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Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

Endorph posted:

Mr. Wizard was full-bore we need to ban this stuff to protect women type, lol. He banned Dead or Alive from the event because of two cosplayers jokingly feeling each other up on a stream promoting DoA6, in a way that was clearly just the models messing around and not a scripted moment forced on them by the company or anything.

To be fair that whole moment really was awkward and embarrassing as gently caress. It was pretty much just a ryona video and slideshow, a really stupid idea to have that on stream.
Sure Wizard gave us the only gift he was ever really good for in CORE VALUES, which only got good because of his ineptitude.


Dias posted:

Well, that didn't take long.

Sky Williams, the Epstein of Smash.

For real.
He's looking to be the root cause for most if not all the big names that got outed. As time goes on, it seems were getting more and more on him.

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Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Having just finished mainlining this long and very depressing thread, it seems like there’s a few different scenarios leading to abuse, which may need different approaches to tackle:

1 - Awkward nerds who got famous, started getting a lot of attention because of it, exploited that and rationalised what they were doing as ok because in their own heads, they’re still the vulnerable outsider. Kennedy, Avellone etc.

2 - Confident, sociopathic sexual predators who knew exactly what they were doing. I’m 99% sure the Ubisoft execs were this; you can tell in a workplace when the guys at the top are running it as their personal harem and it seems to have been really widespread there.

3 - Child molesters using kids’ interest in a Thing to find victims. Happened to a lot of fandoms I think, and obviously there’s all the streamer stuff coming out now.

4 - whatever the gently caress Manson Family poo poo Sky was getting up to. Charismatic leaders taking over a captive community, maybe.

All of these are about exploiting a different power dynamic. I guess 1 and 2 are maybe the same dynamic except for different flavours of abuser.

What can we actually do to stop the dismal parade of abuse? Can we disrupt the power disparities somehow? Because that’s what this actually comes down to. Calling people out helps but isn’t enough to stop it from happening again.

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



Mega Comrade posted:

There is often no 'seems' about it and we should call it what it is, paedophile art. Same for that splatoon poo poo people were talking about a few pages ago.

I agree im still in shock that the guy who quoted me thought i was only doing it for a joke meme...

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Irony Be My Shield posted:

I'm sorry you had to learn about the female orgasm this way

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who the gently caress thinks like that

im still in shock

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012

Rabid Snake posted:

I agree im still in shock that the guy who quoted me thought i was only doing it for a joke meme...

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who the gently caress thinks like that

im still in shock

Because you kind of come off as a weirdo who's clutching their pearls over porn when you just say "oh god don't look up meaning of [fetish term], I feel sick"

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

Rabid Snake posted:

I agree im still in shock that the guy who quoted me thought i was only doing it for a joke meme...

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who the gently caress thinks like that

im still in shock

It's hard to take you seriously when there's goatse dot jpg in a recent announcement post

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
It's a fetish that often involves characters who are children. Stop acting like he's being a prude for being disgusted by it.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem
It's pretty messed up to dismiss someone's sincere reaction to something everyone agrees is gross at best in a thread that is supposed to be sympathetic to people being open.

Infinity Gaia posted:

I can't think of anywhere besides maybe a porn convention where those ahegao hoodies would actually be acceptable and even then I'm pretty sure they'd be considered weird. I have no idea why those things were even made.

The point of stuff like that is to push boundaries for fun, which in itself is probably pretty telling of why the convention/tournament scene is as unfortunate as it is.

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE

Shoenin posted:

To be fair that whole moment really was awkward and embarrassing as gently caress. It was pretty much just a ryona video and slideshow, a really stupid idea to have that on stream.
Sure Wizard gave us the only gift he was ever really good for in CORE VALUES, which only got good because of his ineptitude.


For real.
He's looking to be the root cause for most if not all the big names that got outed. As time goes on, it seems were getting more and more on him.

are we supposed to know what ryona is

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

Rabid Snake posted:

Jesus christ dont loving google the definition of ahegao

someone should put a trigger warning on that word

i feel sick

lmfao

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

left me aheghast

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

RottenK posted:

are we supposed to know what ryona is

No, just saying that's what they were doing.
What it is, it's girls getting beaten up usually in a provocative manner.

Pretty much what caused CORE VALUES to happen was they were usually closing in on the girls crotches or breasts paused with the camera when they were getting hit or attacked. This went on for a surprisingly long while.
Definitely something that shouldn't have been shown on stream. Wizard was actually in the right to shut it off, its his explanation as to why that was the stupidest thing that deserved the mockery it got.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

Shoenin posted:

No, just saying that's what they were doing.
What it is, it's girls getting beaten up usually in a provocative manner.

Pretty much what caused CORE VALUES to happen was they were usually closing in on the girls crotches or breasts paused with the camera when they were getting hit or attacked. This went on for a surprisingly long while.
Definitely something that shouldn't have been shown on stream. Wizard was actually in the right to shut it off, its his explanation as to why that was the stupidest thing that deserved the mockery it got.

Wasn't the stream pretty much on the level of "lol when Zangief does an SPD on someone and you pause on this exact frame it looks like he's eating them out!" except for Dead or Alive. They were talking more about how skimpy, revealing and over the top sexy everything was pretty much.

Like if I wanted to bring up Ryona in fighting games I'd just go look at...Mortal Kombat, the game where I can watch Sonya Blade's skull get fractured in slow motion?

Chucat fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Jul 10, 2020

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)
It was much more absurd than pausing a Gief SPD.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

Shoenin posted:

It was much more absurd than pausing a Gief SPD.

