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Dreylad posted:Don't give me hope. just click the climate thread and turn that smile upside down
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Giga Gaia posted:just click the climate thread and turn that smile upside down I'm aware, but those threads aren't healthy for most people.
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ToxicAcne posted:Is the petit bourgeois being in power a trump thing? I always thought that the petty boog were just a bunch of useful idiots for capital most of the time. In particular I thought they were the most enthusiastic supporters of capitalism. Yeah, Trump’s base is basically well-off people without college degrees. They’re all self-employed small business owners. They love capitalism, but also really don’t like taxes and are more nationalistic and white supremacist, etc. Big tech for instance, doesn’t really care if taxes get raised a bit to fund something to keep the pitchforks away as long as they can keep the immigration tap open and the gov from getting to antsy about antitrust. Banks would be fine with an eviction moratorium as long as the Fed keeps that money printer a brrring. The owner of Big Johns Port-a-John Emporium doesn’t want any of those things, and in fact resents the big boys of capital for their preferential treatment. The thing is, the petty-bourgeoise make up a pretty small number both in absolute terms (relative to normal people) and in wealth (so actual power) so democratic governments have usually been able to relegate them to the right wing of the capitalist parties. But because the US has a bunch of stupid systems (federalism, representation based on geographic area, the Electoral college) that actually gives them undue power, that’s who’s in the drivers seat for now. At a certain point, if things get spicy enough BEFORE the election, I wouldn’t be surprised if you basically had CitiBank show up to the Republicans and tell them to fire out some stimulus checks or else the balloon will go up.
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I think there’s a real chance Trump gets 25thed by end of September. Not because I’m hopeful or whatever, but because this is going to get very, very bad, very fast, and it’s going to accelerate as more fuel is dumped onto the fire.
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Jul 8, 2020 23:37
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they sure deserved those bailouts lmao https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1280974958202630149?s=20
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Jul 8, 2020 23:42
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Why is federalism bad by the way? At least in Canada it basically allowed french Canadian culture to survive.
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It can’t respond to serious crises, at least in the American implementation. It worked in Yugoslavia as long as Tito was around and kind of worked in Austria-Hungary but unless you have numerous distinct ethnic populations at each other’s throats a central government makes far more sense.
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Numlock posted:The fall of the (western) Roman Empire Was a long gradual process of increasing decentralization and decline of institutions and their replacement by the Church and feudal systems. The archaelogy only supports that for Italy everywhere else in the west was apocalyptic bad over two generations.
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Admiral Ray posted:it took violent revolution/credible threats of violent revolution in the 1930s, they always forget to teach you about that part.
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ToxicAcne posted:Why is federalism bad by the way? At least in Canada it basically allowed french Canadian culture to survive. states not being able to deficit spend is a disaster when the fed gov is controlled by racist Nazis which happens all the time strangely
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ToxicAcne posted:Why is federalism bad by the way? At least in Canada it basically allowed french Canadian culture to survive. The provinces in Canada have way more power than American states do. The federal government can't pass anything that affects the province's powers outlined in the BNA Act (our original constitutional document) without unanimous or near unanimous consent from the provinces which is insanely difficult to do. Even our constitution has a notwithstanding clause that lets provinces ignore constitutional rights in order to enact the law (although that clause has limits, you can't deny people their democratic rights) In Canada it's cities that exist at the whims of the province and, at least in Ontario, aren't allowed to run deficits which is a loving disaster in the making, although not on the same scale as in the US.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:I think there’s a real chance Trump gets 25thed by end of September. I very much hope you're right but who the hell in his Cabinet is going to be on board with this?
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TheLemonOfIchabod posted:I very much hope you're right but who the hell in his Cabinet is going to be on board with this? I'd expect mass resignations if that happened, no one else would want to be left holding the bag.
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TheLemonOfIchabod posted:I very much hope you're right but who the hell in his Cabinet is going to be on board with this? lol it wouldn’t be a *good* thing. it’d be a panic move because society is breaking down and Donald’s too toxic. And, because of his history backstabbing or shorting literally every person who has ever entered his life, I don’t think anyone with power would be too bothered by the process. No one in the current government can resolve this, Democrat or Republican.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:I think there’s a real chance Trump gets 25thed by end of September. Would it even matter at this point? It's too little too late.
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Lacrosse posted:Would it even matter at this point? It's too little too late. It’d be a panic scapegoat move, not a planned way to circumvent his bungling of the crisis (because his bungling is a feature of the system, not his own failing).
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Guns N’ Roses, Pearl Jam, the Eagles, Green Day Among Bands Who Have Received PPP Loans
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I dunno I think things will somehow keep trucking along. The poor will be pushed aside and the rich will just keep moving forward. Americans are fine with "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must".
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Xeom posted:I dunno I think things will somehow keep trucking along. The poor will be pushed aside and the rich will just keep moving forward. My friend we just saw protests involving almost 10% of our population in the streets and evictions haven’t started, the real squeeze of unemployment is still held off by expanded UI, and covid deaths are picking up.
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comedyblissoption posted:Guns N’ Roses, Pearl Jam, the Eagles, Green Day Among Bands Who Have Received PPP Loans i hate the fuckin' eagles man
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comedyblissoption posted:Guns N’ Roses, Pearl Jam, the Eagles, Green Day Among Bands Who Have Received PPP Loans Gotta keep all those lovely bands going. Isn't green day Canadian wtf?
