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Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Morter posted:

Easily? Goddamn I must've been playing a different game.

That said, the game was pretty gun porny for me at the time so no loss.
Redux is way more stealth friendly than the original version of 2033. Very clear and easily exploitable mechanics.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

There were absolutely some benefits to their previous structure as it allowed for A LOT of experimentation like Proton.

However, it is a bad practice if you want to actually make games.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

quote:

Keighley's account of Valve's history is blunt about the studio's lack of significant game launches during the '10s and about the issues they had in common—particularly that they all pulled the in-development Source 2 engine in different directions. "We sort of became the highest-paid blog post writers of all time," longtime Valve writer Jay Pinkerton admits, while other staffers talk frankly about the studio's reputation for spinning up multiple small projects and then watching them fall apart internally.
Ha ha ha ha... what a great way to put it

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

IMPORTANT Command and Conquer 1 advice that power crystals just gave me: "yeah either scatter ("X") or you have to just be on your feet to get out of the way"

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET SQUISHED :aaaaa:

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

That's good to hear. Left3Dead would sell like absolute loving hotcakes and an obscene amount of people are still playing L4D2, like one of the most populated games on Steam. It's rather absurb how much Valve is allergic to money and they've left so much money on the table by not doing it.

And if they really want to cement Steam against upcoming competition then exclusives like L3D, Portal3, HL3, Team Fortress 3, DoD2 (DOD:S sucked rear end but understandable because early source sucked), utilizing Campo Santo to make games instead of just farting off into the ether once they bought them, etc would go such a long loving way. Unfortunately I don't think Valve is, at current, up to it so it'll probably be rocky if they wanted to actually start making games again. I would really like to see Valve partner up with UWE like was originally intended and do Natural Selection 3, NS2 was such a dissapointing shitshow but NS1 was one of my favorite mfps games of all time.

Xaris fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 10, 2020

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

StrixNebulosa posted:

IMPORTANT Command and Conquer 1 advice that power crystals just gave me: "yeah either scatter ("X") or you have to just be on your feet to get out of the way"

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET SQUISHED :aaaaa:
And that's how micro was invented.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

StrixNebulosa posted:

IMPORTANT Command and Conquer 1 advice that power crystals just gave me: "yeah either scatter ("X") or you have to just be on your feet to get out of the way"

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET SQUISHED :aaaaa:
there is a loving button for that!?

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

Goons not reading the manual. For shame

Flimf
Sep 3, 2006

:siren: Curse of the moon 2 is out! :siren:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1257360/Bloodstained_Curse_of_the_Moon_2/

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

Edmond Dantes posted:

I really liked Exodus, but not as a Metro game. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great game, it just didn't feel... well, Metroy. And I don't mean the jump to open world in itself (although that may have contributed), just the overall mood of the game; the last level is the closest it gets to that 2033/LL feeling.


I think Exodus is the weakest of the trilogy. It's a real good game but... eh. It's trying to be more like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. but isn't willing to give up some of the more distinctly Metro elements either and the two don't mix quite as well as you think.

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

Reactor: Online
Sensors: Online
Weapons: Online

ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL

Mr. Fortitude posted:

I think Exodus is the weakest of the trilogy. It's a real good game but... eh. It's trying to be more like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. but isn't willing to give up some of the more distinctly Metro elements either and the two don't mix quite as well as you think.

Yeah, it's a good STALKER but a bad Metro. Again, I'm not saying it's a bad game by any stretch; I really enjoyed it for what it is, but was left wanting Metro.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Gotta admit, I'm not really quite seeing it. It felt fine to me, personally. :shrug:

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
Shipbreaker just updated with an option to play the campaign mode without shift timer and unlimited oxygen.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Exodus is the best one and has the lowest % of NPC-railroaded sections

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Exodus is great but the last section of the game was painful.

It was also annoying that there was no Ranger Mode (e.g. the real proper way to play the games). No "Hardcore Ranger" isn't the same thing.

I'll agree that Last Light is the best of the trilogy.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Edmond Dantes posted:

Yeah, it's a good STALKER but a bad Metro. Again, I'm not saying it's a bad game by any stretch; I really enjoyed it for what it is, but was left wanting Metro.

I loved Exodus and this is a good summary. It's like if STALKER was fun (hot take maybe but I can't get past STALKER's jank despite wanting to like it).

