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Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
remember this guy thought a good way to stop criticism of him was to confront a physician with security guards for backup for physical intimidation at the physician's house

idiot is a giant idiot fucker

also yes, chasing off half the province's doctors and putting the health care system immediately in the trash will definitely get you reelected

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Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008


I'd hazard this is across the board in all highly educated professions. My mom just took a paycut to get a new job outside Alberta. She says at least half her office is in the process of moving or looking for a new job outside the province. She did work in the goverment, says she really saw the writing on the wall.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


From what I've heard about docs and Alberta that number is probably low. Even if 42% is accurate, it will be skewing hard towards younger docs leaving, and the situation is even worse than that because basically no new grads are going there.

cougar cub
Jun 28, 2004


I had no idea teen vogue is on the cutting edge of social commentary. I feel old.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

CommonShore posted:

From what I've heard about docs and Alberta that number is probably low. Even if 42% is accurate, it will be skewing hard towards younger docs leaving, and the situation is even worse than that because basically no new grads are going there.

Not to mention totally gutting the budget of uni's in province. I was looking to do a masters at UofA due to the departments funding and family in province. The political situation and cuts in funding have totally removed that as an option.

Nairbo
Jan 2, 2005

Just in case anyone thinks they're bluffing, here's a letter I received two weeks ago from my GP in Calgary. He was the best GP I've ever had and was only a few years into his practice but was exceptional at what he did and made my wife feel comfortable after she's been treated like poo poo by virtually every other doctor she's had after having Toxic Shock Syndrome and taking years to get properly diagnosed for PCOS.

Gone to Ontario. gently caress you Shandro, you loving lying snivelling little poo poo.

https://i.imgur.com/23VS6ml.jpg

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

cougar cub posted:

I had no idea teen vogue is on the cutting edge of social commentary. I feel old.

https://twitter.com/teenvogue/status/1132475218067378176

Oh you don't even know

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



CommonShore posted:

From what I've heard about docs and Alberta that number is probably low. Even if 42% is accurate, it will be skewing hard towards younger docs leaving, and the situation is even worse than that because basically no new grads are going there.

Ive also heard that its disproportionately rural doctors that will be leaving, which is extra hilarious since that's the UCP voting base.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Fashionable Jorts posted:

Ive also heard that its disproportionately rural doctors that will be leaving, which is extra hilarious since that's the UCP voting base.

tired: transfer payments in cash

wired: transfer payments in highly skilled workers

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

But will rural Albertans care at all? I've got relative there, my impression is that the UCP making Alberta worse off than the maritimes would please them because it will own the libs.

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Virtual Russian posted:

But will rural Albertans care at all? I've got relative there, my impression is that the UCP making Alberta worse off than the maritimes would please them because it will own the libs.

I could see a few rural boomers getting mad that their doctors have gone missing and they now have to make a 2 hour drive to edmonton to get their pills, but yeah, they'll probably just blame trudeau.

Classon Ave. Robot
Oct 7, 2019

by Athanatos
The idea that anyone in Alberta is going to blame anyone other than Trudeau for the loss of 50% of their doctors is completely absurd. I think the Conservatives are aware that as long as Trudeau's in office they can do whatever they want, even moreso than usual.




Lmfao Albertans deserve everything they get.

Classon Ave. Robot has issued a correction as of 18:45 on Jul 10, 2020

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Classon Ave. Robot posted:

The idea that anyone in Alberta is going to blame anyone other than Trudeau for the loss of 50% of their doctors is completely absurd. I think the Conservatives are aware that as long as Trudeau's in office they can do whatever they want, even moreso than usual.

"We wouldnt need to fire all of these doctors if we didnt have to make transfer payments!"

Nairbo
Jan 2, 2005

Classon Ave. Robot posted:

The idea that anyone in Alberta is going to blame anyone other than Trudeau for the loss of 50% of their doctors is completely absurd. I think the Conservatives are aware that as long as Trudeau's in office they can do whatever they want, even moreso than usual.




