (slightly illegible due to density of data) number of posts per day, showcasing the default formatting of R's ggplot2 package:



You can pinpoint the exact moment in December 2019 our hearts break in two

Fun facts:
-the longest ever post in these threads is Shakespearean Beef pasting timecube
-JFairfax has the most posts in these threads with probations (41) (pissflaps has a mere 31)
-From sometime in May 2014 to sometime in April 2015, everyone was very well behaved and nobody got probated or banned for UKMT posting at all. The most probations in one week came in the week beginning 22nd May 2017 (the run up to the 2017 GE) - 29 posts in one week. the surrounding weeks also had a fair amount of activity in this area.

Wow, people posted way less in the last election than they did in the prior three. It didn't feel that way at the time.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jose posted:

this written coincidentally before publication of the letter is good https://newrepublic.com/article/158346/willful-blindness-reactionary-liberalism

The complaint of media libs really does boil down to "Liberalism means I get use my wealth and social connections to broadcast the perfect vacuum that is the inside of my brain to everyone else and taking that right away from me is tyranny", it's purely a desire for a captive audience where they are forever on the stage and holding the microphone, so yeah, gently caress the lot of them, get on board or get in the bin, but in neither case should their positions afford them any consideration.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jul 8, 2020

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

stev posted:

Wow, people posted way less in the last election than they did in the prior three. It didn't feel that way at the time.

At a guess it might be because the (awful) result was known pretty much immediately at 10pm and there was little in the way of surprises after that. In 2015 and 2017 things were a lot closer, so people were probably posting longer into the night

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

stev posted:

Wow, people posted way less in the last election than they did in the prior three. It didn't feel that way at the time.

I'm willing to bet those spikes actually represent the day after the election as we TV/IVed the results - once the exit poll was in half the thread went to bed in 2019.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

OwlFancier posted:

The complaint of media libs really does boil down to "Liberalism means I get use my wealth and social connections to broadcast the perfect vacuum that is the inside of my brain to everyone else and taking that right away from me is tyranny", it's purely a desire for a captive audience where they are forever on the stage and holding the microphone, so yeah, gently caress the lot of them, get on board or get in the bin, but in neither case should their positions afford them any consideration.

they're really, genuinely upset that proles can tell them they suck poo poo on twitter

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Angepain posted:

It is a fun data set! I haven't even got into actually trying to look at word usage yet. Here is the (slightly illegible due to density of data) number of posts per day, showcasing the default formatting of R's ggplot2 package:



You can pinpoint the exact moment in December 2019 our hearts break in two

Fun facts:
-the longest ever post in these threads is Shakespearean Beef pasting timecube
-JFairfax has the most posts in these threads with probations (41) (pissflaps has a mere 31)
-From sometime in May 2014 to sometime in April 2015, everyone was very well behaved and nobody got probated or banned for UKMT posting at all. The most probations in one week came in the week beginning 22nd May 2017 (the run up to the 2017 GE) - 29 posts in one week. the surrounding weeks also had a fair amount of activity in this area.

Which reminds me, the data I gave you was missing the last two months - I'll send you an updated link.

Anybody else who fancies playing with it drop me a PM.

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Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism



goddamnedtwisto posted:

I'm willing to bet those spikes actually represent the day after the election as we TV/IVed the results - once the exit poll was in half the thread went to bed in 2019.

Some of us were busy livestreaming through that poo poo lmao.

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