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Vic might be my least favorite part of DS9 and this is coming from someone who had a band playing almost exclusively Sinatra, Darin, Bennett, Martin, etc. at his wedding.
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Tangentially related to Star Trek. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-was-49-1303101 Grant Imahara died.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:10
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McSpanky posted:It's worse than that, they came up with this deadly serious Trill reassociation taboo and then threw it in the garbage with Ezri, she just dives right back into the beating heart of her last life and picks up where she left off like it ain't no thang. According to "Rejoined" both of them should be exiles from Trill society with no hope for the Dax symbiont to ever be passed on. Dead slug squirmin', we got a dead slug squirmin' here.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:21
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Also Ezri was a messed up situation due to an untrained host.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:27
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I always found the idea that revealing the truth about Joran would threaten the Symbionte Commission kinda goofy. "We need to conduct extensive tests to ensure a host is comparable with a symbionte." "Ahah, but we have proof that an untested host was able to bond with a symbionte, proving your rules are all lies!" "...he went crazy and killed three people after being bonded. If anything, he's proof that what we do is necessary."
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bull3964 posted:Tangentially related to Star Trek. aw that sucks, he seemed like a decent dude.
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Jul 14, 2020 05:49
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There's a difference between the commission and also what she probably should've personally believed and what people around her should've understood. It's kind of baffling to watch make that "mistake" with Worf and then In the literal finale watch her walk into what would appear to be a very similar mistake for the same reasons. also she's a loving therapist so you think she would've heard of a rebound
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Jul 14, 2020 06:35
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Like maybe if she were a professional gamer you would be like, yeah, I bet she's gonna keep making the same bad decisions literally for the entire rest of her life
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Jul 14, 2020 06:37
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Sash! posted:Vic might be my least favorite part of DS9 and this is coming from someone who had a band playing almost exclusively Sinatra, Darin, Bennett, Martin, etc. at his wedding. We all know Kai Winn is the worst part of DS9.
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Jul 14, 2020 06:38
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She rocks . she is good , and great
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Abner Assington posted:What the gently caress, pally? Shut your loving mouth Kai Winn is a fantastic villain The worst part of DS9 is Bashir sleeping with several of his patients, followed by a tie in second place of all of Kira's romances (yes, even Odo)
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Jul 14, 2020 06:47
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Kai Winn loving the best villain doesn't make her a good villain. And yeah, the Odo/Kira thing is pulled off in an amazingly awkward and unsatisfactory way. Vedek Bareil was more monotone than Ben Stein, and Shakaar was just... there? I don't know. At least he was Dracula in The Monster Squad--that's kind of cool.
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Admiralty Flag posted:The worst part of DS9 is Bashir sleeping with several of his patients, followed by a tie in second place of all of Kira's romances (yes, even Odo) weird way to spell ziyal
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Jul 14, 2020 06:52
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Talk about a character that has tons of potential to go a lot of really interesting directions, who is even a pretty compelling character all the way through "Return to Grace", who somehow the writers still have absolutely no idea what to do with so instead they panickingly apply 50 obnoxiously over-trod tropes until killing her off our of sheer apathy. great work everyone.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I'm watching the fan film made by that one guy that's like 3 hours long and he does all the voices, you may have seen clips of. Bad news for you: it's actually like 9 hours long iirc. It's a three-parter. I've never made it past the first half-hour or so I tuned out when the captain was chilling in his quarters while blaring the theme song for King of the Hill over the speakers It's definitely some kinda achievement given just how much setup would have had to go into it to produce that much material by a lone guy, but the entire thing is extremely weird and a lil bit creepy. And if you look at the other videos that guy has put up on Youtube, he seems to have a weird obsession with creating his own game show sets and opening themes or something.
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Abner Assington posted:Kai Winn loving the best villain doesn't make her a good villain. Pick posted:weird way to spell ziyal e: so how do the writers do such a great job with Kira outside her romances but fumble the job with so many other female characters (the criminal underuse of Jadzia, your point about Ziyal, Kai Opaka, etc.)? Admiralty Flag fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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I actually think you could've done a really interesting plot point about Bashir literally not understanding boundaries like that*; it makes it much weirder and much grosser that writers literally just don't seem to see it as a problem. Like it just does not seem to even occur to them that this would be a violation of professional ethics. I think it gets like one line in Chrysalis but I'd rather stab myself in the tits than watch that episode again. *early Bashir anyway. But it could have been a really interesting counterpoint to/"dark expression" of the idealism etc., and a great metaphor for when the Federation barrels into something that's complex and becomes highly problematic based on the inherent power differential. like how weird is it that picard is trying to get it on with anij in Insurrection when he sort of holds the fate of her entire community in his hands. Pick fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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I wonder how much of it is just creative laziness/bankruptcy. Like it's easy enough to imagine that their thought process was "we want to do a Bashir romance -> Bashir is the doctor character -> the story needs to relate to him being a doctor somehow -> she's a patient!  " when instead they could have taken the opportunity to explore/create other dimensions of his character.
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Pick posted:I actually think you could've done a really interesting plot point about Bashir literally not understanding boundaries like that; it makes it much weirder and much grosser that writers literally just don't seem to see it as a problem. Like it just does not seem to even occur to them that this would be a violation of professional ethics. Yeah, I think it has to do with writer laziness and tired television tropes. People meet romantic interests at work all the time, right? Why wouldn't doctors or lawyers, e.g., do so with patients and clients? Or, "Hey, we've got this script about this low-gravity Starfleet officer and Bashir helps her adjust, but it's 10 minutes light and I can't figure out how to beef up the Quark smuggling B plot to fill the time." -- "Just have Bashir fall in love with her as he gets to know her."
