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ulex minor posted:we don't??? forgot we were in the terrible book thread, apologies
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ulex minor posted:we don't??? I’m pretty sure the ASoIaF diarrhea scene has come up somewhere in this thread.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I’m pretty sure the ASoIaF diarrhea scene has come up somewhere in this thread. I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
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Jul 12, 2020 21:26
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:That argument about how we don't describe characters taking a liquidy poo poo so why are we going to describe them getting raped and etc Well, given that we're talking about one or two sentence long references rather than descriptions that particular stupid argument doesn't apply here.
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Jul 12, 2020 21:35
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Patrick Spens posted:Well, given that we're talking about one or two sentence long references rather than descriptions that particular stupid argument doesn't apply here. Well itd be nice to have a quotation because I couldn't make it through 2 chapters let alone a trilogy
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RoboRodent posted:I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Nah there's a particular scene where Dany gets terrible diarrhoea as part of other stuff that's going on. It's gross but not much more gross than other things in those books, but it definitely sticks out in people's minds.
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Jul 12, 2020 22:17
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I don't have the books with me at the moment, but one of the major characters in the Inheritance books is the god of love/sex who takes the form of a prepubescent boy and regularly has sex. That was the particularly egregious one, there was something in Broken Earth like that too but it wasn't nearly as bad. Also, "bad faith"? I'm a lesbian, you dipshit. I don't appreciate heterosexual writers creating contrived plotlines that just coincidentally allow them to kill gay characters.
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Jul 13, 2020 01:01
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 really a shame they cut it from the show
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packetmantis posted:one of the major characters in the Inheritance books is the god of love/sex who takes the form of a prepubescent boy and regularly has sex. That's a spicy hot take, because it's entirely made up bullshit. He's the god of children, tricksters, and innocence, so he almost never has sex, ever. The book mentions that pedos took an interest in him when he spent a thousand-plus years as a slave, because pedos are interested in an immortal child (and many of them die for their hubris), but on the limited occasions he has sex he is either fully pubescent (when looking like a human) or a totally intangible god-form fusing with other gods in something that I guess could be described as sexual relations, if you want to stretch. He has sex twice in the book focused on him, both times not as a tiny child, and neither time is it described in explicit detail. One of the times he looks like a sixteen-year-old, but that's a far, far cry from looking like a six-year-old. You're not only being overly alarmist, you're being the kind of, yes, bad-faith alarmist who either deliberately makes poo poo up or doesn't actually give a poo poo and reports things based on half-remembered third-hand accounts.
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Jul 13, 2020 02:20
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Yes, excuse me, technically it's ephebophilia. My mistake.  It's even more loving disturbing that the god of childhood is having sex, but yes, I misremembered the book I only read a few chapters of because it was too goddamn creepy.
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Jul 13, 2020 02:50
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Nothing says authoritative source than lying about the content of something, and then admitting you only read a little bit of it before giving up because...it was creepy? Yeah, that fits with the lie you already told. Also lol at the idea that a sixteen year-old having sex is some rules-lawyer poo poo to justify loving kids. I have terrible news about actual sixteen year olds for you.
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Jul 13, 2020 02:58
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I didn't tell a lie, I misremembered. 
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Jul 13, 2020 02:59
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I don't want to turn this into 'defending a book I haven't read' or whatever but the author of Gideon the Ninth is a lesbian herself.
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Jul 13, 2020 03:31
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She's married to a man.
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John Lee posted:That's a spicy hot take, because it's entirely made up bullshit. Okay I take it back these books sound like real page turners
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John Lee posted:That's a spicy hot take, because it's entirely made up bullshit. God almighty. Imagine writing all this.
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Jul 13, 2020 03:49
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PYF terrible book you never read
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packetmantis posted:She's married to a man. uh, do you have a source on that? if you're trolling this thread you're doing a really lovely job of it http://threecrowsmagazine.com/tamsyn-muir-interview-there-is-a-lot-of-blood-on-my-dance-floor/
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Samuringa posted:PYF terrible book you never read Lmao I'm not gonna read through an entire book I hate just so I can dunk on it. I read more than enough of that slop Edit: I made no claims about the author themselves or their sexuality it couldn't be more beside the point tbh Jokerpilled Drudge has a new favorite as of 03:55 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Jul 13, 2020 03:52
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imagine reading literally one single line in her wiki page tho
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John Lee posted:
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She's married to paraTactician, the guy that the book is dedicated to. I don't know what to tell you.
