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droll posted:What are his choices if the fed won't print money? California the state cannot print money right? Can the Governor put an actual legal hold on rent, mortgages and give people something with which to buy food? Would the fed let California take out a massive loan for a trillion dollars to keep the largest economy in America on hold for 18 months? Most people who refer to the federal government “printing money” for big outlays have the very common misconception that the government is actually creating the money, when in reality it’s just borrowing it. The Federal Reserve can actually “print money” (and destroy it as well) but this is only done to try to influence esoteric lending rates; the money isn’t sent to individuals for rent relief or whatever. It can seem like the US government has unlimited funds because we never have any trouble selling bonds, but it’s still ultimately borrowing. The state of California is perfectly able to sell bonds as well, but there’s no way the state could find as many buyers at low rates as the federal government does, so there’s no illusion of unlimited money.
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raminasi posted:Most people who refer to the federal government “printing money” for big outlays have the very common misconception that the government is actually creating the money, when in reality it’s just borrowing it. The Federal Reserve can actually “print money” (and destroy it as well) but this is only done to try to influence esoteric lending rates; the money isn’t sent to individuals for rent relief or whatever. It can seem like the US government has unlimited funds because we never have any trouble selling bonds, but it’s still ultimately borrowing. At this point, it's still essentially free money for the Feds to take loans because the interest rates for the federal government is below inflation. They're essentially being paid money to borrow money. People don't know what to do with massive reserves of excess cash, so they're willing to get paid less just to have a reasonably safe influx of interest from federal bonds. Any investments from federal bonds can significantly improve everyone's lives by refunding education, paying for the scientific work necessary for our future, and building up our social safety net. Instead, they're just sitting on their hands, suddenly worrying about some deficit they were happy to increase to fill out the pockets of the rich.
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Kenning posted:Any theories as to why the Bay Area has overall had such high compliance and relatively little bellyaching about SiP as compared to other regions? Me, confused, every time I step outside and see people casually chillin at a local restaurant with masks around their necks or not covering their nose though. Doubly so on buses, where it's not like you're engaged in physical exertion that would make wearing one particularly unpleasant.
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I watch so many people just pull down their masks to talk. It's mind boggling
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Kenning posted:Richmond, incidentally, is extremely cool. I lived there for like 7 years, and I wish my job wasn't location-specific, or I would still live there. Extremely vibrant working class town. The sort you don't expect to still exist in the Bay. That aspect of Richmond is, of course, doomed. The plague of gentrification will kill it just as surely as it's killing the last vestiges of coolness in Oakland already. But as of today... yeah Richmond isn't where the techbros are living, yet. Mostly.
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The pressure on Gavbot to release prisoners due to the prison outbreaks is working https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1281658889751146496
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San Quentin and Santa Rita are already releasing prisoners, who are expected to also quarantine for fourteen days. There were some bizarre expectations that they be released directly to transitional housing, which, no, that's stupid. Then the big idea was release to the isolation hotels but the staff and people already in those hotels are not trained for dealing with that, either. And while prisoners are counted as part of the homeless population, those hotels are being used specifically for homeless people who are symptomatic and tested positive for covid, which would just make everything worse.
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So apparently there are some testing sites in the bay area that are drive-through only. As in, you need a car to get tested. I can understand this is an attempt at social distancing, but ultimately it makes the assumption that everyone has a car which excludes a lot of people. It seems like a really dumb idea actually. Make sure to read the fine print when you choose a testing site.
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adoration for none posted:So apparently there are some testing sites in the bay area that are drive-through only. As in, you need a car to get tested. I can understand this is an attempt at social distancing, but ultimately it makes the assumption that everyone has a car which excludes a lot of people. It seems like a really dumb idea actually. Make sure to read the fine print when you choose a testing site. Also transit agencies are getting gutted lol
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adoration for none posted:So apparently there are some testing sites in the bay area that are drive-through only. As in, you need a car to get tested. I can understand this is an attempt at social distancing, but ultimately it makes the assumption that everyone has a car which excludes a lot of people. It seems like a really dumb idea actually. Make sure to read the fine print when you choose a testing site. just call an uber... lol
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CrazyLittle posted:just call an uber... lol Call an uber... when you think you might be infected... to go to the testing site. Wow. Good advice.
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God the NIMBYs are gonna use ‘rona as an excuse to slap back any kind of new dense housing for a generation, despite the connection being bullshit. And a good portion of “leftists” in the bay and elsewhere will cheer them on.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Call an uber... when you think you might be infected... to go to the testing site. Hold on, prepping my white van with no windows as an Uber for COVID testing sites complete with readily washable interior and air-sealed rear compartment so I can cycle around and make bank while bringing each next person through the testing line. What no I didn't have this made pre-COVID that would be ridiculous
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Still Dismal posted:God the NIMBYs are gonna use ‘rona as an excuse to slap back any kind of new dense housing for a generation, despite the connection being bullshit. And a good portion of “leftists” in the bay and elsewhere will cheer them on. It's going to be pretty bad. A new era of urban collapse.