Lmfao Albertans deserve everything they get.

tbh I didn't even notice this. It's probably an olive branch to his overwhelmingly boomer former patients, most of them in the waiting room at a loving walk-in clinic were not wearing masks despite several signs on the way in saying it's mandatory.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

posters: "saying 'gently caress rurals' makes us not want to be here"

actual rurals: "we shall do things that make you want to curse us every day, forever"

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight
shandro is also the guy who responds to bad reviews of his wifes business by emailing people on his government account to threaten to send police after them

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

violent sex idiot posted:

shandro is also the guy who responds to bad reviews of his wifes business by emailing people on his government account to threaten to send police after them

no joke, please tell us the name of the business so we can participate in direct action and tank their ratings on google maps.

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight
its called vital partners inc. it was a whole big thing before the world ended. the first ucp budget cut funding for healthcare services his wifes company provided insurance for.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
A mere tasting of the things Tyler Shandro - Giant Boy Detective has done in his.. short time in office.

1) Used AHS data to try to silence the critics of his wife. (Janice Fraiser and Wing Kar Li)
2) Showed up at a doctors house who dare post a meme about his wife to yell at him.
3) Threaten to post the salary of every doctor because the tore up the agreement in which doctors operate in the province, during a pandemic, and refuses to go back to the bargaining table.
4) Launch an app that tried to push out said doctors during a pandemic as the billing codes for remote appointments werent even set up when doctors tried to use it.
5) just listen to this

https://www.sprawlcalgary.com/shandro-fiasco

Anyways we're all gonna die because Kenney sucks and baby loving idiot sucks, can't wait to get pounded by austerity and poo poo political decisions to the point our health care system collapses because morale sucks, all the good doctors moved away and the remaining ones have PTSD from getting kicked in the taint publicly while having to deal with entitled Albertans during a pandemic.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Classon Ave. Robot posted:

The idea that anyone in Alberta is going to blame anyone other than Trudeau for the loss of 50% of their doctors is completely absurd. I think the Conservatives are aware that as long as Trudeau's in office they can do whatever they want, even moreso than usual.

When I canvassed for the Alberta NDP, so many voters told me they'll never support Notley because they don't Trudeau. It as if everyone who isn't a Conservative is one big blob of socialists to this mindset.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Just get out, to where I don't know, but leave. I enjoyed my time in Alberta, but I'm so glad I'm not there now. It's going to be as bad off as the maritimes soon, but without a culture used to poverty and defeat, that cannot end well.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

come to BC. it’s safer here

Classon Ave. Robot
Oct 7, 2019

by Athanatos
If you can afford to live in Victoria that's probably the least lovely part of the country taking weather into account. If not I guess you can go to Nanaimo, it's... fine.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Chamale posted:

When I canvassed for the Alberta NDP, so many voters told me they'll never support Notley because they don't Trudeau. It as if everyone who isn't a Conservative is one big blob of socialists to this mindset.

they're all pork-brained buffoons who never had to try and have an original thought in their heads so long as they could suckle the tarsands teat, and they'll now gladly march themselves to their own economic deaths because a bloviating harper crony told them to

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Attention KW goons:

I am in the early stages of putting together an organizing committee for a chapter of the Democratic Socialists of Canada for the region.

https://www.democraticsocialists.ca/

If you're interested or want to know more about the admittedly young organization, feel free to visit that site or get in touch with me here.

In particular, the podcast is quite good and will give you a good idea of what political aims the DSC is aiming for.

I'd purchase DMs, but it's not a great time to spend money on this site, so if I get some response here, I'll post my alternate email as a contact or we can connect over discord.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Virtual Russian posted:

Just get out, to where I don't know, but leave. I enjoyed my time in Alberta, but I'm so glad I'm not there now. It's going to be as bad off as the maritimes soon, but without a culture used to poverty and defeat, that cannot end well.

albertan revanchism

Nairbo
Jan 2, 2005
losing our family doctor is what finally convinced my wife and I to leave this province after two years. She’s been happy making good money as a nurse with AHS relative to the rest of the country but with Bill 32 set to certainly pass, killing union strengths, and the AHS union up for renewal, there’s zero chance the UCP doesn’t roll back their wages and start doing layoffs to their staff. it’s going to be an awful province to be a nurse or other healthcare worker in for the foreseeable future and I wish I could stay because I actually kinda like Calgary. Raising a young child here isn’t feasible though and the CHUDs will keep voting against their own interests until the end of time.

