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Are Vissers the highest rank in yeerk society, are these pretty much the first and third in command of the entire empire?
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 12:29 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 04:40 |
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Avalerion posted:Are Vissers the highest rank in yeerk society, are these pretty much the first and third in command of the entire empire? SirSamVimes posted:IIRC (yeerk hierarchy spoilers???) there is a "Council of Thirteen" above the Vissers (who may also be ranked in numbers, I don't think the book ever spells it out) and an emperor above them disaster pastor posted:I think it's the Andalite Chronicles that mentions that the emperor is actually one of the Council of Thirteen, but nobody outside the Council knows which member of the Council is the emperor, both so they're shielded from assassination attempts and so the title doesn't go to their head.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 12:31 |
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Oh cheers, missed those.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 12:59 |
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Also, as we've seen here, Three doesn't give humanity much credit. He hates being here except insofar as it's a chance for glory and he thinks very little of humanity. Even if someone suggested that maybe an Andalite did give humans morphing, I think it's very likely that he'd dismiss the possibility simply out of his disdain for humans.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 13:49 |
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I really get the sense that everything going on on earth is really playing to Visser Three's weakest points. Like, the guy is practically built to Darth Vader his way through entire planets but here he just can't do that and, having never developed other skillsets, is basically floundering. If Visser One was still running the show we'd probably be screwed.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 16:11 |
As we find out, if Visser One was in charge it would have been over before it began. She is ferociously competent and cold-blooded in the extreme.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 20:40 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:As we find out, if Visser One was in charge it would have been over before it began. She is ferociously competent and cold-blooded in the extreme. Visser One's book is one of the stand-outs of the series imo. I remember portions of it being very distinctly alien.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 22:49 |
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All of the Chronicles books were really really good imo, and Visser is basically one of them.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 23:03 |
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Tree Bucket posted:I really need a Visser 2 Stupid Death Montage now Visser Two, Eldash-214, Cause of death: Host instantly combusted upon arrival on Hork-Bajir Homeworld Visser Two, Vindaar-378, Cause of death: Blade Ship emerged from Z-Space on the event horizon of a black hole Visser Two, Kelsam-4377 (the Primary), Cause of death: Murdered and replaced by Kelsam-4377 the Secondary in a fit of jealous rage Visser Two, Kelsam-4377 (the Seconary), Cause of death: Accidental poisoning related to "Taxxon bodily fluid", further investigation needed Visser Two, Arndish-112, Cause of death: Dracon beam misfire Visser Two, Gerthim-047, Cause of death: Carol Visser Two, Ulnarf-656, Cause of death: [DATA ERROR - POSSIBLE TEMPORAL ANOMALY] Visser Two, Zirkan-150, Cause of death: Stampede of giant bird-like creatures Visser Two, Eldeth-247, Cause of death: Military parade mishap Visser Two, Viirath-777, Cause of death: Fell into Earth Grand Canyon chasing wayward $20 currency notation Visser Two, Orlan-912, Cause of death: Mild Treason Visser Two, Tirmak-530, Cause of death: Experimental robot malfunction Visser Two, Galaf-028, Cause of death: "Host's chest exploded, small unidentified lifeform emerged from the body" Visser Two, Minaar-379, Cause of death: First contact with higher dimensional being Visser Two, Rantash-002, Cause of death: Suicide, three dracon blasts to back of head nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Jul 13, 2020 |
# ? Jul 12, 2020 23:19 |
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The Predator-Chapter 18quote:They marched us down a hallway. Rachel, still in her huge elephant body, filled the hallway like our ant bodies had filled the tunnels in the sand. Tobias rode on my shoulder, unable to fly in the cramped space. This is sort of the worst thing for Marco, because the Yeerk didn't just steal his mother. The Yeerk stole the memory of his mother. How can he know how much of what h e remembers about her and about their relationship is real, and how much is just a Yeerk playing the role> quote:One thing was sure. Her death had been faked. The so-called drowning accident. No body recovered. Atta girl. quote:<At least we can hurt them a little before they catch up with us,> Jake agreed cautiously. Thank god for the dysfunctional nature of the Yeerk military. quote:"You will have to deal with any of Visser Three's troops you encounter between here and the escape pod," the gold-clad Hork-Bajir said. "Leave. Now." Same. quote:<Rachel!> Jake yelled. <Keep moving. Left tunnel. Look for a dropshaft, whatever that is. Because it's short, pretty much an epilogue, I'm throwing in Chapter 19 too The Predator-Chapter 19 quote:I guess there's no such thing as a nice graveyard. But the place where my mom is remembered is as nice as it can be. And on that note, we end Book 5. What did people think? Like it? Dislike it? I think it's probably my favorite of the books so far, and a lot of that has to do with the narrative voice. I think in a lot of ways, Marco has the strongest personality of the protagonists and it comes through in the narration, which is a lot more self referential and ironic than the other books have been. It's also, for lack of a better word, emotionally deeper, if that makes sense. It's willing to be honest with the character's emotions more than the other books have, I think. So, tomorrow we start a new book, Book 6, the Capture.