It has a lot less of the scrabbling around in tunnels and fearing the open sky that distinguishes the first two games, but it does what it does extremely well, I think.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Darkrenown posted:

Shipbreaker just updated with an option to play the campaign mode without shift timer and unlimited oxygen.

We're slowly getting closer to the day where devs realize they'll sell a ton more copies if they just build in all the cheat engine functionally people end up using.

Seriously, this was figured out years ago, I'm sure anyone played PC games in the 90s remembers more then a few cheat codes for their games. Now with the achievement/gamer-score atmosphere just include all the invincibility, inf ammo, inf money, noclip etc. and have the cheats just disable any achievement progression.

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

pentyne posted:

We're slowly getting closer to the day where devs realize they'll sell a ton more copies if they just build in all the cheat engine functionally people end up using.

Seriously, this was figured out years ago, I'm sure anyone played PC games in the 90s remembers more then a few cheat codes for their games. Now with the achievement/gamer-score atmosphere just include all the invincibility, inf ammo, inf money, noclip etc. and have the cheats just disable any achievement progression.

Very optimistic take over "they'll sell it as DLC" which is what they've been doing for years.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

anilEhilated posted:

And that's how micro was invented.

It's like '95 again.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

pentyne posted:

We're slowly getting closer to the day where devs realize they'll sell a ton more copies if they just build in all the cheat engine functionally people end up using.

Seriously, this was figured out years ago, I'm sure anyone played PC games in the 90s remembers more then a few cheat codes for their games. Now with the achievement/gamer-score atmosphere just include all the invincibility, inf ammo, inf money, noclip etc. and have the cheats just disable any achievement progression.
It's clinging to that last part that is how you get a game that launches out of EA, kills you in the opening cutscene through never before seen in all your beta feedback bugs. Then you belated realize hours later that spawning a working fire extinguisher rather than reload a fresh world disabled cheevos (Brand new 'feature' just in time for launch!), and you have to restart the game anyways to get the early ones :v:

If your game is good enough, people will come back to play it "The Real Way" anyways. It's the real reason people remember the Konomi code, because it let you practice to go back and beat contra a second time without it just because you felt like it.

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


Unreal_One posted:

Very optimistic take over "they'll sell it as DLC" which is what they've been doing for years.

i bought at least 1 of those giant blockbuster cheat code books back in the day

last game i cheated in was duping humanity in dark souls but i didnt have to pay for that

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Just gonna be a contrarian and say that the campaign is way better with limited time and oxygen, but I'm totally cool with someone not wanting that.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Yeah, if you don't have pressure, you have no reason to make mistakes, and gently caress up failure spirals are what make Shipbreaker's campaign fun imho. Sandbox is better for chill podcast poo poo.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


It is good to have options

Orv
May 4, 2011

Ainsley McTree posted:

It is good to have options

How loving dare you.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Section Z posted:

If your game is good enough, people will come back to play it "The Real Way" anyways. It's the real reason people remember the Konomi code, because it let you practice to go back and beat contra a second time without it just because you felt like it.
I think practice had little to do with it, it's more that we were all five to ten year olds and games were hard.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

I think my favorite compromise with games that let you cheat in the modern era is that if you cheat they disable achievements.

Basically I'm in the camp that's pro-player choice where you can play how you want, as long as it doesn't mess with multiplayer or cheevos.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Alright I did a Zachtronics thread. Feel free to hop in and correct me or post cool poo poo or something.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3932334

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

achievements should be outlawed

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Hwurmp posted:

achievements should be outlawed

having starscream's mug on my steam profile gives me great joy, so no

OzFactor
Apr 16, 2001
So in the end, what was the final verdict on Bloodstained? I consider Symphony of the Night one of my favorite games of all time, but I'm also one of those people who think Hollow Knight is the absolute pinnacle of the genre it created* and I'm not sure I could really enjoy playing something as floaty as SotN again. I took out my DS not that long ago and started Aria of Sorrow and after an hour thought "wow, was it always this boring?" So, addressing my fellow HK cultists: did you end up liking Bloodstained?

*Super Metroid is also one of my favorite games and I don't think we need to get into this

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


OzFactor posted:

So in the end, what was the final verdict on Bloodstained? I consider Symphony of the Night one of my favorite games of all time, but I'm also one of those people who think Hollow Knight is the absolute pinnacle of the genre it created* and I'm not sure I could really enjoy playing something as floaty as SotN again. I took out my DS not that long ago and started Aria of Sorrow and after an hour thought "wow, was it always this boring?" So, addressing my fellow HK cultists: did you end up liking Bloodstained?

