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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Flynn case ain't over yet, Sullivan wants an en banc review :toot:

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1281305053878501377?s=19

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Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

How does this moron remember to breathe?


This is not at all what happened.

Seriously, it specifically applies to the Major Crime Act and nothing else (yet). It is an opening for more to be done, but as yet it's solely for the MCA.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

That Cohen stuff is dumb but very believable. Like the BTK guy getting caught as he was too cheap to buy a new floppy disk for taunting the police.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
Oh. Cool. Fauci is now saying 'Rather than think in terms of reverting back down to a complete shutdown, I would think we need to get the states pausing in their opening process'

After yesterday he said "states with a serious coronavirus problem should seriously look at shutting down"


Completely unrelated to big boy having a hissy fit I am sure.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


Palate cleanser from simpler times

https://twitter.com/GenePark/status/1281306805306642432?s=20

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Riot Carol Danvers posted:

Seriously, it specifically applies to the Major Crime Act and nothing else (yet). It is an opening for more to be done, but as yet it's solely for the MCA.

The MCA gives the Fed jurisdiction over Indians for some federal crimes. The MCA does not give the State of Oklahoma any jurisdiction over Indians for crimes in Indian Country. Currently nothing gives the State jurisdiction over Indians for crimes in Indian Country.

The tribe can ask to Fed to give Oklahoma concurrent jurisdiction, or Congress can declare that Oklahoma has concurrent jurisdiction, but neither of those things has happened.
I expect the tribe will ask that the state have concurrent jurisdiction because the alternative will cost them too much.

e:
Oklahoma, 5 Tribes press release on McGirt, Murphy
A pretty strong signal that the tribes are going to consent to concurrent jurisdiction with the state of Oklahoma.

joat mon fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jul 9, 2020

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously


Hahahahaha wow

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe
https://www.businessinsider.com/a-soldier-just-became-the-us-armys-first-female-green-beret-2020-7

The first* woman graduated from the SFQC, passed Robin Sage, and is now officially a Green Beret.

She's a bad rear end.

* a woman in the 80s was going to graduate but the higher ups forced her out on BS reasons - she won the appeal and was given the tab but never served in a SFG.

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

Bored As gently caress posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/a-soldier-just-became-the-us-armys-first-female-green-beret-2020-7

The first* woman graduated from the SFQC, passed Robin Sage, and is now officially a Green Beret.

She's a bad rear end.

* a woman in the 80s was going to graduate but the higher ups forced her out on BS reasons - she won the appeal and was given the tab but never served in a SFG.

It’s always interesting to see the guys who were fuelers or mail clerks* or didn’t serve at all, call out how she was totally let through and standards have dropped.

*no hate to fuelers or mail tech, but there understanding of the process is usually limited.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
Hahahaha, like they give a gently caress about the process when there's a woman to poo poo on.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/07/09/black-troops-bear-cost-bases-named-confederates-milley-says.html

Military.com posted:

The issue of the base names has been part of the debate in Congress on the $740 billion National Defense Authorization Act. The House and Senate versions of the NDAA both include amendments to remove the names of Confederate leaders from bases.

President Donald Trump has threatened to veto the NDAA if the amendments are included in the final version of the bill.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008



https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1281352623120097280?s=19

He won't veto it, he's a coward

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Y'all should read this message from the next Vice President of the United States.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1281350316982710273?s=19

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

facialimpediment posted:

Y'all should read this message from the next Vice President of the United States.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1281350316982710273?s=19

paywalled can you c/p?

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Mr. Nice! posted:

paywalled can you c/p?

quote:

Tammy Duckworth: Tucker Carlson Doesn’t Know What Patriotism Is

Neither does President Trump.

By Tammy Duckworth

Ms. Duckworth is a Democratic senator from Illinois.

A little over 240 years ago, two of my ancestors put on the uniform of George Washington’s Continental Army and marched into battle, willing to die if it meant bringing their fledgling nation inches closer to independence. Centuries later, in 1992, I followed in their footsteps and joined the Army.