I found the stream, I'm watching it again. It is that, they are collectively losing their poo poo at things like this while spinning the camera around and cackling:



Like if this is ryona then I'm hype for Netherrealm to end up in the Hague or something.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
I see the thread is just casually having a normal one debating whether splatoon pornography is appropriate in a thread primarily about allegations of sexual and physical abuse

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



Saagonsa posted:

Because you kind of come off as a weirdo who's clutching their pearls over porn when you just say "oh god don't look up meaning of [fetish term], I feel sick"

Yes sorry man I don’t like seeing children drawn in sexual things

Jesus

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



On the bright side I got my nephew back into Dota 2/mobas that he likes.

Nothing sexual over mic yet but I told him to mute the mike when toxicity came

Got some “your a kid” backlash but that’s it so far

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I googled it and just saw an adult real woman and a singular anime girl that did not look like a child. If you did a full on image search maybe you’ll see characters that look child like?

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

I googled it and just saw an adult real woman and a singular anime girl that did not look like a child. If you did a full on image search maybe you’ll see characters that look child like?

If that’s your kink then whatever man but you can’t tell me there’s not some child bait in those pictures.

That’s not me. Just put a trigger warning on it

Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jul 10, 2020

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE
it's pictures of generic anime girls doing an exagerrated facial expression, it looks stupid as poo poo and people who wear ahegao merch are out of touch at best and often just obnoxious morons but if you see it and immediately go "What the gently caress!!! This is clearly child porn!!!" they you're just being ridiculous

like its understandable to think its dumb ugly garbage, but i think you're overreacting

RottenK fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jul 10, 2020

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



RottenK posted:

it's pictures of generic anime girls doing an exagerrated facial expression, it looks stupid as poo poo and people who wear ahegao merch are out of touch at best and often just obnoxious morons but if you see it and immediately go "What the gently caress!!! This is clearly child porn!!!" they you're just being ridiculous

like its understandable to think its dumb ugly garbage, but i think you're overreacting

Okay you done?

Overbite
Jan 24, 2004


I'm a vtuber expert
Every anime woman is 5 years old don’t @ me

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE

Rabid Snake posted:

Okay you done?

yeah? there's nothing more to say on the topic.

also, IMO moba communities are universally terrible and if you have a young kid that really likes these cursed games it might be good to be around while they play because it's basically inevitable that people will be yelling (or spamming the chat with) slurs or be incredibly bigoted once things get even a little heated. might want to keep an eye on that so your nephew doesn't pick up a bad habit of acting like the trogs that populate mobas

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I'm glad we are finally getting to the bottom of the anime o-face term

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



RottenK posted:

yeah? there's nothing more to say on the topic.

also, IMO moba communities are universally terrible and if you have a young kid that really likes these cursed games it might be good to be around while they play because it's basically inevitable that people will be yelling (or spamming the chat with) slurs or be incredibly bigoted once things get even a little heated. might want to keep an eye on that so your nephew doesn't pick up a bad habit of acting like the trogs that populate mobas

Okay man let it out

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

On second thought ive decided we should never talk about sex again

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


It's very cool that we are using instances of sexual assault in the industry, which are far-reaching and widespread, to fight a proxy war over video games and genres I personally do not like. My consumer choices will absolve me one day, I just know it.

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE

Rabid Snake posted:

Okay man let it out

??

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

RottenK posted:

it's pictures of generic anime girls doing an exagerrated facial expression, it looks stupid as poo poo and people who wear ahegao merch are out of touch at best and often just obnoxious morons but if you see it and immediately go "What the gently caress!!! This is clearly child porn!!!" they you're just being ridiculous

like its understandable to think its dumb ugly garbage, but i think you're overreacting

The images are from hentai porn. They weren't created for the shirts.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Overbite posted:

Every anime woman is 5 years old don’t @ me

av/post combo

exquisite tea posted:

It's very cool that we are using instances of sexual assault in the industry, which are far-reaching and widespread, to fight a proxy war over video games and genres I personally do not like. My consumer choices will absolve me one day, I just know it.

:same:

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.
Is all hentai suddenly child porn or what is your point

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE

Mega Comrade posted:

The images are from hentai porn. They weren't created for the shirts.

oh no not hentai porn

exquisite tea posted:

It's very cool that we are using instances of sexual assault in the industry, which are far-reaching and widespread, to fight a proxy war over video games and genres I personally do not like. My consumer choices will absolve me one day, I just know it.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Rabid Snake posted:

On the bright side I got my nephew back into Dota 2/mobas that he likes.

Nothing sexual over mic yet but I told him to mute the mike when toxicity came

Got some “your a kid” backlash but that’s it so far

Cool I guess?

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



kirbysuperstar posted:

Cool I guess?

Very cool imo

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



remembrer the first time you got into counter-strike over dial up? drat those were some cool times

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
what kind of a dumbass plays counterstrike when action quake 2 exists

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

exquisite tea posted:

It's very cool that we are using instances of sexual assault in the industry, which are far-reaching and widespread, to fight a proxy war over video games and genres I personally do not like. My consumer choices will absolve me one day, I just know it.

This. Please, please shut the gently caress up about anything that isn't the focus of this thread.

not a bot
Jan 9, 2019
I didn't expect there to be this many people defending those shirts.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

not a bot posted:

I didn't expect there to be this many people defending those shirts.

You need to get better at reading the room if you wanna live up to your username

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RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE
the only reason we're even talking about the ugly shirts is that someone thought that they're partly to blame for the sex pests so there was a discussion about how true or not that is

no one's defending them here

do agree that it's probably past time to move on from the topic

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