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I’m now imagining this dead incredibly 80s mall I saw in the suburbs of Chicago. Nearly all the shops but the big stores were gone, and the empty spaces were being used for things like yoga, photography studio, a crèche, etc.
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curiousTerminal posted:I just watched the episode where Archer yells at Tripp for having the audacity to try and help a sentient being realize that there's more to life than being a sex slave who is treated like a pet that you rape and I've decided that I actively dislike Captain Archer. Archer is the worrrrrst. Even ignoring that particular dumpster fire (but do not ignore that particular dumpster fire) his whole persona is basically "thinking things through for even a second = Vulcan oppression" and just stomping all over everything in the name of being human. With all the promo material it kind of feels like they wanted to go back to good ol' boy Kirk, only they thought Kirk boiled down to impulsive and xenophobic. Like how the JJ films boiled him down to cocky playboy.
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It was the 80s and malls were king. You're incredibly naive if you think a 1701-D mall would be anything other than Starcourt Mall in space.
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Jul 9, 2020 11:08
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Seemlar posted:It actually was - because the Shenzhou's bridge is on the underside of it's saucer section instead of on top they made it's bridge set elevated with an empty level underneath so they could do shots looking in through it's windows. So for the S31 ship they just opened it up downwards. One thing I absolutely love and am happy to be a big retcon is that bridge viewers are big windows with the ability to turn into a screen. In the Voyager rewatch Im doing it keeps standing out to me how small their main screen is, with bare walls either side.
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Same. I can't imagine being mad about that, it's a great and very logical evolution.Astroman posted:It was the 80s and malls were king. You're incredibly naive if you think a 1701-D mall would be anything other than Starcourt Mall in space. That's dead-on accurate. I bet if they'd had the studio space and budget there would be a massive open-air feel to a lot of their set design that would evoke the foodcourts of yesteryear, escalators and all. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that we haven't seen more of an "open floorplan" design creep into the movies and shows over the past decade. I'm sure it's still for budgetary reasons and ease of redress, but with the size of your average Starfleet vessel there's no real reason that everything's got to be narrow hallways.
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feedmyleg posted:but with the size of your average Starfleet vessel there's no real reason that everything's got to be narrow hallways. Starfleet eventually came back around on the thinking wrt open spaces and how utterly horrible they are to work in after the open floorplan led to World War 3, and now everyone is happy to get back to enclosed workspaces. 
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feedmyleg posted:Same. I can't imagine being mad about that, it's a great and very logical evolution. That original TNG two-level bridge concept was exactly that. Nice open plan, vertical space, etc. Plus that massive window  
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I always liked that Insurrection brought back the idea of the captain's chair becoming a captain's couch:
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Now I wish Zapp Brannigan had a captain's chaise lounge.
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Superior option: captain’s bath.
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The_Doctor posted:That original TNG two-level bridge concept was exactly that. Nice open plan, vertical space, etc. Plus that massive window I like this design a lot. The swoopy control console. The dude just chillin on a bench in front of the crew trying to do their job. The upper level and the conference table under it. The giant rear end wrap around display.
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Didn't see it here yet, but it was posted in the Discord: looks like Alexander Siddig is getting DS9 cast members together on Zoom and reprising their roles as a sort of half-roleplayed experience, based on some fan script that was written for the purpose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M44QMKWMxuQ It starts off a little cringey, but you eventually get over that because man it's good to hear those two getting back into character after over 20 years. Siddig in particular puts on the Bashir hat extremely naturally. Looks like it'll be a series of sorts too... at the end of the episode they tease that the next episode will have Cirroc Lofton joining in.
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Seemlar posted:It actually was - because the Shenzhou's bridge is on the underside of it's saucer section instead of on top they made it's bridge set elevated with an empty level underneath so they could do shots looking in through it's windows. So for the S31 ship they just opened it up downwards. Somehow I had never noticed the floor windows.