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

PhilippAchtel posted:

Attention KW goons:

I am in the early stages of putting together an organizing committee for a chapter of the Democratic Socialists of Canada for the region.

https://www.democraticsocialists.ca/

If you're interested or want to know more about the admittedly young organization, feel free to visit that site or get in touch with me here.

In particular, the podcast is quite good and will give you a good idea of what political aims the DSC is aiming for.

I'd purchase DMs, but it's not a great time to spend money on this site, so if I get some response here, I'll post my alternate email as a contact or we can connect over discord.

not a political party. what does it do? ask one of the neo lib parties to please not act neo liberal?

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Yeah the DSA makes sense in an American context (even then their strategy is kind of suspect), but not at all in Canada. I think people on the Canadian left, including here, jerk themselves too hard on the "Canada is America but 10 years behind" idea. Our government structure, ethnic and linguistic composition, and even political culture (Multiculturalism is too sacrosanct here, even the conservatives won't directly touch it) are too different. Just because a bunch of conservative politicians are parroting republican talking points doesn't mean that it's going to work here. Not without serious modifications.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Virtual Russian posted:

I'd hazard this is across the board in all highly educated professions. My mom just took a paycut to get a new job outside Alberta. She says at least half her office is in the process of moving or looking for a new job outside the province. She did work in the goverment, says she really saw the writing on the wall.

its loving amazing that alberta had years and years of extracting the most important commodity on the planet and nothing to show for it

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

That's not true, my F350 is almost paid off!

Classon Ave. Robot
Oct 7, 2019

by Athanatos

mila kunis posted:

its loving amazing that alberta had years and years of extracting the most important commodity on the planet and nothing to show for it

It makes more sense when you take into account that Alberta is full of Albertans

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

PhilippAchtel posted:

Attention KW goons:

I am in the early stages of putting together an organizing committee for a chapter of the Democratic Socialists of Canada for the region.

https://www.democraticsocialists.ca/

If you're interested or want to know more about the admittedly young organization, feel free to visit that site or get in touch with me here.

In particular, the podcast is quite good and will give you a good idea of what political aims the DSC is aiming for.

I'd purchase DMs, but it's not a great time to spend money on this site, so if I get some response here, I'll post my alternate email as a contact or we can connect over discord.

hmmmm

https://twitter.com/MykaConners/status/1232521581014011904

WHO IS JOE ROBERTS?

The domain owner of democraticsocialists.ca is listed as Joe Roberts, resident of London, having created the website January 15th of 2020.

On his Twitter page, Roberts is a vocal fan of Bernie Sanders’ candidacy for US president. His pinned tweet is an endorsement for Kate Graham, a candidate for the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party. His profile picture on LinkedIn is himself, wearing a poppy while speaking from a lectern, with the American and Israeli flags behind him.

Roberts moved to Washington, DC in 2017, where he began working as Global Chief Advancement Officer for The Israel Project, a pro-Israel non-profit. (The Israel Project was formed in 2002 during the second intifada, in order to manage Israel’s public image while Palestinian rights were being violated. It closed in 2019.) Presumably while working for TIP, Roberts replied to a tweet by the State of Palestine twitter account. On June 22, 2017, @Palestine_UN tweeted: #Palestine elected vice-chair of Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination election! #CERD” Roberts, in his reply, said “#Antisemitism not high on their list of priorities.”

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Lol at joining a socialist party in canada and not joining the one that has already been outlawed when it got popular.

Tinestram
Jan 13, 2006

Excalibur? More like "Needle"

Grimey Drawer
For ten years you have been asking "who is Joe Roberts?"