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# ? Jul 12, 2020 23:57 |
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I'd agree, it's my favorite of the books so far too. When I was a kid I had a hard time deciding who my favorite character was but on rereading the series it's definitely Marco.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 00:22 |
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Book 5 is very very good. If the next book is the one I'm thinking of...
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 03:31 |
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SirSamVimes posted:Book 5 is very very good. If the next book is the one I'm thinking of... It is. It's also probably the book in the main series that's stayed with me the most
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 04:43 |
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I’d have to agree that Marco is the best narrator, so far. I will say that having so much of this stuff focused around these random teenagers bothers me, though. Tom is one! Then the vice-principal! Then the Kandrona is located underneath their school. Then Marco’s mother is the host for Visser One! Just seems off, to me. That aside, I also think Marco’s plan to keep his mom a secret is sort of doomed to fail, unless he’s never gonna let any of them(aside from Jake) into his house.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 05:44 |
Khizan posted:I’d have to agree that Marco is the best narrator, so far. Just wait until he finally talks Rachel into his bed.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 07:00 |
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wizzardstaff posted:I'd agree, it's my favorite of the books so far too. When I was a kid I had a hard time deciding who my favorite character was but on rereading the series it's definitely Marco. It's weird how different everyone else's opinions have been compared to mine. At the time I think I found his character the most annoying.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 07:26 |
Yeah, I think I like Marco best, and Rachel gets a lot of depth to her too. They're all honestly really good characters. The tobias-Ax bromance is excellent too.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 08:25 |
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We don’t really have a clear picture of how far reaching the infiltration is, if half the towns population has been yeerked then it wouldn’t be that weird.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 08:57 |
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Oh hell yeah I had no idea there was an Animorphs read thread going on
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 10:02 |
Avalerion posted:We don’t really have a clear picture of how far reaching the infiltration is, if half the towns population has been yeerked then it wouldn’t be that weird. I don't think we ever really do. They're very clearly limited in terms of manpower, but they seem to have a lot of very well placed hosts.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 10:43 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Visser Two, Eldash-214, Cause of death: Host instantly combusted upon arrival on Hork-Bajir Homeworld Ms Applegate? I-is that you?
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 11:05 |
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Khizan posted:I will say that having so much of this stuff focused around these random teenagers bothers me, though. Tom is one! Then the vice-principal! Then the Kandrona is located underneath their school. Then Marco’s mother is the host for Visser One! Just seems off, to me. I could be misremembering, but I think a big part of that is (maybe spoiler?) the Yeerk invasion actually began in their town, in their area, so the strongest concentration of controllers, and their main pool, ended up being there, even after they started spreading their tendrils out to the rest of the world.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 13:33 |
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I think the "Everything happens to these kids in this town" thing is just one of the things you have to put up with for the sake of the narrative. There's not really a better explanation than "a god did it."
