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Joementum posted:Yes, that is the point they were making. disturbed to find myself agreeing with Joementum
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shame on an IGA posted:I'm just relieved that 120 posts in a few hours didn't mean Virgil died They weren't kidding about the reddit exodus.
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Joementum posted:I believe only one Chapo guest signed it and it's a pretty deep cut (though a good guest and a great episode). yeah the stephen pinker episode is an all-time classic. who knew he gave nick mullen the idea for meatwad kat williams
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Jul 11, 2020 06:42
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terrorist ambulance posted:latest ep was fine, it really was an amber all timer though. she got to take the posture of red scare contrarianism, talk about her subscription to financial times, her family in jail, talk about how the 1619 project is bad largely unprompted, etc. all the hits i'm genuinely curious the extent to which any material from the 1619 project is actually being used in schools. at least in public schools curricula is so restricted as is they really couldn't do much with it beyond the occasional supplement that's effectively ignored since it wouldn't be on any end of grade tests
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okay I'm actually listening to the episode now and the most offensive part is Will saying "toadstool from may-rio kart" what the gently caress dude
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Jul 11, 2020 07:14
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Breadallelogram posted:okay I'm actually listening to the episode now and the most offensive part is Will saying "toadstool from may-rio kart" what the gently caress dude People who say it that way really do deserve the wall.
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Joementum posted:I believe only one Chapo guest signed it and it's a pretty deep cut (though a good guest and a great episode). I was kind of surprised he signed it, though he has been on a twitter hiatus for a bit so maybe he will explain later
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Boredumb posted:I was kind of surprised he signed it, though he has been on a twitter hiatus for a bit so maybe he will explain later
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Boredumb posted:I was kind of surprised he signed it, though he has been on a twitter hiatus for a bit so maybe he will explain later The letter is so vague I don't really fault anyone for signing it, clearly they wanted some people way more on the left to sign it to complete their little stunt of seeming fair and diverse. Apparently he was asked about this: "Karp wrote in an email to the The Daily Princetonian that he signed the letter because he agreed with what he saw as its essential point: “the restriction of debate invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation.” “To me, as a democratic socialist, the proposition that employees should not be fired from their jobs for taking part in political debate seems like it should be quite straightforward, even blandly uncontroversial on the left,” he added. “Unfortunately, in this moment, that does not seem to be the case.” https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2020/07/harper-letter-princeton-affiliates-signed Paffgen fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Paffgen posted:The letter is so vague I don't really fault anyone for signing it, clearly they wanted some people way more on the left to sign it to complete their little stunt of seeming fair and diverse. As a democratic socialist I think the best place to defend my signing the stupid terf letter is in the Rich Fancyboy Times
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Paffgen posted:: "Karp wrote in an email to the The Daily Princetonian that he signed the letter because he agreed with what he saw as its essential point: “the restriction of debate invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation.” my god somebody stop this monster
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Crane Fist posted:As a democratic socialist I think the best place to defend my signing the stupid terf letter is in the Rich Fancyboy Times what the gently caress does the letter have to do with trans issues other than jk rowling and jesse singal signing it? the list of signees runs the gamut of epstein flight logs guys to left free speech people who don't want people to get fired for speech they make on private time. Everyone who signed it is just projecting their situation onto a vague, basically nonoffensive statement about open discussion and speech. It is laughable in that half that list has tried to get people fired for being pro-Palestine but the message itself isn't anything abhorrent.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:yeah the stephen pinker episode is an all-time classic. who knew he gave nick mullen the idea for meatwad kat williams If Stephen Pinker inspired meatwad Kat Williams, he should be fully exonerated
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Shipon posted:what the gently caress does the letter have to do with trans issues other than jk rowling and jesse singal signing it? Somebody made a tweet where they explained the "TERF dog whistles" in the letter. Honestly the majority of it is not persuasive at all. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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I mean, the problem with this kind of episode is that it's just boring. Chapo is an entertaining podcast because it's idiosyncratic, the people who make the show are very particular and have pretty odd beliefs sometimes, the guests are a pretty weird array, etc. The lack of intellectual rigor aids in that. It's very enjoyable but can't be taken super seriously. On the other hand, you look at the guest list for Taibbi's podcast thing (I think it's called Useful Idiots) and it's a completely predictable gallery of leftist people with an online presence. You already know exactly what they're gonna say and why. Boring-as-poo poo people with massive chips on their shoulder and a love for being a contrarian. You bring in Taibbi and pair him with Amber and that's pretty much what you're gonna get.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Chapo is an entertaining podcast because it's idiosyncratic, the people who make the show are very particular and have pretty odd beliefs sometimes, the guests are a pretty weird array, etc. The lack of intellectual rigor aids in that. It's very enjoyable but can't be taken super seriously. That said, I definitely acknowledge there's ton of people (not here, but we're talking subreddit types) who DO view it as an official Leftist © podcast that should be perfect in its views and I would buy an argument that Chapo has a better responsibility to make the distinction clear between entertainment and education.
