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Arist posted:Abby's story was just generally more interesting Very much agreed. It also felt like Ellie's part had more "rummage through 20 rooms" sections I'll admit, the game has a bit too much rummaging.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:20
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If you guys want a quick source on what people who despise playing as characters you don't want to have a beer with think of the game here's one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ACgoIEv_M Arist posted:Abby's story was just generally more interesting Yeah, she was just vibing after she'd got her revenge. No more pressing goals happening right now, back to her nightly nightmares of her dad dying over and over again.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:21
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I swear to God, if YouTube plays me that goddamn Arknights ad ONE MORE TIME "At the speed of light..." aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAA
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Jul 13, 2020 21:23
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RareAcumen posted:If you guys want a quick source on what people who despise playing as characters you don't want to have a beer with think of the game here's one. just to be sure, because I'm not clicking it and I'm confused by that description, these are morons right?
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Jul 13, 2020 21:25
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precision posted:Very much agreed. It also felt like Ellie's part had more "rummage through 20 rooms" sections I am continually amazed at how I always manage to find exactly one bullet on an enemy who seemed to be very plentifully-supplied with ammunition.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:27
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Necrothatcher posted:just to be sure, because I'm not clicking it and I'm confused by that description, these are morons right? They all appear to be streamers so yeah
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Jul 13, 2020 21:33
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s I think so you know the fireflies are gone for good Sorry if this has been argued to death, but I thought that the Fireflies weren’t gone and that radio call was legit?
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precision posted:Very much agreed. It also felt like Ellie's part had more "rummage through 20 rooms" sections The only thing with Abby's section that really bugged me was the whole business of saving Yara, only for her to get shot offscreen a little while later. It's fine from a story perspective, but from a video games perspective I felt like the game was loving me around and giving me boondoggles to eat the time, and that made me start thinking about the main point of whatever Abby was doing was actually to get her in particular places at particular times. But she had more interesting sequences and a wider variety of environments than Ellie does in her first segment. Imhotep posted:Sorry if this has been argued to death, but I thought that the Fireflies weren’t gone and that radio call was legit? Yeah, the implication is that the Fireflies exist and that Abby and Lev make it to them.
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Jul 14, 2020 03:01
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Necrothatcher posted:just to be sure, because I'm not clicking it and I'm confused by that description, these are morons right? A lot of people in the comments are still struggling over 'muscles...on woman...that are unpossible! woman to are look like Pprincess Peach!' so yeah you're on the right track.
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Jul 14, 2020 04:58
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Perfectly Safe posted:Yara ... shot offscreen Yara is uhhhhh distinctly not shot off screen. She’s actually arguably the most “shot on screen” character in the whole game.
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Jul 14, 2020 04:59
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I can see Yara getting a lot of stuff cut from a 5 day version down to 3 on Abby's side, since I don't know what exactly gets expanded 2 days for her.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:34
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The extra 2 days would just be you tearing it up at the gym
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Jul 14, 2020 05:51
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I needed a scene featuring Abby repping out some heavy squats while being spotted by Manny. Maybe Owen watches from a distance, pathetically horny. The absence of this makes this game, in fact, Bad and Problematic
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Jul 14, 2020 05:58
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Sinten posted:I needed a scene featuring Abby repping out some heavy squats while being spotted by Manny. Maybe Owen watches from a distance, pathetically horny. The absence of this makes this game, in fact, Bad and Problematic The FF7Remake squat minigame but it's Abby with a Barbell
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Jul 14, 2020 06:26
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I do wish the game was helmed by someone less insuferrable and terrible, it would make discussing it's failings/strengths a lot easier.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:54
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Dewgy posted:Yara is uhhhhh distinctly not shot off screen. She’s actually arguably the most “shot on screen” character in the whole game. You're right, for some reason I remembered it as her getting shot by some rando as you were climbing through the window and not directly afterwards. Doesn't change the fact that it's a mean, trivial death.
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Jul 14, 2020 11:10
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None of the deaths in this game feel heroic. Aside from that Haven Brute. That guy was a champion.
