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The Glumslinger posted:Each state has its own reporting guidance, but those are the total based on the daily numbers released today. States released their stats at different times so each one is a different 24 hour slice OK, so each number is a vague approximation but as long as the stats are consistently released over time we can draw reasonable conclusions from them. thanks for answering.
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Good news! We’re flattening the curve. Bad news! The curve is a million new cases every fifteen minutes.
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Everyone gets the virus but only the stupidest survive.
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Jul 11, 2020 04:44
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EL BROMANCE posted:Good news! We’re flattening the curve. I believe you meant to say they were Fattening the curve.
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Jul 11, 2020 04:45
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Hmmm.... Hey guys, when we said "flatten the curve" repeatedly were we accepting a vertical line as a solution?
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Jul 11, 2020 04:49
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Well if you don't test you don't have so many cases and if you turn this graph sideways the line looks flat. Much easier than kajiggering the dates!
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The Glumslinger posted:Each state has its own reporting guidance, but those are the total based on the daily numbers released today. States released their stats at different times so each one is a different 24 hour slice Yeah it's important to remember that the graph isn't "How many people got infected today" but "How many positive results from past tests were reported today". It's an indicator of how testing is progressing, and many states are hitting a limit on the number of tests they can administer per day and actually closing testing stations early because they're running out, plus there's going to be a huge number of asymptomatic or low-symptom people who never get tested anyway. The 'official' count will always be lagging by a day or even a week (or more!) behind the tests and will never be an accurate reflection of the actual rate of infection unless they start doing widespread random tests alongside targeted tests. (You also need to take into account the fact that a lot of the test kits in the US aren't super accurate but that's a whole other kettle of fish)
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah it's important to remember that the graph isn't "How many people got infected today" but "How many positive results from past tests were reported today". It's an indicator of how testing is progressing, and many states are hitting a limit on the number of tests they can administer per day and actually closing testing stations early because they're running out, plus there's going to be a huge number of asymptomatic or low-symptom people who never get tested anyway. The 'official' count will always be lagging by a day or even a week (or more!) behind the tests and will never be an accurate reflection of the actual rate of infection unless they start doing widespread random tests alongside targeted tests. To add to that, it's also not how many tests were performed that day, it's how many were processed and the results returned. In states with lots of cases, there are weeklong waiting periods to get the results back. You can get tested, but it's gonna be a long rear end time before you get your results back. Hospitalized patients also get priority for quicker testing over people with mild symptoms. And that percent of the population is going up fast enough to slow it down for healthier people. I wouldn't be shocked if the next important testing capability metric is average turn around time The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Jul 11, 2020 05:24
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I believe you meant to say they were Fattening the curve. Isn’t that how we make foie gras? Delicious, delicious population decimation.
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’I thought this was a hoax': Patient in their 30s dies after attending 'COVID party'quote:A patient in their 30s died from the coronavirus after attending what is known as a “COVID party,” according to health care officials.
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Jul 11, 2020 05:50
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FoolyCharged posted:Hmmm.... No, but they were accepting “run the hospitals at capacity 24/7”. It turns out that we can do way better than that, but expectations have been set low. Less ICU capacity would have saved lives, in that it would have forced people to confront the pandemic earlier, ultimately resulting in fewer infections.
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Jul 11, 2020 06:01
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Someone I know in Cochise County (Arizona) cut his finger open and went to the ER, which he said was empty. Are they diverting people from the ER who may be contagious or something?
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WrenP-Complete posted:Someone I know in Cochise County (Arizona) cut his finger open and went to the ER, which he said was empty. Are they diverting people from the ER who may be contagious or something? When I went to the ER for an injury they checked my temp and asked about COVID symptoms before I even went into the main area after the entrance doors. So yeah probably.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Someone I know in Cochise County (Arizona) cut his finger open and went to the ER, which he said was empty. Are they diverting people from the ER who may be contagious or something? In the UK, people have been avoiding the ER unless it really is an actual emergency. Turns out that a very large proportion of the people clogging up the ER in normal times never needed to be there in the 1st place.
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zer0spunk posted:i mean yeah, disney is trying to recoup losses of being shutdown, and yeah they are a major contributer to floridas economy Eventually enough people will be dead or at least incapacitated to the point where there is a cascade failure in supply chains, and then it all just sort of 'stops'. Disney world will be closed then
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zer0spunk posted:i dont know if this is real, but god drat We lost some dude named Richard Rose, but is Romeo Rose OK? We need his genes to repopulate the earth
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Pistol_Pete posted:In the UK, people have been avoiding the ER unless it really is an actual emergency. Turns out that a very large proportion of the people clogging up the ER in normal times never needed to be there in the 1st place. Eh it's not just that people go to the ER when they shouldn't. There's also been a notable decrease in people going to the ER with what turns out to be early or mild signs of heart attack and stroke. People aren't suddenly having less heart attacks and strokes, but they are more reluctant to seek medical attention. Referrals for cancer screening is also well down. Covid isn't just going to kill or hurt people directly by infecting people but also in terms of preventative medical care or by having other treatable illness go undiagnosed for longer. Also without extremely robust urgent care clinics that fill the gap between what a GP can handle in the office and what is truly a medical emergency, people don't have a lot of other options besides going to the ER. Nor do GPs, who often have to tell someone to go to the hospital for treatment that isn't necessarily an emergency but is urgent and can't wait however long for a chain of referrals and future appointments.
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zer0spunk posted:over/under on disney closing in florida after reopening tmrw? i say 3 weeks but i feel like that's generous https://mobile.twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1279065358062637056 e: oops mixed up the Disney parks 
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Why do we care so much about shunting people from the ER to urgent care centers? ERs cost insurance companies more money, but isn’t it ultimately an accounting trick? It doesn’t actually take a great deal more resources to handle issues in the ER. It’s a profit center for hospitals, to the extent they can bill someone who can and will pay, and that’s not a problem that urgent care centers solve.