*Super Metroid is also one of my favorite games and I don't think we need to get into this

It's basically all the good things about IGAvanias rolled together. It's not as good as Hollow Knight but that is kind of an unfair standard.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

OzFactor posted:

So in the end, what was the final verdict on Bloodstained? I consider Symphony of the Night one of my favorite games of all time, but I'm also one of those people who think Hollow Knight is the absolute pinnacle of the genre it created* and I'm not sure I could really enjoy playing something as floaty as SotN again. I took out my DS not that long ago and started Aria of Sorrow and after an hour thought "wow, was it always this boring?" So, addressing my fellow HK cultists: did you end up liking Bloodstained?

*Super Metroid is also one of my favorite games and I don't think we need to get into this

You played Metroid Fusion, yeah? That's my personal favorite in the genre. I know it's more linear than others but I really got into it. (not on PC sadly)

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

OzFactor posted:

So in the end, what was the final verdict on Bloodstained? I consider Symphony of the Night one of my favorite games of all time, but I'm also one of those people who think Hollow Knight is the absolute pinnacle of the genre it created* and I'm not sure I could really enjoy playing something as floaty as SotN again. I took out my DS not that long ago and started Aria of Sorrow and after an hour thought "wow, was it always this boring?" So, addressing my fellow HK cultists: did you end up liking Bloodstained?

*Super Metroid is also one of my favorite games and I don't think we need to get into this

Ritual of the Night is not quite Hollow Knight but it's pretty good and has good dress-up

OzFactor
Apr 16, 2001

StrixNebulosa posted:

You played Metroid Fusion, yeah? That's my personal favorite in the genre. I know it's more linear than others but I really got into it. (not on PC sadly)

I loved Fusion and Zero Mission. That reminds me that they did a remake of Metroid 2, which I loved when I was a kid. It was lonely and weird and scary.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

OzFactor posted:

So in the end, what was the final verdict on Bloodstained? I consider Symphony of the Night one of my favorite games of all time, but I'm also one of those people who think Hollow Knight is the absolute pinnacle of the genre it created* and I'm not sure I could really enjoy playing something as floaty as SotN again. I took out my DS not that long ago and started Aria of Sorrow and after an hour thought "wow, was it always this boring?" So, addressing my fellow HK cultists: did you end up liking Bloodstained?

*Super Metroid is also one of my favorite games and I don't think we need to get into this

I love HK and also consider it the best of it's kind and just hits the absolutely perfect dead-empire beats for me. I also played Bloostained several months back on Xbox Game Pass (which I originally got for Outer Worlds and man that game sucked complete rear end so at least I could play Bloodstained instead) and i loved it. It made me realize how much Castlevania I actually just missed in some ways that are missing in some other metroidvania games (and not that's that that's a bad thing per se) like lots ofaction, beating up demons, collecting poo poo, and wandering around and power-levelling/upgrading yourself into the stratosphere. It's basically SoTN but flashier. HK is great because it's a tighlty designed exploration game with some good action, but there's something to be said about the raw junk food energy of Castlevania games like Bloodstained

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Xaris posted:

That's good to hear. Left3Dead would sell like absolute loving hotcakes and an obscene amount of people are still playing L4D2, like one of the most populated games on Steam. It's rather absurb how much Valve is allergic to money and they've left so much money on the table by not doing it.

Even if they made a blockbuster game, how much would it make compared to what Steam is bringing in? The Steam money is so enormous that the company can afford to just basically gently caress around with an entire division for a whole decade and it won't show anywhere. Or ignore problems until they just become too big, because otherwise they won't chip your revenue at all.

It would be different if it was a publicly owned company. In those the management needs to wring out every penny out of the company in profit or the shareholders will sue.

The only drive the company as a whole will have to make any games is that the people in the company will really want to make games. (This is not a value judgement, that they "should" be making games. They can do whatever the gently caress they want)

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


There's something about finding a new weapon or shard and being excited to try it out and see what its swing arc is.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



Update on sorting my Steam library into a single page of categories. 58% done.

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explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I'm not going to hate you for doing it but I never really understood the obsessive categorization of your game library, I just sort by most recent and work from the top :shrug:

I do have one category and it's a place where I can shove all the bundle trash I picked up that I'll literally never play. The rest of the stuff I generally have an idea of what I own and will just search by name to play it.

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