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comedyblissoption posted:Guns N’ Roses, Pearl Jam, the Eagles, Green Day Among Bands Who Have Received PPP Loans Green Day hurting their brand here, better be careful or they'll wind up feeling like an American idiot
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TeenageArchipelago posted:Green Day hurting their brand here, better be careful or they'll wind up feeling like an American idiot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN3KLL64mkI
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oxsnard posted:You'd have to have rules in place to prevent house hording/flipping by banks and REITs If they do anything about housing it'll be on behalf of banks and REITs. So lol rules limiting their behavior.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:My friend we just saw protests involving almost 10% of our population in the streets and evictions haven’t started, the real squeeze of unemployment is still held off by expanded UI, and covid deaths are picking up. I just don't see Americans coming together in that way. I think we will see most of the country fall into ruin and certain regions will be controlled by cartels and other criminal organizations. Only a few regions will be controlled by the rich and the hinterlands will just be feeding grounds for the warlords. They will find ways to work with them under the table and that will just be the new normal. Think Mexico and its cartels but even worse.
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Xeom posted:I just don't see Americans coming together in that way. I think we will see most of the country fall into ruin and certain regions will be controlled by cartels and other criminal organizations. Only a few regions will be controlled by the rich and the hinterlands will just be feeding grounds for the warlords. They will find ways to work with them under the table and that will just be the new normal. Think Mexico and its cartels but even worse. If it makes you feel any better, this alone would improve the vast majority of lives on this planet. Death to Great Satan.
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Xeom posted:I just don't see Americans coming together in that way. I think we will see most of the country fall into ruin and certain regions will be controlled by cartels and other criminal organizations. Only a few regions will be controlled by the rich and the hinterlands will just be feeding grounds for the warlords. They will find ways to work with them under the table and that will just be the new normal. Think Mexico and its cartels but even worse. they're called sheriffs
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Xeom posted:Gotta keep all those lovely bands going. Isn't green day Canadian wtf? Far as I knew, green day was from California. I really haven't given a poo poo about them since Insomniac though.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:My friend we just saw protests involving almost 10% of our population in the streets and evictions haven’t started, the real squeeze of unemployment is still held off by expanded UI, and covid deaths are picking up. now that u put it that way it kind of feels like our country failed us ???
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Xeom posted:Gotta keep all those lovely bands going. Isn't green day Canadian wtf? They’re from Berkeley, CAlifornia.
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gently caress COREY PERRY posted:huey long is one of the more fascinating americans of the 20th century His assassination is a big mess in general. There was a great OG Unsolved Mysteries episode on it. https://youtu.be/SRXnE_yrN40 The T. Harry Williams biography of Long is required reading for any American leftist imo. I think he's especially instructive when compared to socialists like Debs or Sincliar in terms of what you have to do to gain and hold power and also what kind of groundwork you have to lay down from within government to present a credible threat to the capitalist class. Long gets smeared as either a fascist-in-waiting or a herrenvolk democracy advocate, neither of which are true. Even left commentators whom I otherwise respect buy into those takes of Long but one look at his career in Louisiana and in the Senate disproves it.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:The T. Harry Williams biography of Long is required reading for any American leftist imo. I think he's especially instructive when compared to socialists like Debs or Sincliar in terms of what you have to do to gain and hold power and also what kind of groundwork you have to lay down from within government to present a credible threat to the capitalist class. Long gets smeared as either a fascist-in-waiting or a herrenvolk democracy advocate, neither of which are true. Even left commentators whom I otherwise respect buy into those takes of Long but one look at his career in Louisiana and in the Senate disproves it. Agreed 100%. I am sympathetic to some of the articles I've seen from (lib) historians who say that Williams kinda underplays how there were other progressive governors in Louisana before Long that helped lay the groundwork for his political agenda, but nonetheless it's a great bio. The other thing I'd add is that it also emphasizes the kind of backlash you're going to face from political institutions and parties as soon as you step into office and actually start changing things. Huey Long was impeached after one year of being governor, with state senators being bribed and wild charges being thrown around. But people buy into those charges too much and assume that his detractors were being honest both about Huey Long's "crimes" and that the system and other actors wouldn't be doing the exact same thing if they were in power. The guy was extremely ambitious but genuinely gave a poo poo about poor people. These aren't mutually exclusive qualities in a person. It also shows how ahead of his time in turns of communication technology Huey was, which helped, but I don't know if that's applicable these days. Too bad the rest of his family just rode on his coattails and didn't have much interest in his agenda. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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Xeom posted:I just don't see Americans coming together in that way. I think we will see most of the country fall into ruin and certain regions will be controlled by cartels and other criminal organizations. Only a few regions will be controlled by the rich and the hinterlands will just be feeding grounds for the warlords. They will find ways to work with them under the table and that will just be the new normal. Think Mexico and its cartels but even worse. I think this is pretty reasonable but how will cartels sustain themselves outside of the current black market system created by Uncle Satan's prohibition laws?
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don't you understand, human nature is fundamentally evil and uncooperative. i believe this wholeheartedly, which is why i post on this communist subforum
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i want everyone to pause and take a minute to reflect on the insane consolidation of wealth and capital that occurred in the wake of the 2008 crisis. now realize that the lack of policies to help keep people afloat on their mortgages or in their rentals is a deliberate strategy to squeeze everyone who doesn't have a mountain of cash to ride this out. the consolidation of wealth we're going to see over the next few years is going to make 2008 look like a trial run. lmao
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seems like maybe biting off a bit more than you can chew w.r.t. citizen response
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PIZZA.BAT posted:i want everyone to pause and take a minute to reflect on the insane consolidation of wealth and capital that occurred in the wake of the 2008 crisis. now realize that the lack of policies to help keep people afloat on their mortgages or in their rentals is a deliberate strategy to squeeze everyone who doesn't have a mountain of cash to ride this out. the consolidation of wealth we're going to see over the next few years is going to make 2008 look like a trial run. Weaponized debt is a prime way of consolidating land into the hands of an elite.
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