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Jul 14, 2020 11:34
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Stormgale posted:I do wish the game was helmed by someone less insuferrable and terrible, it would make discussing it's failings/strengths a lot easier. Can you tell me exactly what makes him terrible please because i'd love to know If its that he was passionate about this game then don't bother actually
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Jul 14, 2020 12:20
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HampHamp posted:Can you tell me exactly what makes him terrible please because i'd love to know https://twitter.com/Campster/status/1282918531751976961 https://twitter.com/Campster/status/1282919574841810944 Stormgale posted:
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1271521910661287936 https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1271542911583182848 Shall I go on? Actually I Will, working the people in his studio to the bone to make a videogame is the only thing i'd need to mention but the above is just icing.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:33
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Since TLOU2 came out I've listened to a few podcasts with Druckmann in it and he didn't come across as an rear end in a top hat. I don't think any of the stuff you posted changes my mind - and I'd probably respond in the same way too if I was in the crosshairs of a chud hate machine.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:43
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Necrothatcher posted:Since TLOU2 came out I've listened to a few podcasts with Druckmann in it and he didn't come across as an rear end in a top hat. I don't think any of the stuff you posted changes my mind - and I'd probably respond in the same way too if I was in the crosshairs of a chud hate machine. Sorry I don't give the guy who stated "I'm gonna take advice from trans people and then ignore it because i'm just writing a character" much credit. I get you liked the game but going "Man he oversaw incredible crunch but he just made a game I like" seems a bit silly. Stormgale fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 12:45
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Stormgale posted:Sorry I don't give the guy who stated "I'm gonna take advice from trans people and then ignore it because i'm just writing a character" much credit. you've really got a talent for putting words in other people's mouths huh
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Jul 14, 2020 12:49
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Necrothatcher posted:you've really got a talent for putting words in other people's mouths huh Is him overseeing/encouraging crunch enough to call him an rear end in a top hat, cause it was in the post you said "nothing there makes me think he's an rear end in a top hat".
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Jul 14, 2020 12:52
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i think that every video game ever above a certain scope has tons of crunch, i think thats just how games get made. This is also the gayest game ever made so you have to give him some credit there.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:53
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Stormgale posted:Sorry I don't give the guy who stated "I'm gonna take advice from trans people and then ignore it because i'm just writing a character" much credit. Honest question because I've not caught up but whats the problem with the trans representation?
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Jul 14, 2020 12:53
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PriorMarcus posted:Honest question because I've not caught up but whats the problem with the trans representation? Check the thread around the post of myself I quoted, should be that page and the next there are some good posts on it. TLDR: Trans pain is so interwoven into almost every piece of trans representation in "Big" media (AAA movies, games, etc) that while A character having their transness be part of their suffering is a fine story choice in abstract, it perpetuates a wider narrative and cultural tone, that has no positive and uplifting or just fun stories to counterbalance. Caesar Saladin posted:i think that every video game ever above a certain scope has tons of crunch, i think thats just how games get made. This is also the gayest game ever made so you have to give him some credit there. I'm gonan take this sincirely and say, maybe if you limit it ot the AAA space this is true but there are much better and more interesting queer games out there.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:55
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Stormgale posted:Is him overseeing/encouraging crunch enough to call him an rear end in a top hat, cause it was in the post you said "nothing there makes me think he's an rear end in a top hat". none of what you posted, and that I quoted, mentioned crunch. You have posted: 1. Druckmann complimenting a journalist about an article he wrote and was interviewed for 2. Him saying congratulations to someone I am told is a shithead (he may well be, but this feels like guilt by association) 3. You wilfully misreading a quote you have been called out on before 4. Him clarifying his comments on the dumbass Schindler's List comparison in a way that makes sense to me
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Jul 14, 2020 12:57
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Necrothatcher posted:none of what you posted, and that I quoted, mentioned crunch. I'm gonna pick on 3 here. Im sorry you don't read this the same way practically every trans person whose read that quote (including where I got it from) reads that. You seem to have a problem with other people having readings different from yours, considering you keep saying people don't just understand media who differ in opinion to you. Stormgale posted:Shall I go on?
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Necrothatcher posted:Since TLOU2 came out I've listened to a few podcasts with Druckmann in it and he didn't come across as an rear end in a top hat. I don't think any of the stuff you posted changes my mind - and I'd probably respond in the same way too if I was in the crosshairs of a chud hate machine. But he's not responding to chuds there. Especially funny to suggest that about Schreier considering his reporting on the brutal working conditions on the game's development: https://kotaku.com/as-naughty-dog-crunches-on-the-last-of-us-ii-developer-1842289962 There's this massive disconnect between what NG wants the TLoU2 to be and how they want it to be treated. On the one hand, they clearly want it to be seen as a finely crafted story-driven game that explores deep themes and tells a very emotionally impactful story. On the other hand, Druchmann shits on people trying to give a more balanced artistic critique that falls short of "TLoU2 is like Schindler's List" in praise, and others shut down attempts at offering critiques by just lumping reactions into the "chud" pile. With the limitations placed on reviews, it's clear that the preference there was for reviews for be product reviews as much as possible. They can't have it both ways. Take artistic risks in your story, yes, but to then attempt to discredit sub 10/10 critiques of it via censorship, poisoning the well, and gatekeeping comes across as hugely fragile.
