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Jeoh posted:don't sign your posts don't post
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Jul 12, 2020 19:24
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stephenthinkpad posted:Who is "we"? US? You know the trade war has been fought for the entire year of last year right? Trade policy is no longer an effective tool America (or any country) has leverage over China. lol
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Jul 12, 2020 19:30
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:His criticisms on internal party rot and career bureaucracy are fine but I disagree with point 8. There he describes a Chinese populace that is fed up and has reached a breaking point. That's very contrary to what I've observed. The Chinese economy has been stagnating since 2015 due to tapping out their economic growth model, but the problem is this is happening when China's per capital GDP is still quite low. For comparison, China's per capita GDP is about 1/4 of Japan's per capita GDP when Japan's economic bubble burst in 1989 and their economy began to stagnate. The economic hit from Trump's trade war and the COVID-19 slowdown have created convenient excuses for the Chinese leadership to explain why the Chinese economy hasn't been doing great, but the economic problems pre-date the Trump administration. You can already see the Chinese middle-class worry about their fate. They have to worry about saving up for a house due to the real-estate bubble, sending their kids to cram schools or tutors, taking care of their parents because the social welfare system is broken, saving up for health care emergencies because the national healthcare system is dysfunctional, etc. In many ways, it's a replication of the economic problems that plague the other East Asian countries (think Japan or South Korea), except it's happening when Chinese household income is much, much lower. If things just stay the way they are, it conceivable that resentment will build up and boil over into something worse, especially since the CCP has been stoking up nationalistic fervor. Maybe it won't be a popular revolt, but I could definitely see an internal party coup that uses popular sentiment to take over, since that's what Mao pretty much did in the Cultural Revolution.
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Jul 12, 2020 20:22
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And we all know how well that went.
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Jul 12, 2020 20:25
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Devils Affricate posted:China may have won this round but let us not forget that Korea is the undefeated champion of the Alphabet Olympics Is the claim about Korean being a language isolate actually true? I see the claim on the internet occasionally, but to my non-linguist brain it seems extremely suspect since language isolates seem to generally be spoken by a few thousand people in remote areas.
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Jul 12, 2020 21:46
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It's debated. As you can imagine there's a lot of nationalist nonsense mixed up in the idea of Korean being a unique special snowflake language. It is very very similar to Japanese, but I've read stuff from linguists that I don't really understand but they assure me the two languages are not related, they're convergent evolution from being in such close contact for so long.
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Jul 12, 2020 21:51
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Ancient Koreans were so insecure about their national identity that they invented an entirely new language and all started speaking it just to distinguish themselves from China and Japan
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Jul 13, 2020 00:32
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Devils Affricate posted:Ancient Koreans were so insecure about their national identity that they invented an entirely new language and all started speaking it just to distinguish themselves from China and Japan and yet their word for halfass job still sounds phonetically similar to cha bu duo
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Jul 13, 2020 00:42
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The White Dragon posted:and yet their word for halfass job still sounds phonetically similar to cha bu duo They must have half-assed that one.
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Jul 13, 2020 01:28
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stephenthinkpad posted:Who is "we"? US? You know the trade war has been fought for the entire year of last year right? Trade policy is no longer an effective tool America (or any country) has leverage over China. source your quotes
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ded posted:source your quotes https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2020/06/24/WEOUpdateJune2020 
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Jul 13, 2020 11:29
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I can't find a better tween, but China announced they put 4 US officials on their own sanction list too. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1282590038086365185?s=20 You guys know this "I san-san-sanction you!" "No your mom!" sanction tango is bullshit right? They don't actually do anything except to make thew news round. While UK and Australia actually offer HKer VISA/migration path the Trump admin and Tsai Eng-Wen talk up a good game but don't actually do anything. Tsai Eng-Wen is especially guilty because she doesn't have an election to worry about. As for Trump, why do you think Pompeo went to Hawaii and had a secret meeting with whatshisname Xi dada envoy. Obviously to handshake on the promise that if US don't impose actual financial sanction on HK and China will continue buying agricultural product from Trump's voters. Look forward to more bullshit sanction tango from both sides before November.
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Jul 13, 2020 12:22
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:Referring to the IMF projection: So you are saying its time China was moved up to the big boys table and stop playing behind developing nation rules?
