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After 2008. Tiabbi was one of the few journalists I can think of who gained a large audience by reporting on the crimes of the financial sectors and their government accomplices. Him doubling down on "cancel culture" debates right as the Fed is again using the money printer to give billions (at this point it might be trillions?) to bailout their friends is either incredibly stupid or suspicious. Maybe he just realizes bullshit culture war writing is an easier day job than picking fights with the entire banking sector.
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Top City Homo posted:u know the answer I mean, there are some dumb motherfuckers out there too
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Atrocious Joe posted:After 2008. Tiabbi was one of the few journalists I can think of who gained a large audience by reporting on the crimes of the financial sectors and their government accomplices. Him doubling down on "cancel culture" debates right as the Fed is again using the money printer to give billions (at this point it might be trillions?) to bailout their friends is either incredibly stupid or suspicious. Maybe he just realizes bullshit culture war writing is an easier day job than picking fights with the entire banking sector. i think he’s saying it wouldn’t take much to turn cancel culture on the left, which isn’t exactly unprecedented in history
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lol amber and matt taibbi sharing a moment that #NotAllCops are racists murders
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Centrist Committee posted:i think he’s saying it wouldn’t take much to turn cancel culture on the left, which isn’t exactly unprecedented in history On the other hand, "free speech" has been nothing more than a means to smear the left wing while providing cover for acts of intimidation and other forms of violence.
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Jul 10, 2020 09:09
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Lady Militant posted:guess whose back on chapo!! gen x ftw
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Jul 10, 2020 09:12
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MizPiz posted:On the other hand, "free speech" has been nothing more than a means to smear the left wing while providing cover for acts of intimidation and other forms of violence. ding ding the game is rigged against agitators regardless of what paradigm you use if capital is in control. "cancel culture" and The Big Call Out such that they exist and have been wielded have already largely only been effective at destroying people involved in intra left/prog conflicts of varying degrees of onlineness, everything from ousting legitimately abusive / toxic people to crushing people's posting enemies and leaving people from marginalized pops isolated and without support networks for petty bullshit. sometimes movements concerned with legit criminal behavior and laser focused on the top dogs of abuse (cis het white men) get decent results, like the industry call outs we've seen, but the day to day bread and butter canceling that goes on is a lot of externalized social strife Look at someone like Peter coffin, if a little turd like that dude can't be flushed by cancel culture purely on the strength of being shameless what good is it
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smarxist posted:ding ding I don't think the people in the big media outlets talking about cancel culture are referring to the split between FRSO and FRSO. I think they're talking about the famous celebs and such. Not "Peter Coffin"
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:I don't think the people in the big media outlets talking about cancel culture are referring to the split between FRSO and FRSO. I think they're talking about the famous celebs and such. Not "Peter Coffin" Obviously I'm talking about where it came from as a cultural concept and where it's still largely employed, and has been picked up on as a front in the broader culture war once it managed to gently caress with someone's money that people know. It's still mostly a useless fake concern in mainstream culture, because people engage in "cancellation" based on principles and politics, both of which nobody gives a poo poo about if you can't affect their money. Rarely someone manages to be jettisoned based on a call out alone, but usually it has to involve some level of poo poo storm that starts to gently caress with people's money (Weinstein) or can be theorized to gently caress with it (when shitgoblins on smaller platforms are called out and the math goes bad) before anyone with power will act. If the target is an independent owner/operator (crowd funded) it's largely useless as well if they're skirting the ToS on their platform well enough, or don't stoke enough ire to negatively impact the platform. All in all it's about as useful/benign a tool as boycotts, just dressed up in better ideology (typically). That's at the level where people are trying to cancel "mega stars" and poo poo. Where it's still employed day in/day out, as a means to try and eject harmful actors from scenes and communities, you have a bit more success and a bit more propensity for weaponization, but still largely no impact if the person is making money for somebody (Matt Riddle is one of the biggest pro wrestlers in the world and is accused of sexual assault poo poo and the WWE doesn't give a gently caress and keeps signing his paychecks)
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Jul 10, 2020 14:16
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we live in a society as commodities and consumers not people and it sucks
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(Not directed at any posters in here) it really saddens me that The Discourse has moved on from what looked at moments like a world-historically critical uprising against police impunity and its white supremacist ideological underpinnings, all unfolding as the social & economic structure of global empire’s seat proves uniquely unable to respond to a devastating pandemic. Could not possibly give less of a poo poo about "cancel culture" or The Letter
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Jul 10, 2020 15:28
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The police smartened up and stopped escalating as much as they were when the unrest started and essentially just worked as firebreaks to let people burn out instead of actively spraying gasoline on the whole situation. It'll probably be a different ball game if the status quo actually has the balls for mass evictions (I don't think they do but i could be wrong!)
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GalacticAcid posted:(Not directed at any posters in here) it’s almost like twitter, the media, and online discourse are all distractions and mind poison that divert us all away from actual politics and end up making everyone involved insane
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Atrocious Joe posted:After 2008. Tiabbi was one of the few journalists I can think of who gained a large audience by reporting on the crimes of the financial sectors and their government accomplices. Him doubling down on "cancel culture" debates right as the Fed is again using the money printer to give billions (at this point it might be trillions?) to bailout their friends is either incredibly stupid or suspicious. Maybe he just realizes bullshit culture war writing is an easier day job than picking fights with the entire banking sector. Maybe he made enough money from his financial writings after 2008 to be quite happy with how things are.