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Still Dismal posted:God the NIMBYs are gonna use ‘rona as an excuse to slap back any kind of new dense housing for a generation, despite the connection being bullshit. And a good portion of “leftists” in the bay and elsewhere will cheer them on. gently caress dude didn't even think of this but God is it true
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Remember all the poo poo that was foisted on us because we were now living in a "post 9-11 world"? Eventually we will be living in a "post-Covid-19 world" and every kind of stupid poo poo will be foisted on us over that, too.
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Leperflesh posted:Remember all the poo poo that was foisted on us because we were now living in a "post 9-11 world"? Yup. Like mass surveillance being ramped up because people can't wear a mask? All the barricades at the beach Sunday we're moved so people could park there. Next we will see concrete barricades making a comeback on all cali beaches and parking spots.
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We saw this brief glimpse of the mask coming off about mass surveillance using cell phones. Like we all sort of know the government can do this and maybe does, but only in some fancy minority report room to track terrorists, but then Israel was like, no we can actually just do contract tracing on every single one of you people because we know everything from your biometrics to your favorite kind of porn all the time. It's tough not to be full tinfoil hat, but come the gently caress on.
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There's already some crytpocurrency dickhead funding a private network of ultra high definition security cameras in San Francisco that as of now covers something like 130 blocks and is expanding, and he's justifying it with "if we have perfect surveillance of public spaces, we won't need the police! I'm helping the left!" 
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CrazyLittle posted:just call an uber... lol One of the people at the testing site I talked to actually recommended this with a straight face. Yes, just call a guy to sit in line with me for 40 minutes while also potentially exposing him, great idea. E: tbf this was a guard at the site saying this. Still I was left with a very bad impression. This was the Allen Temple Baptist Church site in East Oakland. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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thank gently caress https://twitter.com/jollenelevid/status/1282742324297035776
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SD Unified is also likely to go online only. Yay Sucks for whatever Chudsyltippi students get sacrificed to the altar of Trump DeVos, tho.
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Cross posting from the COVID thread: https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/sta...umber%3D872pti9
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Sydin posted:There's already some crytpocurrency dickhead funding a private network of ultra high definition security cameras in San Francisco that as of now covers something like 130 blocks and is expanding, and he's justifying it with "if we have perfect surveillance of public spaces, we won't need the police! I'm helping the left!" So he read/watched "The Circle" and thought the author was giving away a great idea?
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The chuds are screaming about BLM ANTIFA COVID RALLIES, and that Newsome didn't get his government bailout and why must the small businesses suffer. God drat. Just walk into a blender already and do us a favor.
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Doc Hawkins posted:thank Okay now do Riverside pleaseeeee.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Meawwhile those of us teaching at the UCs have been preparing virtual classes since April. We've been contacting universities across the nation that do online classes for the subjects that we teach, reading up on the pedogology required for online classes, and have had essentially four months of prep time in order to carry this out, and it's still going to be somewhat of a rough ride. I thought I remembered this! I couldn't believe that the question was even coming up again months later: until there's widespread vaccination, you can't run any mass-congregate events. What loving dandelion-heads thought that they could wait and see??
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Boot and Rally posted:So he read/watched "The Circle" and thought the author was giving away a great idea? I suspect a lot of stuff these startups do comes from watching dystopian movies and thinking "yeah, that seems really cool!".
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I wonder if I still gotta go in for jury duty next week
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Okay now do Riverside pleaseeeee. Also CNUSD They've been following LA county's lead though so they probably will.
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Cross-Section posted:I wonder if I still gotta go in for jury duty next week Lol I've gotten summons every year and have never gone.
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Cross-Section posted:I wonder if I still gotta go in for jury duty next week I wonder why the jury selection process can't be done online? The one time I was summoned for jury duty I just sat in the courthouse waiting to see if I would get selected for a few hours and I wasn't. That could have easily been done without my physical presence. Even the trial can be done remotely. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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adoration for none posted:I wonder why the jury selection process can't be done online? The one time I was summoned for jury duty I just sat in the courthouse waiting to see if I would get selected for a few hours and I wasn't. That could have easily been done without my physical presence. Reading their COVID-19 page, it does seem that they are allowing for part of the process to be done at home with an online availability form, but I haven't actually seen hide or hair of the thing. Maybe on Sunday. And yeah, I know this is probably the safest time to ignore a jury summons, considering how current circumstances are weighing upon the court system, but I'm still a lame weirdo who doesn't like leaving things like this to chance Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Doc Hawkins posted:I thought I remembered this! I couldn't believe that the question was even coming up again months later: until there's widespread vaccination, you can't run any mass-congregate events. What loving dandelion-heads thought that they could wait and see?? Well that's not exactly true. So long as you have aggressive testing and contact tracing programs and bust up the super spreaders you can drop spread low enough that everything can go back to normal ish. The us is just so chucklefucked we've given up on trying. My family members living in Japan are back to almost full in-person school teaching.
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Whatever happened to that Cal/OR/WA/NV virus response collab? Or the other state collaborations across the country? It almost seemed like we were building something resembling a cohesive plan of action and they all just evaporated.
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