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Jul 11, 2020 07:52
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Enfys posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1279064779735175169 Disney World is in Florida.
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Enfys posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1279064779735175169 The agents of Grandfather Nurgle look a little different than I expected.
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Jul 11, 2020 07:57
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They repainted the castle pink and blue for this reopening. Pink for your fluid filled lungs, blue for your face when you lose the ability to extract oxygen from the air.
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Fatkraken posted:They repainted the castle pink and blue for this reopening. Tell the CHUDs it’s the trans pride colors and maybe they’ll stay away in protest.
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zgrowler2 posted:So I live in Alabama and our city made masks mandatory in public spaces starting this past Monday. Went to Target on Monday for my first grocery run in 3+ weeks because I don't trust the public not to be godawful and maybe now that more than 20% of them are wearing masks it'll be fine. Yeah, seeing people do poo poo like this is is what makes me worry about fomites. For hygiene purposes you should just assume that everything in your cart got sneezed on a few moments before you picked it up.
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Enfys posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1279064779735175169 I can only guess what that shitshow of embeds is meant to be expressing, but for anyone who doesn't know this lass, she got covid pretty early on and she got it at one of the big theme parks. Now thousands more can have the Jenny Nicholson Experience! She's a hyuuge Disney fan so it's good she's speaking out against them opening.
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I knew that she was a superfan, and I knew that she got COVID early, because she said that’s how she ended up watching all fourteen Lands Before Time, but I didn’t know that her disease was Brought to You By the fine folk at Disney.
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So hey, this Israel curve? It's actually a lot worse than that. I talked to a dude from israel and they're literally doing what trump wants: Slow down testing. Israel also claims to have a 1.8% mortality rate which is like, 1/3 of most well-performing countries. Said isreal dude immediately let me know that apparently they don't test dead bodies, so a lot of covid fatalities are not reported as covid fatalities. And of course, it's summer right now and apparently tons of people are going to the beaches in tel aviv because ?????. And those are of course also places with the most slowed down testing.
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Platystemon posted:I knew that she was a superfan, and I knew that she got COVID early, because she said that’s how she ended up watching all fourteen Lands Before Time, but I didn’t know that her disease was Brought to You By the fine folk at Disney. I dunno if she actually got it at Disney as I swear I thought I heard about her getting it from Knott's? Regardless, even most of the disney thread here on SA is with her in that the theme parks shouldn't be opening.
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That would only be the second most deadly disease spread by Walter Knott. Dude was a major Nixon booster. 
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gently caress Man posted:My funeral director friend just won a bid with our city to create mobile freezer morgues. "What if food truck but meat wagon"?
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I dunno if she actually got it at Disney as I swear I thought I heard about her getting it from Knott's? The Disney Food Blog youtube is a loving trip right now. All this being said, with a mandatory mask policy and what appear to be pretty good social distancing measures, the florida parks are probably safer than most of the grocery stores there, for locals at least. Deliberately coming to florida for a Disney holiday on the other hand...
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Fatkraken posted:The Disney Food Blog youtube is a loving trip right now AJ is a sweetheart as a person, but her beliefs are garbage. I worked for her for a while. But she is absolutely thin blue line capitalism is god type. The DFB youtube doesn't surprise me at all. E: edited for clarity but also DFB gets a hell of a kickback from Disney. We wrote some really stupid articles and I quit over one that was so unethical I just couldn't (it was about something pre-covid)
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Mithaldu posted:Said isreal dude immediately let me know that apparently they don't test dead bodies, so a lot of covid fatalities are not reported as covid fatalities. Also, I hear through the grapevine that docs in a hospital system in my area - one of the best in the world - are supposed to report only one cause of death. So, someone dies of heart attack and stroke and pneumonia, it gets reported as heart attack or whatever. A lot of docs are still putting down covid-19 as the obvious cause of death in cases like that, but certainly not all of them are. Also note that underreporting fatalities has a much bigger impact on the case fatality ratio than underreporting cases. If you thought that 1 person out of 100 died from covid and it turns out that 5 did, those four extra people bump your CFR up to 5%. But if you thought that 1 out of 100 died of covid and it was really 1 out of 104...you're still almost at the same CFR as you were before.
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Mithaldu posted:So hey, this Israel curve? I wonder how the Palestinians are holding up through this. Has anyone seen any info?
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There Bias Two posted:I wonder how the Palestinians are holding up through this. Has anyone seen any info? Well, it turns out that they’re being systematically killed by the Jewish state.
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Zugzwang posted:This is common. I've heard lots of US doctors in podcast interviews etc. saying they don't usually test the dead. Not because the docs don't want to, but there aren't even enough tests available for the living, soooo I still wonder what makes the difference in mortality rate. 1.8% is preposterously low. I suspect that a lot more american docs mark dead people as covid, based on symptoms, than israel.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:AJ is a sweetheart as a person, but her beliefs are garbage. I worked for her for a while. But she is absolutely thin blue line capitalism is god type. The DFB youtube doesn't surprise me at all. I really wanna hear more about this, if you're happy sharing. If you are ok sharing but don't wanna derail then pm me...
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Zugzwang posted:This is common. I've heard lots of US doctors in podcast interviews etc. saying they don't usually test the dead. Not because the docs don't want to, but there aren't even enough tests available for the living, soooo Yes it's indeed common. It's been said many times already but the only statistics that will be significant is going to be to total increase in mortality, and this is where you will see how much countries have been underreporting or plainly trying to hide the truth.
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