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but it’s a pandemic so we’re trapped online anyway, so the discourse has become an even greater behemoth. god drat this is a bad year
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I don't really give a gently caress about "cancel culture" (what the gently caress does that even mean). However, I find the idea that a bunch of writers for the new york times et al writing an open letter saying "stop saying I'm stupid, you're stupid, you can't say I'm stupid" loving hilarious.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:10
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yeah, most of the signees are people making 6 figures a year annoyed that they can't tweet their devastatingly sharp insights onto twitter without some guy named @weed_stalin chaos dunking them with a 50,000 RT zinger
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Piggy Poop Balls devastated the self assurance of the bourgeois press
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getting that military academy professor or w/e to melt down by tweeting "oh for sure man" at him endlessly
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smarxist posted:yeah, most of the signees are people making 6 figures a year annoyed that they can't tweet their devastatingly sharp insights onto twitter without some guy named @weed_stalin chaos dunking them with a 50,000 RT zinger it’s a case of older people who spent their entire lives insulated from criticism except from their peers, and now they are online, but did not “grow up” online and so have precisely zero coping mechanisms for dealing with the torrents of both unwarranted and warranted abuse. they are weak players in the psychic war
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Jul 10, 2020 16:31
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GalacticAcid posted:it really saddens me that The Discourse has moved on from what looked at moments like a world-historically critical uprising against police impunity and its white supremacist ideological underpinnings, all unfolding as the social & economic structure of global empire’s seat proves uniquely unable to respond to a devastating pandemic. I hear ya, but we all knew this was how it had to be. The uprisings to me have always been a completely unexpected win and should put to bed the annoying canard that "there is no left in America." If anything, the past few months should show that there is actually quite a large American left, in almost every city of every state. It's just poorly unorganized and unprepared to seize power.
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Atrocious Joe posted:After 2008. Tiabbi was one of the few journalists I can think of who gained a large audience by reporting on the crimes of the financial sectors and their government accomplices. Him doubling down on "cancel culture" debates right as the Fed is again using the money printer to give billions (at this point it might be trillions?) to bailout their friends is either incredibly stupid or suspicious. Maybe he just realizes bullshit culture war writing is an easier day job than picking fights with the entire banking sector. it sucks, i like tiabbi but hes fallen hard for dumb culture war poo poo that doesnt matter
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Lightning Knight posted:the zoomers will win who cares
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GalacticAcid posted:who cares gen xer spotted https://twitter.com/reennaattaa_/status/1281255861126643713?s=21
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smarxist posted:yeah, most of the signees are people making 6 figures a year annoyed that they can't tweet their devastatingly sharp insights onto twitter without some guy named @weed_stalin chaos dunking them with a 50,000 RT zinger Katie Herzog (podcast host)
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Just keep building on successes and failures, you can look at the abarchist thingy in seattle for example and say here’s why it worked for a bit and here’s why it doesn’t. Even just teaching people about copaganda is “win” Right now it seems like things are coming to a head between segments of the bourgeois- the liberals who want to continue the order of globalization and the fascists who want to hermetically seal up the us. It’s a difference of whether to continue collecting surplus value from the backs of the global south, or to do that + feed amerikan proletariat/lumpenproles into the meatgrinder. This is an obvious insight and I’m not really smart enough to extrapolate from there, but in November when we all decide who our hhic is gonna be once tens of millions of people are evicted, unemployed, and dying of coronavirus disease, things are going 2 be odd
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG7FhC2LeGE Scionix posted:dick wolf is cancelled for not being sufficiently revolutionary, you missed it wolff has specifically said he talks about the workplace democracy stuff because americans have not been pavlonianly trained against it. it's like getting your foot in the door dick wolff constantly talks about hating markets. he speaks sympathetically about china and the soviet union.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:it sucks, i like tiabbi but hes fallen hard for dumb culture war poo poo that doesnt matter whats worse is a good chunk of his fans will leap down your throat calling you an SJW who wants to destroy free speech if you say "Maybe he should focus on something more relevant to current events than people yelling online"
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Jul 10, 2020 17:22
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Dick wolff sucks as do all the pseudoleft economists like piketty, varoufakis etc
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dick wolff's podcast is kind of dry and he's a lot better in a sit down interview or when he has a lot of physical listeners
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I wouldn't group Wolff in with Varoufakis or Piketty (or Blythe, for that matter)
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taibbi is cool but he's terminally liberal
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Varoufakis and blythe and pikkety are all liberals who are for market reformism afaik
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reading a piketty book in highschool made me feel smart
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when zizek dies where there be a single “high profile” marxist academic
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Centrist Committee posted:i think he’s saying it wouldn’t take much to turn cancel culture on the left, which isn’t exactly unprecedented in history he is right though that you should not get people to whoop and holler for zuckerberg and literally henry kissinger deciding who gets to talk or not
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Varoufakis still wants to end capitalism, just form a milquetoast electoral perspective. He also defends china as well, so I'd put him on the same class as Richard Wolff. What's the deal with Zizek by the way? I used to watch his lectures in high school to feel smart, but I doubt I've ever really understood his position. He's a harsh critic of capitalism, and yet he's also this huge pessimist?
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