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8one6 posted:I'm pretty sure that jeans went extinct or were made illegal in Federation space because they're comfortable and I don't see them ever going out of general use otherwise. Not unprecedented, polyester was banned because it catches fire in the transporter
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Tunicate posted:Not unprecedented, polyester was banned because it catches fire in the transporter Oh shoot that's why they bet scarves. The polyester is an alternative currency to latinum
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8one6 posted:I'm pretty sure that jeans went extinct or were made illegal in Federation space because they're comfortable and I don't see them ever going out of general use otherwise. Best low key hilarious moment on Enterprise was Silik rocking a leather jacket and jeans for a few scenes.
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bull3964 posted:First lower decks trailer. Looks like they're making the holodeck janitor article canon https://www.somethingawful.com/news/blue-stripe-life-4/
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I might be getting my wires crossed, but wasn’t the TNG S8 guy/Lower Decks showrunner a goon at one point?
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always got the sense that there were relatively very few ships in the Star Trek galaxy. Galaxy classes aren't meant to operate in "a wing" because there have only been 7 total in all the shows. With the shows being about the ships we tend to mix up Starfleet and the Federation, but as portrayed when we see Earth it seems like the vast majority of the population have nothing to do with space travel.
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Does anyone have that list of tng episodes that cuts out the chaff and flops? Trying to hook someone. I seem to remember a previous iteration of this thread coming up with one.
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Phraggah posted:Does anyone have that list of tng episodes that cuts out the chaff and flops? Trying to hook someone. I seem to remember a previous iteration of this thread coming up with one. I'm sorry but I'm not aware of any version that specifically omits dwight schultz
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Phraggah posted:Does anyone have that list of tng episodes that cuts out the chaff and flops? Trying to hook someone. I seem to remember a previous iteration of this thread coming up with one. S1 "Encounter at Farpoint" "Hide and Q" "Datalore" "11001001" "The Arsenal of Freedom" "Conspiracy" "The Neutral Zone" s2 "Where Silence Has Lease" "Elementary, Dear Data" "The Outrageous Okona" (gently caress you, experience bij!) "The Schizoid Man" "A Matter of Honor" "The Measure of a Man" (must watch) "Q Who" "Samaritan Snare" "Peak Performance" s3 "The Ensigns of Command" "Who Watches the Watchers" "Booby Trap" "The Enemy" "Déjà Q" "Yesterday's Enterprise" "The Offspring" "Sins of the Father" "Captain's Holiday" "Sarek" "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I" s4 "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II" "Family" (basically BoBW part 3) "Remember Me" "Reunion" "Data's Day" "The Wounded" "Devil's Due" "Identity Crisis" "The Nth Degree" "Qpid" "The Drumhead" "Half a Life" "Redemption, Part I" s5 "Redemption, Part II" "Darmok" (must watch) "Conundrum" "Cause and Effect" "The First Duty" "Cost of Living" "I, Borg" "The Inner Light" (must watch) "Time's Arrow, Part I" s6 "Time's Arrow, Part II" "Relics" "True Q" "A Fistful of Datas" "Chain of Command, Part I & II" "Ship in a Bottle" "Tapestry" "Birthright, Part I & II" "Descent, Part I" s7 "Descent, Part II" "Parallels" "The Pegasus" "Sub Rosa" "Lower Decks" "Masks" "Emergence" "All Good Things..." 8one6 fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Wow, Chris Pine reprised his role as Kirk on Robot Chicken tonight.
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Watched the one where Nog and Jake wind up on the Red Squad ship. Somehow I had completely invented a different ending for the episode. I remembered Nog eventually turning on the acting captain and leading a mutiny to get the ship back to Federation space.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always got the sense that there were relatively very few ships in the Star Trek galaxy. Galaxy classes aren't meant to operate in "a wing" because there have only been 7 total in all the shows. I always took that "Galaxy wing" line to mean the portion of ships led by the USS Galaxy, not an entire grouping of just Galaxy-class starships, for exactly that reason. I'm glad CGI gave DS9 more flexibility but I was never a big fan of turning starships into Spitfires in the Battle of Britain.
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McSpanky posted:I always took that "Galaxy wing" line to mean the portion of ships led by the USS Galaxy, not an entire grouping of just Galaxy-class starships, for exactly that reason. I'm glad CGI gave DS9 more flexibility but I was never a big fan of turning starships into Spitfires in the Battle of Britain. Yeah but we got that one money shot of two galaxy's double teaming a cardassian ship sooooooooooo
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8one6 posted:S1 Bomb. Thanks!