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Jul 14, 2020 13:00
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Honestly, I'd be cheesed too if I had to read an apparently infinite number of idiot game journos completely missing the extremely obvious point of the game I just released (and that's leaving aside the ones who actively misrepresent it by claiming it's 100% misery from start to finish or get the basic plot wrong)
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Necrothatcher posted:Honestly, I'd be cheesed too if I had to read an apparently infinite number of idiot game journos completely missing the extremely obvious point of the game I just released (and that's leaving aside the ones who actively misrepresent it by claiming it's 100% misery from start to finish or get the basic plot wrong) Im sorry we live in a world where your reading is the only correct one and we are all idiots who cannot contemplate the masterpiece that is the last of us part 2, it cannot fail it can only be failed. Come on man this is loving horseshit and honestly I expected someone who could gladly say thatcher was dead would be better at media criticism than this.
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Stormgale posted:Im sorry we live in a world where your reading is the only correct one and we are all idiots who cannot contemplate the masterpiece that is the last of us part 2, it cannot fail it can only be failed. Come on man this is loving horseshit and honestly I expected someone who could gladly say thatcher was dead would be better at media criticism than this. you know what, it'll probably save time if you just write my posts for me in future. PM me them.
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1276570238125961216?s=20 this was the big one that came to my mind as far as dumb eye-roll inducing poo poo to say goes
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Looking at his twitter and seeing him praise anyone who likes the game and respond like a loving child to anyone who dislikes it is pretty telling, imo. Like i get that people not liking your work kinda sucks but you don't have to respond the way he does. It's a conscious choice and its a bad look.
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Jul 14, 2020 13:21
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Caesar Saladin posted:This is also the gayest game ever made so you have to give him some credit there. you don't, and it absolutely isn't
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Oxxidation posted:we don't and it absolutely isn't its the gayest real game, i'm not counting lame rear end visual novels or whatever
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It feels weird to take:Stormgale posted:"I'm gonna take advice from trans people and then ignore it because i'm just writing a character" much credit. from Neil posted:We have actually quite a few transgender people on the team that we were constantly talking with, we read a lot of books, we watched interviews, we brought a consultant in to walk us through a lot of that stuff. And then, once we had filled our mind with that stuff, it's like OK, now we have to forget all that and just treat it like a character, like another person in the world. It feels like your invalidating all the trans artists who contributed to the story because they wanted to tell a story about a trans person’s painful journey for acceptance and freedom and that wasn’t what you wanted. I take your point that having a trans character’s transition destroy their lives and kill their family feels excessive but so does literally everything else in this game. I think it also bears mentioning that as far as representation goes, Lev is skilled, capable, compassionate, and shown to demonstrate incredible strength of will and temperance throughout the game. They are a GOOD character, and for many people will be their first trans character in a AAA game. Isn’t Lev a great role model for them? A compassionate and caring warrior, wise beyond his years, who understands that at some point the violence has to end if life is to go on? Lev is the only reason JJ and Dina leave Seattle alive. I understand the need for representation, I do, but no character will ever be perfectly represented, IMO.
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Bust Rodd posted:It feels weird to take: It's how I read the line, i'm sorry I take "We're going to put this feedback to one side when writing the character" at it's word and that I personally believe that is a bad thing to do. Again, And I need to stress this. The narrative taken as a story on it's own is fine, the world scusk so Lev suffers. However this game exists in a wider media culture, where the only trans stories that get to be told are those involving our suffering. Lev is a fine character, but in my opinion until the breadth of trans characters can range from Doom marine, to comedic sidekick, to happy slice of life adventure, stop tipping the scale into "Trans characters are their pain". Why can people not look up to a trans character who is literally Samus aran, or a wise swordsman who teaches the fantasy protagonist how to fight the dark lord. When those stories are being told then I'll stop criticisng people for dark and suffering based trans narratives. Edit: Also I sitll think even as written Lev's story has issues, the game does a very good job of having abby respect him not wanting to talk about the whole backstory, then his sister does it behind his back. That is an unecessarially lovely thing to do from a character who we are supposed to like and empathise with, and isn't painted as a bad thing. Stormgale fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Lmao gently caress off
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