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packetmantis posted:I didn't tell a lie, I misremembered. "There's a god of childhood who doesn't like having sex" becoming "There's a god of sex who is a child who loves having sex, boy these books sure are pedobait" is a hell of a misremember.
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Jul 13, 2020 04:09
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packetmantis posted:She's married to paraTactician, the guy that the book is dedicated to. I don't know what to tell you. Just spitballing here, but maybe when she says she's a lesbian, and says she's married, and uses the term 'spouse' for the person she's married to repeatedly and the term 'husband' never, you might want to reconsider
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packetmantis posted:She's married to paraTactician, the guy that the book is dedicated to. I don't know what to tell you. Is this some TERF poo poo where you think paraTactician is trans and therefore not actually a woman, or do you just not google people?
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Jul 13, 2020 04:54
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I wasn't aware pT was trans, and I don't tend to google people I haven't thought about in years, but thanks for telling me. So now that that's resolved and I know she's not the Erika Moen of fandom, the ending of the book still sucks rear end.
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Jul 13, 2020 04:56
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Just lol at the byline of the book tho. In fairness that was probably done by the editor
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packetmantis posted:I wasn't aware pT was trans, and I don't tend to google people I haven't thought about in years, but thanks for telling me. So now that that's resolved and I know she's not the Erika Moen of fandom, the ending of the book still sucks rear end. I don't know if she's trans, but since you're calling her a man and insisting her partner isn't a lesbian...
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Loomer posted:I don't know if she's trans, but since you're calling her a man and insisting her partner isn't a lesbian... Litigating her sexuality or the gender of her partner (no one being discussed here bothered to mention their pronouns literally anywhere, confusingly ) is just a bad idea all around. Honestly the Gideon the Ninth books just seem like pulpy stuff written for younger audiences. But if a grown rear end adult is recommending them then by all means tee off Jokerpilled Drudge has a new favorite as of 05:32 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Gideon's a blast. It's well written and cleverly constructed, and it's clear that Gideon dying at the end isn't "Hayes code" bullshit or whatever, for gently caress's sake. . It's the first book in a trilogy about necromancers, come on. Also Gideon and Harrow are far from the only queer characters, so it's not like it's punishing characters for having the temerity to be gay. It's not ~~great literature~~ or whatever, but not everything has to be.
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The book is pretty clear that there's no way for Harrow to bring Gideon back because of the way her soul was absorbed. That's why I'm so angry about it, that in a book literally about necromancers she can't be brought back from the dead. I guess there's still time for some other way to be brought up, but I'm not holding my breath. I preordered the second one before I realized who the author was, and it's already been pushed back once.
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Enough carping about books that may or may not be bad (or Bad); let's have some genuinely terrible books. Years ago, I was stuck at a boring job with nothing to do and nothing to read. The only books I could find were some pulp novels: Mack Bolan. The Executioner. Mack Bolan is a Dangerous Man*. Very Dangerous. All the Evil People fear him. All the Corrupt and Stupid People hate him. But all the True and Good People admire him, because he is True And Good, in addition to being Very Dangerous. (It's an (What is this trope called? The Evil Organization is simultaneously weak and strong; powerful and competent enough to control the city/country/world, yet easily out fought/outwitted by Our Heroes.) Our story begins (after telling us how Awesome and Dangerous Mack Bolan is and his Tragic Backstory), in some American city (might have been Cleveland), secretly being controlled by the Mafia. Mack Bolan shows up and immediately infiltrates the Mafia (he carries an Ace of Spades, which is somehow a Top Secret Pass). Inevitably, the shooting starts. And it's BORING. John Wick level body count, yet duller than dirt. Sample text: "It's Bolan!!" the Bad Guys shouted. And they all went for their guns. Bolan was ready for them. He triggered his handgun and shot them all, because he was faster and deadlier than them. "Bolan is here! Why can't you kill him?" yelled Mafia Stereotype Boss. He tried to run away, but Bolan was ready for him, because Bolan was smarter than him. Bolan triggered one last shot, and the boss died. A Grim Look came over Bolan's face. One hundred "made men" dead. But they would came back with a thousand more. Also, there was a woman, although she only existed to swoon over his Manliness and feel bad for his Secret Pain. And sex him, in a fade-to-black. And a stealth Winnebago. Then we are reminded (every chapter) that Mack Bolan is Dangerous (and various other complimentary/edgelordy adjectives). It's like Dick and Jane, with more violence and worse writing. Out of morbid curiousity, I flipped through the second book. IT WAS THE EXACT SAME PLOT. Same hagiography of Mack Bolan the Dangerous, same repeated Tragic Backstory, different city, different woman to adore (and presumably sex) Mack Bolan, different group of Mafia cliches to scream, yell, and die, same ^#$%@#ing exact boringly written action scenes. This went on for [checks wiki] 38 books. Presumably by then, the authors/ghostwriters had gotten sick of shooting Evil Americans, so Mack Bolan went abroad to shoot Evil Foreigners. For 263 more books, plus 93 "SuperBolan" novels. Not bad for Vigilante Mad Libs. gently caress, how did I remember this much from some crappy books I picked up once, years ago... *Capitalization my own. The actual books weren't that subtle.