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 13:51 |
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CidGregor posted:I could be misremembering, but I think a big part of that is (maybe spoiler?) the Yeerk invasion actually began in their town, in their area, so the strongest concentration of controllers, and their main pool, ended up being there, even after they started spreading their tendrils out to the rest of the world. It definitely started on the West Coast, because Visser One thought the way to take over humanity while preserving most of the host bodies was through secret, cultural domination using Hollywood and pop culture. We find out near the very end the kids are living in a West Coast city. Some readers have proposed Ventura, California based on some similarities (nearby large forests, a zoo right by an amusement park) which would place it near LA but further/quieter enough that Yeerk infestation might be less noticed. It's unclear if Elfangor knew this and intended to go there, but given how much the Ellimist is involved it makes sense he would land right near the heart of the invasion.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 14:19 |
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Fuschia tude posted:It's weird how different everyone else's opinions have been compared to mine. At the time I think I found his character the most annoying. Same. My favorite character as a kid was Tobias, I related a lot to being an extreme misfit and loner. Marco, Rachel, and Jake came across to kid me as being too smart/popular/cool for me to like or relate to. I only really warmed to Rachel in one of the later books where there's an alternate timeline where Nazis took over the US and Rachel isn't present because she's in a reeducation camp for not being a meek, submissive woman. That made Rachel click for me and made me reevaluate everything I'd felt about her.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 14:35 |
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Fuschia tude posted:It's weird how different everyone else's opinions have been compared to mine. At the time I think I found his character the most annoying. Yeah I remember Marco annoying the poo poo out of me. I also remembered the ants but not the lobster or the spaceship/Visser 1 reveal, so clearly my memory wasn't great. Marco annoyed me, Cassie was cool and I wanted to hang out with her, I liked Tobias, Jake just seemed like a reskin of Power Rangers' Jason without any characterization whatsoever, and Ax was funny. I don't remember what I thought about Rachel. On this reread, Marco's definitely been the most interesting though I enjoyed being in Tobias' head since there's a lot of implied feeling going on that I totally missed last time.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 16:37 |
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I never read the books as a kid, so it's interesting for me to listen to people who did and are reading it again now, and find out how their feelings have changed. I get the feeling that there's a lot of stuff in the books I notice that probably would have gone over the head of ten or eleven year old me, especially some of the more subtextual stuff and implications (i was not a subtle kid). So, thank you all for all of this
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 16:58 |
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Kids aren't subtle in general. Most of us probably didn't register the whole "Tobias trying to commit suicide" thing when we first read it as kids.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 18:14 |
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I mean you could argue it's also the intervention of the Ellimist? He picked these kids as his 'players' for a reason, the reason being not only that the invasion started in their area so they'd have more motivation but the familial connections Marco and Tobias have.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 18:28 |
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PetraCore posted:I mean you could argue it's also the intervention of the Ellimist? He picked these kids as his 'players' for a reason, the reason being not only that the invasion started in their area so they'd have more motivation but the familial connections Marco and Tobias have. So...a god did it?
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 18:38 |
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:It definitely started on the West Coast, because Visser One thought the way to take over humanity while preserving most of the host bodies was through secret, cultural domination using Hollywood and pop culture. We find out near the very end the kids are living in a West Coast city. Some readers have proposed Ventura, California based on some similarities (nearby large forests, a zoo right by an amusement park) which would place it near LA but further/quieter enough that Yeerk infestation might be less noticed. It's unclear if Elfangor knew this and intended to go there, but given how much the Ellimist is involved it makes sense he would land right near the heart of the invasion.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 18:54 |
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Epicurius posted:So...a god did it? Spoilers for basically the entire drat series: He all but explicitly says that he pulled things together just right to have Tobias, Marco, Ax and Cassie be on "the team." It's a neat way to give a canon explanation to the "everything happens to these kids in this town" conceit. So we get to wonder what pieces Crayak played in response: i.e., would Chapman have been a Controller even if the Animorphs weren't attending his school, or was that Crayak's manipulation?