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McSpanky posted:I always took that "Galaxy wing" line to mean the portion of ships led by the USS Galaxy, not an entire grouping of just Galaxy-class starships, for exactly that reason. I'm glad CGI gave DS9 more flexibility but I was never a big fan of turning starships into Spitfires in the Battle of Britain. Yeah, I assumed it was like a carrier group, where one or two Galaxy classes sits in the middle of an appropriate mini-fleet set up with roles to support each other.
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, I assumed it was like a carrier group, where one or two Galaxy classes sits in the middle of an appropriate mini-fleet set up with roles to support each other. Would watch Battle Star Trek: Galaxy where after a devastating attack on the Federation a rag-tag collection of ships led by a Galaxy class have to flee to safety and try to find a new home.
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Senor Tron posted:Would watch Battle Star Trek: Galaxy where after a devastating attack on the Federation a rag-tag collection of ships led by a Galaxy class have to flee to safety and try to find a new home. Stop giving CBS ideas.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always got the sense that there were relatively very few ships in the Star Trek galaxy. Galaxy classes aren't meant to operate in "a wing" because there have only been 7 total in all the shows. But it was also no doubt because of $$ more ships = more money for optical effects shots. Nowadays it would be trivial, probably, to do all the space stuff in CGI and to show much higher traffic around DS9 than we generally saw.
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Senor Tron posted:Would watch Battle Star Trek: Galaxy where after a devastating attack on the Federation a rag-tag collection of ships led by a Galaxy class have to flee to safety and try to find a new home. There’s coffee in that singing nebula!!!
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Senor Tron posted:Would watch Battle Star Trek: Galaxy where after a devastating attack on the Federation a rag-tag collection of ships led by a Galaxy class have to flee to safety and try to find a new home. Didn't they establish that one of the reasons the Enterprise was off in uncharted space during the Klingon War in Discovery meant to be so that they could galactica out of there if the Federation lost? That said a Galaxy Class could probably cruise for 50 years to set up the Federation again on the other side of the galaxy in complete comfort. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Senor Tron posted:Would watch Battle Star Trek: Galaxy where after a devastating attack on the Federation a rag-tag collection of ships led by a Galaxy class have to flee to safety and try to find a new home. So basically a prequel to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_(Star_Trek:_Enterprise) ?
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I'm reminded of a very minor plot thread in the Culture books. One of the things that defines a Systems Vehicle (their biggest class of ship) is that it's basically a comprehensive cross-section of the Culture and generally anything that the Culture can do, a Systems Vehicle can do. There are a hundreds of thousands SVs, and at any time there'll usually be a few dozen that have volunteered to be Oubliettionaries, which means they empty themselves of crew, just come to a stop in a very quiet section of the interstellar void, shut down, and do absolutely nothing except keep an eye on the news for decades or centuries, with the idea that if there's ever a sufficiently disastrous event that wipes out the Culture, they'd be able to (either in this this galaxy or, after centuries cruising, another one) recreate a civilisation that could genuinely call itself a continuation of the Culture. Even repopulate human mind-state backups out to bodies over time and so on. Just in case.
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Are the Culture books any good? All of the descriptions of the series read like "What if starships could cast wish"
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They’re fantastic and fascinating. The books always follow people at the interface between the Culture and non-culture civilizations. I started with Use of Weapons and then read from the beginning once I was hooked.
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8one6 posted:s5 you sneaky bastard
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I tried to read the culture book that I think you are supposed to start with, and it had a really weird plot about being stranded on a island with cannibal cultists. I didn't finish the book because I got really busy, but I felt no desire to go back to it.
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Sir Lemming posted:you sneaky bastard Lwaxana Troi is the best Troi and I will entertain no arguments to the contrary.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I tried to read the culture book that I think you are supposed to start with, and it had a really weird plot about being stranded on a island with cannibal cultists. I didn't finish the book because I got really busy, but I felt no desire to go back to it. That's Consider Phlebas, and it's the first one he wrote. He does not shy away from writing about the grotesqueries of "civilization" and typically plays them as a backdrop for anyone who says "Yeah well the Culture is a nanny state and that's bad". Here's your alternative to near-omnipotent beneficence morons! That said, it is not the best place to start. Start with The Player of Games.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I tried to read the culture book that I think you are supposed to start with, and it had a really weird plot about being stranded on a island with cannibal cultists. I didn't finish the book because I got really busy, but I felt no desire to go back to it. Yeah I didn't like that one, but the few others I read are better. Use of Weapons and Player of Games were pretty entertaining for me.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always got the sense that there were relatively very few ships in the Star Trek galaxy. Galaxy classes aren't meant to operate in "a wing" because there have only been 7 total in all the shows. Also, every time they seem to build up a huge fleet, something happens that results in the destruction of half the fleet, like Wolf 359.