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Inheritance trilogy sucked, broken earth trilogy is great, I couldn't even finish dreamblood. You want a creepy and gross sex scene though, here's an except from a book called Mermaid's Song I picked up for $1 in a used book shop. Elan felt his hardness press against her belly, so near the small hidden slit that ran vertically in the soft skin just below her navel. What filled her was something like hunger, but in her womb. His every movement against her was a promise of what was to come, and Elan felt her breath come faster. All she wanted was to begin the dance and finally to burst with the tension that smothered all her senses. A soft moan escaped with her breath and she saw the Nemu flinch at the sound, saw him struggling with her desire and his own (If we start, not stop we could.)His voice, and soon the meaning of his words, cut through the haze that enveloped her. Feeling his hardness and urgency, knowing how deeply she was woven into this spell, Elan is a mermaid, and Nemu is a dolphin. Dolphins are portrayed in this book as sentient but stupid.
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Cobalt-60 posted:(What is this trope called? The Evil Organization is simultaneously weak and strong; powerful and competent enough to control the city/country/world, yet easily out fought/outwitted by Our Heroes.)  Cobalt-60 posted:This went on for [checks wiki] 38 books. Presumably by then, the authors/ghostwriters had gotten sick of shooting Evil Americans, so Mack Bolan went abroad to shoot Evil Foreigners. For 263 more books, plus 93 "SuperBolan" novels. Not bad for Vigilante Mad Libs. Holy poo poo that's a lot of garbage books.  I'm almost impressed.
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packetmantis posted:
Didn't require any effort to write them. Just a master document, a spreadsheet, and some print merge. I'm just surprised people kept buying them. I'm no stranger to crappy pulp, but I couldn't even find these interesting. They couldn't even be (badly) gory, or sexual, or gun-porny. I presume the "umberto" icon references fascism? Cause I recall that being a fascist worldview, but I couldn't remember exactly what. Something about the dolchstosslegende?
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Cobalt-60 posted:I presume the "umberto" icon references fascism? Cause I recall that being a fascist worldview, but I couldn't remember exactly what. Something about the dolchstosslegende? It's a quote from his Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt. The quote in the smiley is from number 8, "The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies." Umberto Eco posted:When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.
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Piss Meridian posted:That's why I stopped listening to I Don't Even Own A Television IDEOAT had some great episodes but, yes, it seemed to go in a particular direction after s while. I also stopped listening. Mack Bolan was one example of many longrunnung one-man-army series. In my youth, I remember visiting a secondhand book shop and finding The Revenger 57, Remo Williams 34, The Incinerator 72 ... Are they left overs from the age of pulp literature? They sure have that feel. Bond is just a well-done example of the form.
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I’ve only recently started listening to that podcast, but I don’t see how they’re “making poo poo up” or telling lies based on third-hand accounts, considering that they actually read the books they discuss. I do get bored during the 15% of the show they devote to discussing old bands, though.
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nonathlon posted:IDEOAT had some great episodes but, yes, it seemed to go in a particular direction after s while. I also stopped listening. I think it's the kind of thing that evolved into airport fiction. Cheap, unchallenging reads for wasting time on a long trip or lazy day. Replaced by action movies and TV nowadays, I'd reckon.
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Piss Meridian posted:That's why I stopped listening to I Don't Even Own A Television i like the idea of IDEOAT and some of the episodes are very entertaining but they wring their hands over the most tedious things sometimes are there any other good 'bad book' podcasts? 372 Pages was decent i thought but i haven't listened to the stuff they've done after ready player one
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