Even knowing how my tour in Iraq would turn out, even knowing that I’d lose both my legs in a battlefield just north of Baghdad in late 2004, I would do it all over again. Because if there’s anything that my ancestors’ service taught me, it’s the importance of protecting our founding values, including every American’s right to speak out. In a nation born out of an act of protest, there is nothing more patriotic than standing up for what you believe in, even if it goes against those in power.

Our founders’ refusal to blindly follow their leader was what I was reflecting on this Fourth of July weekend, when some on the far right started attacking me for suggesting that all Americans should be heard, even those whose opinions differ from our own. Led by the Fox News host Tucker Carlson and egged on by President Trump, they began questioning my love for the country I went to war to protect, using words I never actually said and ascribing a position to me that I do not actually hold.

Mr. Carlson disingenuously claimed that because I expressed an openness to “a national dialogue” about our founders’ complex legacies, people like me “actually hate America.” One night later, he claimed that I called George Washington a traitor even though I had unambiguously answered no when asked whether anyone could justify saying that he was. Then he argued that changes to monuments of our founders “deserve a debate,” which, somehow, was different and more acceptable to him than the “national dialogue” that led him to question my patriotism just 24 hours earlier.

Setting aside the fact that the right wing’s right to lie about me is one of the rights I fought to defend, let me be clear: I don’t want George Washington’s statue to be pulled down any more than I want the Purple Heart that he established to be ripped off my chest. I never said that I did.

But while I would risk my own safety to protect a statue of his from harm, I’ll fight to my last breath to defend every American’s freedom to have his or her own opinion about Washington’s flawed history. What some on the other side don’t seem to understand is that we can honor our founders while acknowledging their serious faults, including the undeniable fact that many of them enslaved Black Americans.

Because while we have never been a perfect union, we have always sought to be a more perfect union — and in order to do so, we cannot whitewash our missteps and mistakes. We must learn from them instead.

But what I actually said isn’t the reason Mr. Carlson and Mr. Trump are questioning my patriotism, nor is it why they’re using the same racist insults against me that have been slung my way time and again in years past, though they have never worked on me.

They’re doing it because they’re desperate for America’s attention to be on anything other than Donald Trump’s failure to lead our nation, and because they think that Mr. Trump’s electoral prospects will be better if they can turn us against one another. Their goal isn’t to make — or keep — America great. It’s to keep Mr. Trump in power, whatever the cost.

It’s better for Mr. Trump to have you focused on whether an Asian-American woman is sufficiently American than to have you mourning the 130,000 Americans killed by a virus he claimed would disappear in February. It’s better for his campaign to distract Americans with whether a combat veteran is sufficiently patriotic than for people to recall that this failed commander in chief has still apparently done nothing about reports of Russia putting bounties on the heads of American troops in Afghanistan.

Mr. Trump and his team have made the political calculation that, no matter what, they can’t let Americans remember that so many of his decisions suggest that he cares more about lining his pockets and bolstering his political prospects than he does about protecting our troops or our nation.

They should know, though, that attacks from self-serving, insecure men who can’t tell the difference between true patriotism and hateful nationalism will never diminish my love for this country — or my willingness to sacrifice for it so they don’t have to. These titanium legs don’t buckle.

The hateful vision for America parroted by Mr. Trump and Mr. Carlson will not win. Their relentless efforts to drive wedges between us will not work forever. We are too resilient a nation, too diverse a people, to let them.

In his farewell address, George Washington not only recognized his own imperfections, he also urged Americans to “guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism” and be wary of excessive partisanship. In the generations since, too many patriots, including many in my own family, have sacrificed too much to let our guard down now.

So when Tucker Carlson questions the patriotism of those willing to sacrifice for his freedom, or when Donald Trump promotes those smears — after having threatened to veto a pay raise for our troops to try to ensure the military continues honoring Confederate traitors who took up arms against our Union — remember Washington’s words.