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 20:33 |
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disaster pastor posted:Spoilers for basically the entire drat series: He all but explicitly says that he pulled things together just right to have Tobias, Marco, Ax and Cassie be on "the team." It's a neat way to give a canon explanation to the "everything happens to these kids in this town" conceit. So we get to wonder what pieces Crayak played in response: i.e., would Chapman have been a Controller even if the Animorphs weren't attending his school, or was that Crayak's manipulation? Also did the Cassie thing play into the timetravelling Wrong Hitler book at all? That felt really tacked on. Did it... ever play out anywhere else? The Sario Rips? Daikloktos fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jul 13, 2020 |
# ? Jul 13, 2020 22:21 |
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Book 6-The Capture, Chapter 1quote:I'm Jake. Like every book so far, we go through the standard opening. quote:Tom is a Controller. A slave to the Yeerk in his head. If he knew who I really was - what I really was - he would have me killed. Or turned into a Controller, like him. Again, it's the horror of dealing with somebody who you know is just not them. There's an actual mental condition out there called Capgras Syndrome which is linked to dementia. People with it think that their loved ones have been replaced by identical duplicates. Psychiatrists think it has something to do with facial processing. Normally, when people see the face of their loved ones,they have a stronger emotional response than they do if they see strangers. People with Capgras don't show this. quote:I waited till Tom was gone. I was alone. It was time. I'm so proud of him. He's actually practing a morph before using it! quote:Cockroaches are not my favorite animals. But I knew a cockroach would be ideal for penetrating a guarded building. Roaches can go any where. Morphing is once again disgusting. quote:The roach brain wanted to take a nap. Oh dear.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 23:03 |
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disaster pastor posted:Spoilers for basically the entire drat series: He all but explicitly says that he pulled things together just right to have Tobias, Marco, Ax and Cassie be on "the team." It's a neat way to give a canon explanation to the "everything happens to these kids in this town" conceit. So we get to wonder what pieces Crayak played in response: i.e., would Chapman have been a Controller even if the Animorphs weren't attending his school, or was that Crayak's manipulation? Spoilers for the guy you mention:Chapman gets involved in the Andalite-Yeerk War way before the Animorphs show up as students at his high school. As in, he's the first human to make contact with yeerks (but maybe doesn't remember it?). Like you say, it's arguable how much Ellimist and Crayak directly engineered of the series' events, because we just aren't told in detail, but his being so intertwined in the history of everything could definitely suggest he's one of Crayak's "pieces."
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 23:05 |
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[spoilers all] The other big cosmological entity is The Time Matrix. It's said to have been created by The Ellimist by the Andalites, but it doesn't get mentioned in The Ellimist Chronicles at all. The Skrit Na dug it up from under the Pyramids, which the Chee (also not mentioned) had a hand in building. And I don't discount the Na as mindless in their pursuits.
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# ? Jul 13, 2020 23:48 |
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The silliest coincidence I remember, the one around shark jumping territory, is that right off the coast of the centrepoint of an alien invasion of earth there also happens to be a decaying society of underwater pre-humans And actually, this town also being the centre of Chee civilisation? Unless that's only one of many outposts.
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# ? Jul 14, 2020 03:22 |
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all the "other alien" stuff was really dumb to me. like, the series is about kids turning into animals to fight aliens because they got the mighty morphin' power from another alien. the whole expanded setting is dumb.
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# ? Jul 14, 2020 03:37 |
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Radio Free Kobold posted:all the "other alien" stuff was really dumb to me. like, the series is about kids turning into animals to fight aliens because they got the mighty morphin' power from another alien. the whole expanded setting is dumb. EDIT: What I like is that the Chee primarily care about dogs, and mostly care about humans as a sort of extension of their actual focus, which is dogs, because humans also care about dogs and take care of dogs. The dogs are the important thing, when Chee want to defy their pacifism to fight for earth it is entirely because of the dogs, and humanity is an afterthought. I thought that was really funny and endearing.
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# ? Jul 14, 2020 06:15 |
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PetraCore posted:Agree to disagree on the basis that the Chee are good. The rest I can mostly do without. I have no idea what any of this means, but I can really sympathise with it
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# ? Jul 14, 2020 06:44 |