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Jul 13, 2020 12:59
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Fumble posted:So you are saying its time China was moved up to the big boys table and stop playing behind developing nation rules? lol as if
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Fumble posted:So you are saying its time China was moved up to the big boys table and stop playing behind developing nation rules? Nah China is very good at having its 饼 and eating it too
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Jul 13, 2020 13:51
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:Referring to the IMF projection: Isn’t that 6.1 percent in 2019 the growth they report every year that nobody actually believes?
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Jul 13, 2020 14:07
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Isn’t that 6.1 percent in 2019 the growth they report every year that nobody actually believes? It's also somewhat unlikely that China will be the only country in the entire world that didn't suffer a contraction in 2020. In fact, I'm not even sure that's possible given how import/export dependent they are relative to other countries. I believe it will be reported though.
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Jul 13, 2020 15:08
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CIGNX posted:In many ways, it's a replication of the economic problems that plague the other East Asian countries (think Japan or South Korea), except it's happening when Chinese household income is much, much lower. If things just stay the way they are, it conceivable that resentment will build up and boil over into something worse, especially since the CCP has been stoking up nationalistic fervor. Maybe it won't be a popular revolt, but I could definitely see an internal party coup that uses popular sentiment to take over, since that's what Mao pretty much did in the Cultural Revolution. Xi has done a pretty thorough job of weeding the political landscape in China of anyone who could potentially cause a faction to form around them (Mao was lazy, allowed people to amass popularity, and there were still war heroes in his party who could coast on propaganda stories. Xi doesn't have any of those issues). He's also apparently made it so that good performance and diligent work isn't reported in a manner that would allow someone to make a name for themself, only failure. This way he takes all of the good credit, and offloads all the bad. If something can't be blamed on an external cause (US, Japan, etc.) it will land in someone's lap that doesn't affect him, or helps him. He's also made removing someone who might later challenge him a streamlined process with his anti-corruption office (basically his SS). Xi's "night of the long knives" has been over for a long time, and his consolidation of power was essentially finished when he removed term limits or before that when he rooted out the last of Jiang's loyalists in the military. If/when China's economy starts to tank in a manner that does adversely affect the populace, you're going to have to reach a point where people (en mass) believe that their futures have been stolen before you could even remotely consider a popular uprising possible. We're talking a massive backtracking of standards of living and a nearly total end to social mobility. Once people start losing things, and it no longer looks like even school is an option for a better life, then maybe someone might have a chance to dethrone Xi. Anything less than that and Xi will still be able to deflect and make use of scapegoats. As the economy starts to tank, expect to see jingoistic rhetoric, border skirmishes, and more draconian censorship increase.
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Blistex posted:Xi has done a pretty thorough job of weeding the political landscape in China of anyone who could potentially cause a faction to form around them (Mao was lazy, allowed people to amass popularity, and there were still war heroes in his party who could coast on propaganda stories. Xi doesn't have any of those issues). He's also apparently made it so that good performance and diligent work isn't reported in a manner that would allow someone to make a name for themself, only failure. This way he takes all of the good credit, and offloads all the bad. If something can't be blamed on an external cause (US, Japan, etc.) it will land in someone's lap that doesn't affect him, or helps him. He's also made removing someone who might later challenge him a streamlined process with his anti-corruption office (basically his SS). Xi's "night of the long knives" has been over for a long time, and his consolidation of power was essentially finished when he removed term limits or before that when he rooted out the last of Jiang's loyalists in the military. Xi is almost 70 years old. While he may have the mandate of Heaven in China, I really have to wonder what will happen when he's gone now that power has been so consolidated.