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They do try to present as vaguley serious at times, its just that those episodes tend to be boring a poo poo, especially when they don't have any enthusiasm about the issue they're talking about
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Jul 11, 2020 13:37
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The 1619 is loving horrible if you have any kind of leftist understanding of history
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I generally like Amber but this episode was some weird contrariarian lib bs police and prison abolition have been significant offline political movements in a lot of places, seattle notably has had very active grassroots movements against a youth jail and police bunker that have been spearheaded by abolitionist PoC groups what a letdown
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Mr. Lobe posted:I generally like Amber but this episode was some weird contrariarian lib bs It's so funny cause any time they talk about the Dems working on compromise they talk about how dumb starting all negotiation from a compromised position is, but starting out with "Just get rid of all police" as a starting point is apparently both too far and something every lib is saying but also something that has no real support. Nevermind that it's lead to multiple major cities in the country, including the one these protests all began in, re-appropriateing huge chunks of police funding for actual social programs. It's like matt talking on a recent episode about how the protests have died down in intensity and have been wholly taken over by the dumb lib brain poo poo of painting black lives matter in front of trump tower and how the police have learned to just let it fizzle out. That's only true if you're spending your whole time watching the news or reading tweets from Op-Ed writers. The protests never really slowed down, the cops are still maiming and killing protestors in the street and it's still happening basically everywhere.
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littleorv posted:The 1619 is loving horrible if you have any kind of leftist understanding of history Is there a tl;dr on this? I'm certainly not going to read the thing and form opinions of my own on it, just give me the cliff's notes.
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PostNouveau posted:Is there a tl;dr on this? I'm certainly not going to read the thing and form opinions of my own on it, just give me the cliff's notes. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248
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If you want a materialist understanding of race, it begins (in America anyway) with Bacon's Rebellion. That was the bifurcating moment when American capital split the labor class of America along arbitrary lines of race. America's pretty particular because other places could play on ethnic conflict to split the labor class, but in the US that didn't really work as well at the time (because indentured servants and slaves were not even homogenous monads within a heterogenous group) so they went with blackness instead. That was exported to other colonies across the new world and worked to some degree, but it's more difficult to use race when the difference isn't as stark as 'white' or 'black'.
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I'm mostly upset that Will was being a little bitch by letting Taibbi talk up the role of journalism without an ounce of pushback when Will specifically has called out what the media class represents for virtually the entire chapo run. What the gently caress is that? I can understand a lot of the nuance in the rest of the episode even though I think it's weak poo poo but deconstructing this sanctity of journalism poo poo has literally been the main byline of tens of episodes over the course of the chapo run, so why let that poo poo slide? The rest of the crew really needs to get Taibbi back on just to slap him around about this stuff in repentance because that's ridiculous.
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Jul 11, 2020 17:37
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I don't like Taibbi so I didn't listen to this episode but looking at the people who're mainly reacting online to it (le epic tweetstorm lady who is obsessed with Chapo and the rest of the shitlib crowd) I am fairly sure I don't care that Will apparently was himself and too wimpy to challenge a bad guest.
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Why listen to the pod when you can synch toke with Matty C during his livestreams.
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I think we gotta admit that Taibbi is a cranky old man now. https://twitter.com/zlingray/status/1281817422656200704?s=19
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someone else wasn't a fan of the latest episode https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1282014826298929152?s=19
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slicing up eyeballs posted:post the patreon comments for the rest of us, let us bask in it COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I want to see funny Patreon comments, are the ones on Black Wolf Feed as funny? Compliments from the Chapo Discord: https://imgur.com/a/XRRJnCg https://imgur.com/a/TLYCkXf
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Gripweed posted:I think we gotta admit that Taibbi is a cranky old man now. that take baffled me when he said it on the show. first of all, how the gently caress is he gonna assert that everyone loved the pop music of the 60s at the time? he wasn’t even alive then. (e: this is kind of a lovely argument so i’ll add that if my experience is any indication, people constantly poo poo on whatever’s popular all the time. i don’t see how this was magically different back then.) second, just because white people aren’t picking up guitars doesn’t mean nobody’s making music with progressive politics. you’d think someone who writes for a music magazine would know that Hustle Hound fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Gripweed posted:I think we gotta admit that Taibbi is a cranky old man now. Whole lotta writers without editors on substack these days.
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Hustle Hound posted:that take baffled me when he said it on the show. first of all, how the gently caress is he gonna assert that everyone loved the pop music of the 60s at the time? he wasn’t even alive then. (e: this is kind of a lovely argument so i’ll add that if my experience is any indication, people constantly poo poo on whatever’s popular all the time. i don’t see how this was magically different back then.) second, just because white people aren’t picking up guitars doesn’t mean nobody’s making music with progressive politics. you’d think someone who writes for a music magazine would know that He writes for a music magazine that operates under the view that everyone did love the music of the 60s and it all went downhill from there.
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During the podcast talib said that liberals were trying to codify racial essentialism and race based policies back into the law, and that we should at the very least have an open debate about it. Why? Why do you want to debate on whether or not race should be codified in law when you also said that people fought for decades to remove it? Why would you even consider letting that position be held as legitimate. If you believe cancel culture is illegitimate, and should not be debated why do you believe that laws that say races should have different laws apply to them should? Isn't one far more dangerous and disastrous than the other? No one actually believes liberals would be interested in a good faith debate about it. No one in america cares about debate, no one should either. Do you think socialism became a dirty word through a marketplace of ideas? Or did the state use power and oppression to remove any remnant of class consciousness from the populace? Journalists are far more terrified of a working class with power that doesn't read their lovely articles than fascists who will kill them. miniscule12 fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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miniscule12 posted:Why? Why do you want to debate on whether or not race should be codified in law when you also said that people fought for decades to remove it? Why would you even consider letting that position be held as legitimate. not sure you get this whole "free speech" thing
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The Muppets On PCP posted:someone else wasn't a fan of the latest episode
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T. Bombastus posted:he signed the letter It was very funny seeing people calling him out for being a clout chaser desperately holding out for a job with Biden after he signed it
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