Remember that part of what has always made America not just great but good is that every American has the right to question those in charge. Anyone claiming to stand up for “patriotic” values should recognize that, because, without it, the country these impostor patriots claim to love so much would not exist.

Our nation deserves leaders mature and secure enough not to race-bait or swift-boat anyone who dares disagree with them. After these past four years, and especially after these past four months, it’s clearer than ever that we must choose public servants who will focus on the serious issues facing our country — from the spread of the coronavirus to systemic racism to foreign adversaries threatening our troops’ lives — rather than cynical bullies who use schoolyard tactics to distract from their own shortcomings.

So while I would put on my old uniform and go to war all over again to protect the right of Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump to say offensive things on TV and Twitter, I will also spend every moment I can from now until November fighting to elect leaders who would rather do good for their country than do well for themselves.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Beaten, so a quick primer: she essentially flubbed a statues question over the weekend, got attacked by Tucker, then turned it around. The Biden/Bernie approach is to take a stupid culture war question and go "wtf why are you asking that, this is stupid, we could instead be focusing on x/y/z" and Duckworth instead engaged.

It's kind of a skill developed when running for a national office - rejecting the premise of the question, refusing to answer, and instead using it to talk about whatever you want to talk about. I'm poo poo at it :v:

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jul 10, 2020

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
Eh, what's a minority junior senator from Illinois going to amount to anyway.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Stultus Maximus posted:

Eh, what's a minority junior senator from Illinois going to amount to anyway.

:lol: thank you for that

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Heat stroke certain Gat drat

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

not caring here posted:

Hahahaha, like they give a gently caress about the process when there's a woman to poo poo on.

Oh yeah I guarantee you every self perceived badass mechanic/clerk/jo specialist you've ever known is going to go loving bananas

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Sunstroke

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Followed shortly by a sunshower

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

CSPAM is many things, and sometimes it delivers:

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


Terrifying Effigies posted:

CSPAM is many things, and sometimes it delivers:

C-SPAM is a land of contrasts

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
The thing I gathered from reading the first bit of that is that Duckworth still thinks that invading Iraq was a good idea.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Because I like her for the most part I'll proffer a half hearted defense and say that the alternative is to believe she lost her legs for nothing :(. And by extension, lost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars for the same.

God drat it really was a tremendous waste

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


check out the very cool podcast Blowback to learn, or at least be reminded, of just how much of a pile of cynical murderous horseshit the invasion of Iraq was

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Man, that TLP poo poo is really going to Donnie's head. There's a bunch of quoted tweets on TLP twitter from Donnie that have now been deleted.

I don't like them, but will applaud them loving him up 100%. Too bad they didn't screenshot his tweets before he deleted them.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
I guess the lesson learned from Vietnam is gently caress you, we'll do it again

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

I guess the lesson learned from Vietnam is gently caress you, we'll do it again

That's pretty much the motto of america at this point

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

orange juche posted:

Man, that TLP poo poo is really going to Donnie's head. There's a bunch of quoted tweets on TLP twitter from Donnie that have now been deleted.

I don't like them, but will applaud them loving him up 100%. Too bad they didn't screenshot his tweets before he deleted them.

Trump mad.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


Just think, in 2021 or 2025 when he is out of office all he will have left to do is keep posting and he will never stop posting

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

Milo and POTUS posted:

That's pretty much the motto of america at this point

It works for Spanish Flu, that's for sure

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




Wait a second, did he vomit out that many tweets in less than 2 minutes? God drat he is mad as poo poo.

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

Nick Soapdish posted:

Just think, in 2021 or 2025 when he is out of office all he will have left to do is keep posting and he will never stop posting

You just know the fucker is going to live to be 100, too :(

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Longer. He'll have his head installed in Alex Jones' abdomen like Krang or Kuato.

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


spying on my campaign, the biggest political crime and scandal in U.S. History,

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1281407459001872384?s=20

Punished Dan is a shithead, news at 11

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
news flash

republicans only care about what republicans think about them

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sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Trump got on Hannity to cry about his taxes and masks

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