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Jul 13, 2020 19:38
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The junk collector posted:Xi is almost 70 years old. While he may have the mandate of Heaven in China, I really have to wonder what will happen when he's gone now that power has been so consolidated. xi's uploaded consciousness is hacked by the Hong Kong Cyberliberation Army and his brain is trapped in an infinite loop thinking cáo ní mǎ on repeat cha bu duo brain upload
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Jul 13, 2020 20:45
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:Referring to the IMF projection: Literally nobody on the ground believes Chinese GDP figures at this point and the fact that the IMF et al keep on reporting them is embarrassing theater, much like everyone pretending Taiwan isn't an independent country.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:22
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stephenthinkpad posted:I can't find a better tween, but China announced they put 4 US officials on their own sanction list too. lol thats adorable
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Jul 13, 2020 21:28
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The junk collector posted:Xi is almost 70 years old. While he may have the mandate of Heaven in China, I really have to wonder what will happen when he's gone now that power has been so consolidated. He'll have someone lined up to take over after him (likely someone we've never heard of since he wouldn't want them to attempt to take over before he's ready), one of his trusted cronies who can easily take the reigns of the apparatus that allows him to keep everyone else subservient. Xi's death (especially if it was unexpected) would be the most ideal moment for another faction to take over, but I'm under the impression that he's purged and structured the government in such a way that there isn't anyone left with an ounce of power, clout or a clique large enough to attempt that. Then again, maybe he doesn't care about a power vacuum after he dies and pulls a "Return of the Jedi" where everything falls apart the instant he's dead.
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I'm betting it's more a Revenge of the Sith situation, where Xi's successor has to slaughter a bunch of younglings hoping for a better future in order to get into power.
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China is just going to stop reporting deaths, period, including Xi's Infinite economic and demographic growth led by the Immortal Emperor, as reported by the IMF
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Published today https://www.state.gov/u-s-position-on-maritime-claims-in-the-south-china-sea/
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Regarding Taiwan and how it is perceived/treated by the rest of the world, (and even China itself). For all intents and purposes it is treated like a different country to China. Just not officially. There are different trade delegations that speak with Beijing and Taipei, Taiwanese companies face different rules and regulations in foreign markets than Chinese companies. etc. Their athletes compete under different flags in all international competitions. (Although not the Taiwanese flag, coz that would be a step too far.) Even in Mainland China, the flights to and from Taiwan, (and Hong Kong and Macau) fly out of the international section of the airport and require visas. It's all about the facade of recognition. It's all about the CCP to be able to pretend to itself, and noone else, that Taiwan, (and Hong Kong and Macau too I suppose), is China. Even while acting like it is not in all the important ways. Look at what they throw tantrums over, the tiniest pettiest things as opposed to anything important. Because it is not about treating Taiwan as part of China, or indeed making it as such. Because they know it isn't and never will be. It ia about the CCP being able to keep face, and pretend to themselves that it is.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Regarding Taiwan and how it is perceived/treated by the rest of the world, (and even China itself). If the Chinese government wants Taiwanese people to like the the best thing to do would be to let them be independent, then all the animosity would end and China could keep getting desperate young Taiwanese workers looking for better paydays.
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GoutPatrol posted:If the Chinese government wants Taiwanese people to like the the best thing to do would be to let them be independent, that would be an incalculable amount of face loss lmao
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Jul 14, 2020 00:24
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The amount of face lost would set China back to the stone age
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Jeoh posted:The amount of face lost would set China back to the stone age the claim must go on. 没办法
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Jeoh posted:The amount of face lost would set China back to the stone age "taiwan is an independent nation" says xi as his face transforms into homo erectus
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The White Dragon posted:"taiwan is an independent nation" says xi as his face transforms into homo erectus
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The junk collector posted:Published today hell yeah
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The White Dragon posted:and yet their word for halfass job still sounds phonetically similar to cha bu duo Wait, what's Korean for cha bu duo? I did not know they had their own version E: 충분 ("chungbun") lmao Thanks Google Teketeketeketeke fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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You know I'm beginning to think this new national security law in Hong Kong isn't about national security at all. https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/13/d...hong-kongs-lam/
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Rahu posted:You know I'm beginning to think this new national security law in Hong Kong isn't about national security at all. we have been saying this since..... 2008? when the talking point is about article 23 CCP rule by law, it is just a tool they would use to achieve their party's goal, nothing more, nothing less. to our friends from the west, and more importantly the tankies if they ever read this : seriously, wake da gently caress up.
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Not likely. "You see, the Chinese market has 420 Quadrillion consumers, 69 septillion of them are oct-trillionaires. . . so you see if only 0.01% of these people only spend a measly 2025 billion per 30 minutes on western products. . ."
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Hong Kong got owned. Taiwan is next after the collapse of America?
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