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Nullsmack posted:I like this design a lot. The swoopy control console. The dude just chillin on a bench in front of the crew trying to do their job. The upper level and the conference table under it. The giant rear end wrap around display. There were a few iterations on that: I remember a webcomic drew one:  My favourite part of the concept art is the giant wrap-around display, definitely.
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MikeJF posted:There were a few iterations on that: I remember a webcomic drew one: Is that trekcomic.com?
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Drone posted:Is that trekcomic.com? I think so? I don't read it, but I remember seeing that panel at one point.
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I've watched a little before but recently decided to watch ST:TAS and I'm surprised that it's actually pretty good. Some episodes of course are purely for kids but some are legit.
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curiousTerminal posted:I just watched the episode where Archer yells at Tripp for having the audacity to try and help a sentient being realize that there's more to life than being a sex slave who is treated like a pet that you rape and I've decided that I actively dislike Captain Archer. That's an easy one, Kirk is the best.
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Oh neat, Probert has an Artstation. Not much there now, but still. I love how advanced the D looks in silhouette compared to TOS when they're drawn side-by-side and the D is looming above it. It really does look generations ahead.  I like the curvy, thin helm/ops on the final bridge sketch. Oh, and the chairs at the back were meant to have little pop-up backrests! 
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Drone posted:Those ops/helm chairs look like the easiest thing to fall asleep in. I assume it was partly meant to be so that they didn't occlude the captain's view of the floor-ceiling screen as much. Maybe they should've just dropped them into a pit like Voyager did. Or it might've just been weird 80s ergonomic ideas.
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MikeJF posted:I love how advanced the D looks in silhouette compared to TOS when they're drawn side-by-side and the D is looming above it. It really does look generations ahead. Well  that's bad because it's only supposed to be the next generation!!!
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MikeJF posted:There were a few iterations on that: I remember a webcomic drew one: It'd be neat if there was something like that stage 9 recreation for things like this.
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I like the idea of a star trek mall. It could show how you can still enjoy shopping, if that's your thing, without capitalism and consumerism. Each shop would be there just to show stuff off. New fashion, furniture designs, games, art, food and drinks, etc. If you like it, just jot down the code to replicate your own at home!
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Drone posted:Didn't see it here yet, but it was posted in the Discord: looks like Alexander Siddig is getting DS9 cast members together on Zoom and reprising their roles as a sort of half-roleplayed experience, based on some fan script that was written for the purpose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M44QMKWMxuQ If they had just left out the Section 31 part it would have been better even though I don’t think post S7 Bashir would want to work for a “legit” intel service either after DS9. But at least it hasn’t overshadowed anything (yet) and mostly just serves to put Garak and Bashir on an equal footing. Don’t sit out on listening to this even if it does feel a little wanky. Turns out good professional actors can add a lot to fan fiction.
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Senator Vreenak: Well, Sisko, I made it- despite your directions. Captain Sisko: Ah. Senator Vreenak. Welcome. - I hope you're prepared for an unforgettable Holorecording of the Dominion conspiring against the Romulans. Senator Vreenak: Yeah. Captain Sisko: Oh, egads! My clandestine scheme is ruined. But what if....I were to purchase a forged Cardassian Datarod and disguise it as evidence of the Dominion planning to invade Romulus? Delightfully devilish, Sisko. *Deep Space Nine title intro* Senator Vreenak: Siskooooo! Captain Sisko: Senator, I was just- uh, just stretching my calves on the Promenade. Isometric exercise. Care to join me? Senator Vreenak: Why is Elim Garak coming out of your office, Sisko? Captain Sisko: Uh- Oh. That isn't Garak. It's a hologram. A hologram from the Holorecording I'm providing to you. Mmm. Holorecording. Captain Sisko: Whew. Superintendent, I hope you're ready for conscience shocking Genuine Cardassian Data rod. Senator Vreenak: I thought you said you were providing a Holorecording. Captain Sisko: Oh, no. I said Genuine Cardassian Data Rod. That's what I call Holorecordings. Senator Vreenak: You call Holorecordings Cardassian Data Rods? Captain Sisko: Yes. It's a regional dialect. Senator Vreenak: Uh-huh. Uh, what region? Captain Sisko: Uh, upstate Alpha Quadrant. Senator Vreenak: Really. Well, I'm from Romulus, and I've never heard anyone use the phrase "Genuine Cardassian Data Rod." Captain Sisko: Oh, not on Romulus. No. It's an Earth expression. Senator Vreenak: I see. You know, these data rods are quite similar to the ones Grathon Tolar has been forging. Captain Sisko: Oh, no. Patented Cardassian Proprietary Recording. Old family recipe. Senator Vreenak: For Data Rods. Captain Sisko: Yes. Senator Vreenak: Yes. And you call them genuine despite the fact that it is an obvious forgery. Captain Sisko: Ye- You know, the- One thing I should- - Excuse me for one second. Senator Vreenak: Of course. Captain Sisko: Oh well, that was wonderful. A good time was had by all. I'm pooped. Senator Vreenak: Yes. I should be- Good Lord! What is happening in there? *The Senators ship explodes* Elim Garak: A hidden bomb on his shuttle. Captain Sisko: Uh- a hidden bomb at this time of year? at this time of day? in the middle of a galaxy-spanning war? Elim Garak: Yes. Captain Sisko: May I report it? Elim Garak: No. Romulan Empire: Sisko! The Federation is baiting us into a war! Captain Sisko: No, Romulus. It's just the Cardassians and Dominion planning an invasion. Elim Garak: Well, Sisko, you are an odd fellow but I must say you falsify a good evidence. Romulan Empire: Help! Help! Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Senator Vreenak: Well, Sisko, I made it- despite your directions.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:I like the idea of a star trek mall. It could show how you can still enjoy shopping, if that's your thing, without capitalism and consumerism. Each shop would be there just to show stuff off. New fashion, furniture designs, games, art, food and drinks, etc. If you like it, just jot down the code to replicate your own at home! So....Ikea? !! THIS ITEM REPLICATES IN TWO BOXES !!
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Quick question partially because I'm doing a STA campaign and have never been clear on this. When ships are battling and confronting each other, generally how close are they actually? Like them being only like a hundred miles away or like the distance between the Earth and the Moon are seem equally valid.
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One of my favourite non-trek bridge designs is this concept for the Nostromo in Alien by Ron Cobb. It’s nicely asymmetrical and multi-level, and I love that windowed section. 
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Timeless Appeal posted:Quick question partially because I'm doing a STA campaign and have never been clear on this. When ships are battling and confronting each other, generally how close are they actually? In the shows? Ridiculously close most of the time. When Sisko and the Defiant bust out of the Dominion encirclement of Tain’s fleet, they start out 50 km away from the ship they’re targeting and open fire at 500 m. Granted they were trying to physically break through an enemy formation, but yeah, Trek battles take place at spitting distance in space terms.
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 The bow of the Enterprise is only like half a mile from the Cube. And there's no funky perspective at work here either. The Enterprise is about halfway up the Cube's side in other shots. That's like being one ship length away. Ships fought further apart in the Age of Sail.
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The Enterprise being 1000km away from the cube doesn't make for very compelling television.
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Only if you can't write and direct it well. There's no reason you have to have the Enterprise and a Romulan Warbird literally chest to chest like an angry manager and umpire screaming in each other's faces to articulate military conflict.
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The_Doctor posted:That original TNG two-level bridge concept was exactly that. Nice open plan, vertical space, etc. Plus that massive window Where's the wet bar?
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Sash! posted:Only if you can't write and direct it well. There's no reason you have to have the Enterprise and a Romulan Warbird literally chest to chest like an angry manager and umpire screaming in each other's faces to articulate military conflict. The Expanse did a pretty good job of depicting ships lurking with the menace at very long range.
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8one6 posted:VOY S4 e22 Unforgettable Hey, now! Osmium isn't that dense!
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MikeJF posted:Oh, and the chairs at the back were meant to have little pop-up backrests! They do have backrests, you can see it when Geordi is controlling Engineering functions from the bridge, or Data is at a science station.
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