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I wonder how much of it is just creative laziness/bankruptcy. Like it's easy enough to imagine that their thought process was "we want to do a Bashir romance -> Bashir is the doctor character -> the story needs to relate to him being a doctor somehow -> she's a patient! at least we got The Wire
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bull3964 posted:Apparently Bruce Botnick let slip he's working on a new Atmos mix for Star Trek: TMP. That lines up with rumors that the Director's Cut is being worked on for a UHD release.
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Jul 14, 2020 07:42
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Star Trek has always been extremely consistent that the future still includes widely accepted sexual harassment of women. This isn't terribly surprising, considering it was made by the people doing sexual harassment.
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it's progressive actually because in the future women are all 100% completely sexually at liberty to gently caress me specifically
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McSpanky posted:It's worse than that, they came up with this deadly serious Trill reassociation taboo and then threw it in the garbage with Ezri, she just dives right back into the beating heart of her last life and picks up where she left off like it ain't no thang. According to "Rejoined" both of them should be exiles from Trill society with no hope for the Dax symbiont to ever be passed on. Dead slug squirmin', we got a dead slug squirmin' here. The taboo is for joined trill to get back together, not trill to get with anyone else.
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mossyfisk posted:Star Trek has always been extremely consistent that the future still includes widely accepted sexual harassment of women. The worst part for me about Ezri and Bashir getting together is that they have such a good moment at first where he's back to being the playboy and she says to him "please stop, Jadzia knew how to handle you but your weird sexual advances make me very uncomfortable." Good! You tell him! Don't just laugh it off like Jadzia did! Oh except you're actually into him. 
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Also I'm going through a watch of TNG finally and I think my favourite part about every episode is Riker's constant  face in the background of every single scene.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:aw that sucks, he seemed like a decent dude. He gave us Geoff Peterson. He's beyond decent.
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8one6 posted:Are the Culture books any good? All of the descriptions of the series read like "What if starships could cast wish" They are written by a guy whose day job was Real Literature so while they are solid science fiction they tend to make for challenging reading. Weird narrative structures, ambiguous protagonists, and abrupt shifts in setting are de rigueur. Player of Games and Excession are good entry into the collection. It's not a series in any sense except that each book is set chronologically after the first. I think Look to Windward is 1300 years or so after Consider Phlebas. Excession, Matter, and Surface Detail are probably my favorites. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Culture knowledge quiz: Dziet Sma is A) a Contact operative B) a furry C) a combat cyborg D) a bored dilettante playing at imperialism E) all of the above
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Ran across this in the Toxin Crew thread in 'yob and almost immediately thought of Odo: https://youtu.be/t-LTWFnGmeg FE: Well, of Changelings in general I guess. Odo would never be that good at this.
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"Preemptive Strike" is such a weird choice for the penultimate episode of TNG. I assume it wasn't really a "choice" per se, but just a script they had lying around and ended up only being able to produce at that moment. The only way it ends up making sense in that slot is to ease you into DS9 by starting to portray non-Federation perspectives as being valid (in more than just a "let's try to accommodate the foreigners" way). I'm not dumping on it, it's a fine episode, but to a modern viewer it feels weird that that's the one right before the finale. It would've made sense to switch places with "Emergence" since that one features basically the whole crew, and also doesn't practically make them villains.
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Preemptive Strike, along with Journey’s End, were the episodes meant to catch us up to speed on the Maquis, who were definitely going to be a massive plot point in the cool new upcoming series Star Trek: Voyager. DS9 was already wrapping up its second season when that aired.
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I actually live how "Preemptive Strike" dovetails into "All Good Things..." It does a good job of showing you that Picard still has this potential to become a bitter old man. Pick posted:I actually like what I think is the initially-conceived Bashir/Jadzia arc, where at first he's just horny for her but grows to befriend her as a person and understand her as an actual identity, but once she dies and becomes Ezri I really feel like the potential of that arc is gone and it's creepy to try to recapture it with Ezri. Really creepy. Because it's like a complete 180 from what the point would have been if he ended up with Jadzia at that point! It's also annoying because Jadzia has these pretty strong platonic relationships with Sisko and even Kira. But their trauma over her death gets short shifted for the dudes who want to bang her. Dorn at least plays it with nuance although I didn't care for her hooking up with him. There seemed something paternal about how he viewed her at first. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Picard should have wiped out the Maquis when he had the chance
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Arglebargle III posted:Culture knowledge quiz: Gesundheit I think I'm in a minority but Look to Windward is my favorite. Surface Detail is close but is, to quote everyone who talks about it, uncomfortably hosed up.
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Look to Windward might be the best-written culture book but it's positively glacial in pace. It's a leisurely stroll through a thriller plot. Which I suppose fits its 800 pound protagonist.
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Arglebargle III posted:Culture knowledge quiz: I prefer Sma Zero.
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I’ve read Player of Games, which I enjoyed a lot, and I’ve started Use of Weapons about 5 times.
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HD DAD posted:DS9 was already wrapping up its second season when that aired. Oh I know, but I'm sure there were people who didn't bother with it until TNG was done and they needed another fix.
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