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Mereen was also an Iraq War allegory that would have been timely if Dance/Feast had been one book and come out on time.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Hey remember this? Game of Thrones is one of those weird examples where the higher the show's budget soared the more the quality plunged. It just started to look and feel cheaper even though they were able to show off more and more impressive stuff.
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Imagine how hosed up everything would be if they went with the original plan of seven seasons
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I think Meereen has another point, which is that once you exclude the notion of fate, destiny and cultural identity out of the mix you can easily reach the conclusion that Dany's journey should have ended at Slaver's Bay, an area as large and rich as westeros with huge societal problems where the common population actually admires Dany and views her as a savior, we see that ruling is hard but that Dany is willing to engage with the nuances of day to day life, she holds court for hours everyday and surrounds herself with genuinely loyal followers, in Meereen there is actually a Varys who wants her to stay, in Westeros the Varyses of the world never wanted her. So, of course it might have been long and bloated, but the point isn't just 'ruling is hard', in my opinion. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Jul 11, 2020 06:37
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Plot twist: instead of Dany going to Westeros to become everyone’s queen, she stays in Meereen and all the Westerosi characters eventually just come to her.
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Something tells me that Victarion is gonna make Dany come to westeros by capturing or killing one of the dragons.
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Jul 11, 2020 15:09
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That assumes another book.
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Jul 11, 2020 15:51
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mind the walrus posted:That assumes another book. This thread’s existence assumes a new book.
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Jul 11, 2020 16:08
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I've been posting in this thread for a decade. It exists on the technicality that a new book could exist.
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Cardiac posted:This thread’s existence assumes a new book. This thread exists on a self sustaining diet of hatred and keyboard goop
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mind the walrus posted:I've been posting in this thread for a decade. It exists on the technicality that a new book could exist. Schrodingers winds of winter.
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nine-gear crow posted:Game of Thrones is one of those weird examples where the higher the show's budget soared the more the quality plunged. It just started to look and feel cheaper even though they were able to show off more and more impressive stuff. It's because that extra money almost always goes to the cast once they realize the shows a hit and can demand whatever they want. You think Dink is sitting in his trailer talking to his agent about how the show is getting another few mill per episode and thank God they can finally afford more CGI dire wolves?
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While the cast was becoming more expensive, they were also burning a lot of that cash on ever more elaborate spectacles like battle scenes or dragon rampages, which also seem to have eaten up a lot of D&D's time and attention instead of, say, making the scripts good.
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I'm not sure they would have been much better. It's pretty obvious they have a completely... unique take on certain characters/plots. Jaime deciding that he "never really cared about the people" sticks out especially. I stumbled across /r/freefolk and it is possibly the only place that has greater hate for D&D (but not the absolute fucker).
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Did they not just have the standard TV thing where actor salaries double every season until the money's gone?
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Jaime was the worst dump they took on a character. In the books he was slowly turning a corner after he loses his hand. Which they do and then just throw it all away in the last season cause they’re fuckin hacks.
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crepeface posted:I'm not sure they would have been much better. It's pretty obvious they have a completely... unique take on certain characters/plots. Jaime deciding that he "never really cared about the people" sticks out especially. I stumbled across /r/freefolk and it is possibly the only place that has greater hate for D&D (but not the absolute fucker). I mentioned this in the immediate wake of GoT ending, but r/freefolk to this day still views GRRM as a wouldbe savior always on the verge of swooping in and "saving" the story with the "correct" version of the final act via the books. Only they're so blinded by their hatred for D&D that they fail to realize that GRRM 1) 's writing has severely diminished in quality since A Storm of Swords, 2) has no interest in finishing the series and hasn't for 20 years now, and 3) is going to give them roughly the same ending as D&D did so it's all moot at this point. All GRRM did was con two amazingly gullible, upward-failing rubes into finishing his story for him and then taking the heat for his garbage ending while he hosed off to go build a railroad with his dump trucks of HBO money. That's how the story ends: GRRM's septuagenarian fat rear end riding around his backyard on a train going "choo choo!" into the sunset and then being outed as a sexmonster by Twitter
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I figure Jaime and Cersei play a much smaller role in the hypothetical books, Jaime probably dies very early in TWOW, his arc effectively complete, he already decided he's going to let Cersei get executed, what more finality does he even need?
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Jul 12, 2020 06:26
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To kill her himself and get killed immediately afterwards, probably by somebody who saw him do it. Enter the world together, leave it together, and fulfill that one prophecy about her getting killed by her brother while he's at it cos hey why not
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whowhatwhere posted:While the cast was becoming more expensive, they were also burning a lot of that cash on ever more elaborate spectacles like battle scenes or dragon rampages, which also seem to have eaten up a lot of D&D's time and attention instead of, say, making the scripts good. Did GoT even do battle scenes really? Like the battle of Kings Landing in season 2 was good, and one of the very few I can even remember. I guess there was Castle Black and then Battle of the Bastards? Those were indeed terrible.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Invalid Validation posted:Jaime was the worst dump they took on a character. In the books he was slowly turning a corner after he loses his hand. Which they do and then just throw it all away in the last season cause they’re fuckin hacks. I could see him doing a full 360 but if that was a note from GRRM then D&D certainly were not capable of understanding it.
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hobbesmaster posted:I could see him doing a full 360 but if that was a note from GRRM then D&D certainly were not capable of understanding it. Same. I could definitely see him turning back to Cersei in the end and them dying together. I imagine he probably ends up being the one to kill her in the end-- and then maybe himself!
