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PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Darth Walrus posted:

They do seem like an odd country to recruit for a war.

why would that be? sadly, Somalia is the Ivy League of war. you name a type of war, and we’ve had it twice.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
also they're just looking for cannon fodder to load into saudi AFVs, not an actual military ally

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Darth Walrus posted:

They do seem like an odd country to recruit for a war.

It's a nice way to phrase "KSA asked Somailia to get a blank check on recruiting Somali child soldiers from war torn regions", i.e. the exact same thing they did in Sudan(s).

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Darth Walrus posted:

Incidentally, I found a detailed and fascinating article on Lebanon's bizarre economy, if you want to see why it was so uniquely vulnerable to COVID-19. Every single chart in it is incredible.

A big part of the issue was tying the Lebanese Pound to the dollar which fueled a speculative real estate bubble and then rapid devaluation once the bubble collapsed in the an absence of currency controls. The aftermath Civil War/2006 conflict delayed this bubble somewhat because circumstances were still so uncertain, but by the 2010s it was in full swing. This was all a long-time in coming since there were already signs Lebanon had been under economic stress for years, but it took COVID for the explosion to occur.

Most developing countries really don't benefit long-term from having a super-strong currency since usually it just leads to a false sense of stability and growth followed by economic catastrophy once reserves run out.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 11:15 on Jul 4, 2020

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
extremely normal economy





Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1279401197342994433?s=20

Boatswain
May 29, 2012

Darkman Fanpage posted:

mcchrystal joked that "when we understand this slide we will win the war"

lmao source??!

gonna cite this in my dissertation

nikosoft
Dec 17, 2011

ghost in the shell, but somehow much worse
College Slice
Gonna rec Radio War Nerd 218 from back in Feb as a great primer on why Lebanon's economy imploded

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/lapinesque/status/1280064878556971008?s=20
https://twitter.com/lapinesque/status/1280064903311699968?s=20

orange sky
May 7, 2007

This will surely be an amazing shitshow to watch

https://www.thenational.ae/world/gcc/kuwait-approves-foreign-worker-quota-bill-1.1044807

quote:

uwait’s National Assembly committee has approved a draft law proposing a quota for the number of foreign workers that live in the country, designed to change the country's demographic ratio in favour of Kuwaitis.

The bill states that the Indian expatriate community – one of the largest in the country – should not exceed 15 per cent of the national population, which means around 800,000 of them could be required to leave the country.

Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheikh Sabah Al Khaled Al Sabah said last month that the country would like the number of foreign workers to drop from 70 per cent of the population to 30 per cent. This would mean a cut of around 2.5 million workers.

Foreigners account for nearly 3.4 million of Kuwait’s 4.8 million people, and that’s a “big imbalance, and we have a future challenge to redress this imbalance,” Sheikh Sabah told the top editors of local newspapers.

The bill will now be referred to the concerned committee for consideration

In June, state-owned Kuwait Petroleum Corporation and its subsidiaries said the employment of foreign workers would be banned for the year 2020-21. There are similar plans for government and civil service jobs.

Last year, MP Safa Al Hashem said that it was essential to have Kuwaitis number more than 50 per cent of the country’s population.

Parliamentary elections are scheduled for later this year, and anti-foreign worker rhetoric is attractive to some voters, especially when it concerns well-paid government jobs. At the end of 2019, only 19 per cent of the Kuwaiti workforce was in the private sector.

Foreigners have also accounted for the majority of Kuwait’s coronavirus cases as the disease spread among migrant workers living in labour camps.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Yeah the Kuwaiti parliament is currently in the grips of a bunch of loving racists populists it’s crazy, this is a trend that will certainly be sweeping the gulf soon now that the money is drying up, with the exception of UAE + Qatar since those countries would literally be nothing without their foreign population

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

Yeah the Kuwaiti parliament is currently in the grips of a bunch of loving racists populists it’s crazy, this is a trend that will certainly be sweeping the gulf soon now that the money is drying up, with the exception of UAE + Qatar since those countries would literally be nothing without their foreign population

Don't worry Kuwait will be a very good cautionary tale once Kuwaitis have to work in construction and deliver food in 50°C heat and 80% humidity

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1280110767203852291?s=20
https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1280129260368334849?s=20

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/CharlieDaniels/status/810649348832903168

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
at this rate assad is going to be the god-emperor of humanity because people keeping invoking the curse

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

don't think assad is to blame this time

https://twitter.com/CharlieDaniels/status/1279760077902274562?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/1279857297540423680?s=20

Boatswain
May 29, 2012

Lmao is that a sanctions act?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Boatswain posted:

Lmao is that a sanctions act?

The Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act, also known as the Caesar Act, is a United States legislation that sanctions the Syrian government, including Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, for war crimes against the Syrian population. The bill has not been passed into law. Instead, parts of it were incorporated in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2020.

A number of Syrian operated industries, including those related to infrastructure, military maintenance and energy production, are targeted. The bill also targets individuals and businesses who provide funding or assistance to the president of Syria. Iranian and Russian entities are addressed for their governments' support of Assad in the Syrian Civil War. The legislation imposes fresh sanctions on entities conducting business with the Syrian government and its military and intelligence agencies. It also aims to encourage negotiations by allowing the President of the United States to waive sanctions if the parties are engaged in meaningful negotiations and the violence against civilians has ceased.

The Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act of 2019 has become a part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2020 (S1790) as House of Representatives report 116–333. The House Committee Report, including Caesar has passed the Senate on December 17, 2019 with bipartisan support from both chambers of United States Congress. A few days later, U.S. President Donald Trump signed this bill containing this version of the Caesar provision to become law.

This bill is named after an individual known as Caesar, who documented torture against civilians by Assad's government, which was verified to become known as the 2014 Syrian detainee report or Caesar Report. Human Rights Watch (HRW) further investigated this report, and produced an additional report titled If the Dead Could Speak. Photographic evidence from the 2014 Syrian detainee report has been on display at the United States Holocaust Museum and at the United Nations.


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oh for gently caress's sake that report is almost definitely just some bullshit cooked up by the CIA

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

orange sky posted:

Don't worry Kuwait will be a very good cautionary tale once Kuwaitis have to work in construction and deliver food in 50°C heat and 80% humidity

How well-paid and influential are the Indian population in Kuwait? I know that this sort of move is often not about actually kicking people out, but about reducing their labour bargaining power by making their presence in the country illegal.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Darth Walrus posted:

How well-paid and influential are the Indian population in Kuwait? I know that this sort of move is often not about actually kicking people out, but about reducing their labour bargaining power by making their presence in the country illegal.

no it's not like california where a lot of the immigrants are upper-caste tech workers. these are dalit construction workers and domestic servants. they don't have access to their own passports, let alone labor power

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Boatswain posted:

lmao source??!

gonna cite this in my dissertation

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

sorry about facebook link but this is a really good watch

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2329630387339225

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/yscouncil/status/1280516036433977345?s=21

THS
Sep 15, 2017

gradenko_2000 posted:

This bill is named after an individual known as Caesar, who documented torture against civilians by Assad's government

hold up, assad was accused of torture?? the United States cannot, will not stand for this violation of human rights

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
love when our political parties (both of them!) come together to strangle a nation's economy in the name of preventing more civilian deaths. take that, assad!

Tempora Mutantur
Feb 22, 2005

the entire concept of american sanctions is like responding to reports of parents abusing their children in their homes by setting up a barricade around the home where the abuse is occurring, not actually doing anything about the abuse, and saying "we will punish anyone who tries to help that family. no, you cannot go in and stop the abusers. we figure that if this barricade goes on long enough, they'll figure it out and stop abusing the children on their own. or perhaps the children will eventually realize that their parents are causing this blockade and will overthrow their parents."

then again, america, so that's not far off from reality

(not the best metaphor for a lot of reasons but goddamn I do not understand punishing a population because their leadership is punishing them, you ain't gonna win hearts or minds and I believe the last 50? years of trying it has shown that)

(not to mention blockading countries just cause america is like "gently caress those guys" where the metaphor doesn't work at all)

THS
Sep 15, 2017

it’s because sanctions are meant to weaken, there’s no expectation of improving the situation or a government “learning its lesson”. that’s just cynical rhetoric. the actual logic is that causing further economic trouble will destabilize the state to such an extent that there’s a change of leadership by coup or uprising which is more amenable to imperialism, or the state collapses entirely. both of which i guess are win conditions for the US

any other result like “fanatical slavers take over entire regions then spill over into neighboring countries in a cascade effect of violence and terror” is just an externality

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
More than even regime change, economic sanctions are supposed to make an "example" of a country to scare others in line. The problem is that usually it backfires, and the population starts supporting the regime and sanctions arguably help propel regimes. It seems like a growing number of countries see this and are mostly shrugging off the threat of US sanctions and instead use work arounds.

Also, an large part of it is the US military is overstretched and as Afganistan/Iraq showed the US military really can't sustain long term occupation. The "Libyan experiment" also has proved unworkable since it is so destablizing to an entire region.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


US sanctions provide a needed boost to the world economy driven by sales of flammable US flags

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


THS posted:

hold up, assad was accused of torture?? the United States cannot, will not stand for this violation of human rights

we know he did torture because we hired him to do torture

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Flavahbeast posted:

we know he did torture because we hired him to do torture

can't argue with that evidence, really

Boatswain
May 29, 2012
Thanks, did not know this either:

quote:

Lt. Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led the allied ground forces in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, grew frustrated when he could not get Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the commander at the time of American forces in the Persian Gulf region, to issue orders that stated explicitly how he wanted the invasion conducted, and why. Instead, General Franks just passed on to General McKiernan the vague PowerPoint slides that he had already shown to Donald H. Rumsfeld, the defense secretary at the time.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Tommy Franks was (is) a loving idiot and he's lucky his invasion plan didn't get thousands of US soldiers killed in the first week. Cobra II is a good book that covers the details.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

THS posted:

hold up, assad was accused of torture?? the United States cannot, will not stand for this violation of human rights

*gasps, drops rectal feeding nozzle spraying hummus everywhere*

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1281527091553607680/photo/1
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1281552045431033857?p=v

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
someday the Who Must Go meme will catch up to Oz

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Turkey planning to turn the Hagia Sophia into a mosque. This will go over well in Europe.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

It's Spiked, though, who actually are genocide deniers and living demonstrations of the Trot-to-fash pipeline (they make up a not-insignificant part of Boris Johnson's staff). Katerji had a stopped clock moment here.

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Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Spergin Morlock posted:

Turkey planning to turn the Hagia Sophia into a mosque. This will go over well in Europe.

I mean it is a mosque, it just wasn't an active one. This opens it up to services again which sucks and will make seeing the interior a worse experience, but some of the sensationalist headlines about them converting a church into a mosque are five centuries too late.

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