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aparmenideanmonad posted:That's Consider Phlebas, and it's the first one he wrote. He does not shy away from writing about the grotesqueries of "civilization" and typically plays them as a backdrop for anyone who says "Yeah well the Culture is a nanny state and that's bad". Here's your alternative to near-omnipotent beneficence morons! I've tried and failed to get into Consider Phlebas (as my first Culture novel) like three times now. It's been a couple years since the last attempt, but I always fizzle out because of how goddamn boring Horza is as a character.
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8one6 posted:Are the Culture books any good? All of the descriptions of the series read like "What if starships could cast wish" People like to talk about the badassery bits but to be honest they're not the focus, they're just the frosting on the cake. The concept is about the struggles and dilemmas that might be faced by a society that has pretty much attained mastery of the physical universe. It's about them going 'should we' and 'how best do we' instead of 'can we'. Also, yeah, don't start with Consider Phlebas. Player of Games is a good starter. (in fact, most of it was written before Phlebas, but he had trouble finishing Games, and ended up writing Phlebas before he did). Phlebas is an odd one because the point of view is outside of the culture and the protagonist is a bad guy. Not even an antihero, just a bad guy. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Pascallion posted:I started with Use of Weapons and then read from the beginning once I was hooked. Ah, the full Use of Weapons experience.
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8one6 posted:"Sub Rosa" Thank you for including the Howard Family Sex Ghost in the list of indispensable TNG episodes.
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curiousTerminal posted:Thank you for including the Howard Family Sex Ghost in the list of indispensable TNG episodes. It is an important cultural touchstone in the Star Trek community. It would have been irresponsible for me to leave it out. Also it has Data and LaForge grave robbing.
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I read Use of Weapons and liked it a lot. One thing I thought was neat is that the AI characters were more complex and interesting than the humans, which fit the concept that humanity was governed by entities more advanced than they were. I thought it was cool that he watered down the human characters to do that. Then I tried to read one of Ian Banks' non-sci-fi novels and realized he's just bad at writing characters, and him trying to write a super advanced being had somehow fluked into him writing a character with any kind of depth. Anyway Use of Weapons is good. I never got around to reading more of them, I don't think my library had a lot of his work. His concept of an "out of context problem" was loving radical and is by far the thing that has stuck with me from that book. Basically any problem that defies the known laws of the universe is an "out of context problem", and since the Culture knows all the laws of the physical universe it means it's some serious poo poo. Picard's dumb evil robot signal should've been something like that instead of Mass Effect: Trek edition.
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Zonko_T.M. posted:His concept of an "out of context problem" was loving radical and is by far the thing that has stuck with me from that book. Basically any problem that defies the known laws of the universe is an "out of context problem", and since the Culture knows all the laws of the physical universe it means it's some serious poo poo. It's less physical laws of the universe and more that it's something that doesn't fit your conception of what the universe might end up throwing at you, something you can't prepare for because it's just not something you could properly imagine. EDIT: here's his description. quote:An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop. The usual example given to illustrate an Outside Context Problem was imagining you were a tribe on a largish, fertile island; you'd tamed the land, invented the wheel or writing or whatever, the neighbours were cooperative or enslaved but at any rate peaceful and you were busy raising temples to yourself with all the excess productive capacity you had, you were in a position of near-absolute power and control which your hallowed ancestors could hardly have dreamed of and the whole situation was just running along nicely like a canoe on wet grass… when suddenly this bristling lump of iron appears sailless and trailing steam in the bay and these guys carrying long funny-looking sticks come ashore and announce you've just been discovered, you're all subjects of the Emperor now, he's keen on presents called tax and these bright-eyed holy men would like a word with your priests. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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Voyager rewatch log S5 e2 Drone "... and he has built in transporters and is super smart and the Doctor's mobile emmiter is part of his brain and he has super cool future armor and everybody likes him..." E3 Extreme Risk Once again we learn that mental health care in the 24th century is garbage but Voyager did get a cool new shuttle. E4 In the Flesh A neat revisit with what to this point had been a purely antagonistic foe with the Species 8472 spy training town. I liked that someone remembered that Voyager was a Star Trek show and they managed to find a non-violent solution. E5 Once Upon a Time Cute but skippable. E5 Timeless I'm a sucker for time travel stories and it was neat to see the frozen Voyager.
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8one6 posted:E4 In the Flesh Nah, the real charm in this episode was them bringing back Ray Walston as Boothby.
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