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PittTheElder posted:Did GoT even do battle scenes really? Like the battle of Kings Landing in season 2 was good, and one of the very few I can even remember. I guess there was Castle Black and then Battle of the Bastards? Those were indeed terrible. The Battle of the Blackwater Hardhome The Battle of the Bastards The Siege of Meereen The Field of Fire The Battle of Winterfell Dany Goes Nuts And Burns Down King’s Landing Those are the big ones I remember.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I figure Jaime and Cersei play a much smaller role in the hypothetical books, Jaime probably dies very early in TWOW, his arc effectively complete, he already decided he's going to let Cersei get executed, what more finality does he even need? I'm going to nerd post about this because Jaime is my favourite character, about midway through SoS he has a dream that is clearly prophetic in at least someways. He actually has a bunch of dreams throughout the series so the first time I read this I didn't even notice, but most of his dreams are about working out his inner trouble and conflict about who he is and who he wants to be or whatever, but he has one dream that seems particularly important because it's when he turns around his story and goes to Harrenhal to rescue Brienne, but also because he's literally using a weirwood stump as a pillow quote:The moss glimmered pale upon the stump where Jaime has rested his head. The moss covered it thickly he had noticed before, but the wood was white. It made him think of Winterfell, and Ned Stark's heart tree The dream starts with him in casterly rock and he gets confronted in the dungeon by Cersei, Joffrey and Tywin but only Cersei is holding a torch. I think think this is what clearly establishes it as a prophetic dream as this seems like clear symbolism with only Cersei being alive at the end of the book, but at the time of the dream all the Lannisters are still alive quote:beside Lord Tywin stood his sister, pale and beautiful, a torch burning in her hand. Joffrey was there as well, the son they'd made together, and behind them a dozen more dark shapes with golden hair. They then dip out but first Tywin gives Jaime a sword (another example of foreshadowing of something that will happen very soon in the actual story) quote:"Give me a sword at least" He then meets Brienne and gives her a matching sword. I think the colour being silvery-blue means this is supposed to represent the sword Ice which has been melted down into two matching swords. Jaime and Brienne then get confronted by what turns out to be the ghosts of the Kingsguard, which could be seen in the context of the dream as Jaime confronting his demons, but the way the Kingsguard members are described is very suspicious because it's also exactly how the Others are described by GRRM quote:Something was moving in the darkness, he could not quite make it out... and then quote:Brienne touched his arm. "There are more" So my favourite fan theory is that Brienne and Jaime will have some role to play in the fight against the others, and that they'll use the matching Valyrian steel swords that were made from Ice in someway A Typical Goon fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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There was that big fight where the Free Folk try to take the wall from the Watch. I remember that being pretty decent. Seconding Hardhome was good.
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Deptfordx posted:There was that big fight where the Free Folk try to take the wall from the Watch. I remember that being pretty decent. That also gave us Dave Hill, the savior of the series.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I figure Jaime and Cersei play a much smaller role in the hypothetical books, Jaime probably dies very early in TWOW, his arc effectively complete, he already decided he's going to let Cersei get executed, what more finality does he even need? Jaime 100% would've directly caused Cersei's death in the books rather than just rushing to die by her side like in the show. Maggie's prophecy came true in all other aspects and Tyrion's meant to be the "obvious" choice since he's noticeably younger than Cersei and Jamie, but Jamie's the second born of the twins.
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It has been 9 years since ADWD.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Jaime 100% would've directly caused Cersei's death in the books rather than just rushing to die by her side like in the show. Maggie's prophecy came true in all other aspects and Tyrion's meant to be the "obvious" choice since he's noticeably younger than Cersei and Jamie, but Jamie's the second born of the twins. Yeah Jamie being the cause of her death is almost on the level of R+L=J in terms of long-running theories that make too much sense.
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j/k of course what i wrote is pretty stupid.
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Invalid Validation posted:Jaime was the worst dump they took on a character. In the books he was slowly turning a corner after he loses his hand. Which they do and then just throw it all away in the last season cause they’re fuckin hacks. Quoting Lindsay Ellis on this but yeah they took one of the best redemption arcs on fiction and threw it in the garbage for absolutely nothing. I don't think Jaime will be quite as redeemed in the books but as long as he doesn't do a complete 180 by the end I can't see it being worse than what the show did.
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I want a tell-all special about the production of season 8.
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Jaime failing his redemption arc because he still loves Cersei is a thing I could see GRRM doing, and I very much doubt the show dudes were confident enough to try something like that on their own.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Jaime failing his redemption arc because he still loves Cersei is a thing I could see GRRM doing, and I very much doubt the show dudes were confident enough to try something like that on their own. Yea this would actually own. But you have to commit to that arc way harder than D&D did. And having Jaime teleport across the continent to abandon said arc is also pretty galling.
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Hasselblad posted:If Strong Belwas is NOT your favorite character, you are a simpleton. 
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Jamie probably did cause Cersei's death because it looked like there were sections of that room they may have been able to find temporary shelter from at least the deadliest parts of that collapse. But they just kinda gave up.
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idk I feel like the swamp lady prophecy is set up to make you think he completes the arc and does his kingslayer party trick again, but in the end it's actually a romantic murder/suicide as Dany is closing in.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Jaime failing his redemption arc because he still loves Cersei is a thing I could see GRRM doing, and I very much doubt the show dudes were confident enough to try something like that on their own. Yeah, I could see him having Jaime relapse in the end, or before the end. But GRRM starts Jaime on his redemption arc by revealing that he gave his honor and killed his king to protect the citizens of King's Landing from death by wildfire. D&D forgot that and had Jaime blithely talk about how he "never cared for them, innocent or otherwise." I doubt GRRM would have Jaime say anything of the sort if he were ever going to write the book where it would happen.
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