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

PhilippAchtel posted:

Attention KW goons:

I am in the early stages of putting together an organizing committee for a chapter of the Democratic Socialists of Canada for the region.

https://www.democraticsocialists.ca/

If you're interested or want to know more about the admittedly young organization, feel free to visit that site or get in touch with me here.

In particular, the podcast is quite good and will give you a good idea of what political aims the DSC is aiming for.

I'd purchase DMs, but it's not a great time to spend money on this site, so if I get some response here, I'll post my alternate email as a contact or we can connect over discord.

I'm with everyone else that is skeptical, but I also always make a point of meeting people on the left no matter the org. I once sat through a Socialist Fightback meeting that included in an official capacity a twenty minute misinformed rant about the evils of post-modern theory.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

mila kunis posted:

hmmmm

https://twitter.com/MykaConners/status/1232521581014011904

WHO IS JOE ROBERTS?

The domain owner of democraticsocialists.ca is listed as Joe Roberts, resident of London, having created the website January 15th of 2020.

On his Twitter page, Roberts is a vocal fan of Bernie Sanders’ candidacy for US president. His pinned tweet is an endorsement for Kate Graham, a candidate for the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party. His profile picture on LinkedIn is himself, wearing a poppy while speaking from a lectern, with the American and Israeli flags behind him.

Roberts moved to Washington, DC in 2017, where he began working as Global Chief Advancement Officer for The Israel Project, a pro-Israel non-profit. (The Israel Project was formed in 2002 during the second intifada, in order to manage Israel’s public image while Palestinian rights were being violated. It closed in 2019.) Presumably while working for TIP, Roberts replied to a tweet by the State of Palestine twitter account. On June 22, 2017, @Palestine_UN tweeted: #Palestine elected vice-chair of Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination election! #CERD” Roberts, in his reply, said “#Antisemitism not high on their list of priorities.”

Yeah, this is a good catch, and something I read linked from this equally scathing article:

https://briarpatchmagazine.com/articles/view/show-me-the-socialists

So Joe being pro-Israel is definitely an issue, for the organization and for me personally. If the above quoted section was all I had to go on, I'd dismiss the org out of hand and look elsewhere.

The article I linked describes the DSC as a branding exercise more than a movement-building exercise, but then goes on to discuss the myriad ways socialists have failed to influence public opinion, policy, and party politics over the last fifty years, while smaller, local socialist orgs get mired in issues only relevant on a local level. Maybe a branding exercise that looks to the success of the DSA is precisely what's needed to jump start an openly socialist movement here? Also, it's worth noting that the DSC is working to develop a chapter presence and has a national convention planned for August of next year. I think there's reasons to think they really are trying to become a democratically-led organization and not just a social media presence.

While he is the national organizer, Joe is only one person in a growing org. I'm not going to ask any of you to listen to hours of the podcast, and delve into the org's facebook and twitter presence, but I have over the last few months because I was equally skeptical. What I've heard was enough to convince me that Joe's heart is in the right place on many issues other than Israel, and the org on the whole is worth tentative support.

But I chose to bring this here precisely because I wanted this kind of push back from CSPAM in particular, because while this place is cynical as hell, on the whole its instincts tend to be right. So what do you think?

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 00:59 on Jul 12, 2020

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Virtual Russian posted:

I'm with everyone else that is skeptical, but I also always make a point of meeting people on the left no matter the org. I once sat through a Socialist Fightback meeting that included in an official capacity a twenty minute misinformed rant about the evils of post-modern theory.

I think people are completely right to be skeptical. I sat on this org for months, listening to who they had on the podcast and how they interviewed them, and watching their social media presence, because after all, they are a new and untested org.

Black Sabas
Apr 29, 2015

mila kunis posted:

its loving amazing that alberta had years and years of extracting the most important commodity on the planet and nothing to show for it

that’s not true, we got a bunch of orphan wells out of the deal

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Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

PhilippAchtel posted:

I think people are completely right to be skeptical. I sat on this org for months, listening to who they had on the podcast and how they interviewed them, and watching their social media presence, because after all, they are a new and untested org.

I'd still attend, but I'll certainly be skeptical. Always better to build inroads at the end of the day.

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